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[IndigoWolfe]

Oh, hey Andro! I was reading The End Of The Beginning today. It's good and I'm enjoying it, but I do have a couple issues with it, which I can offer critique on, if you want.

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

Could Liara even truly "retire" from the role of the SB without it involving her death? I know she could give Feron the reins over the network but I don't think he's truly qualified to run it forever (althrough I wish he were), and if she gave to it some random agent(s). They might become paranoid and thinks she's a security risk because she knows the real idientity of the SB.

My point is. Wouldn't the fact that she's the SB endanger her for the rest of her life? Sure she could give Feron the reins and ask him to find a succsesor, but that would put his life in danger (which I don't think she would like).

A very good point. Like I said; it's the subject most open to discussion.

Liara is going to naturally live significantely longer than Feron. However, I do think that Liara would be better at picking her new top agents than you're giving her credit for. She would pick people she trusts.

But I will have to agree with you that I don't think that Liara could ever entirely retire from the role of the Shadow Broker. It's who she is now. I'm not sure if it would actively endanger her for the rest of her life. And there would be ways she could bring her organization and network into a more public light. For instance, if she were to use her influence to build a multi-faceted organization with its own security forces (SB's Private Army) and econimical pursuits (such as partnering and buying out companies that were heavily involved with the Shadow Broker's information network), that could put her in a position to comfortably remain in the public eye whilst masking her identity as the Shadow Broker and her information network.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Could Liara even truly "retire" from the role of the SB without it involving her death? I know she could give Feron the reins over the network but I don't think he's truly qualified to run it forever (althrough I wish he were), and if she gave to it some random agent(s). They might become paranoid and thinks she's a security risk because she knows the real idientity of the SB.

My point is. Wouldn't the fact that she's the SB endanger her for the rest of her life? Sure she could give Feron the reins and ask him to find a succsesor, but that would put his life in danger (which I don't think she would like).

A very good point. Like I said; it's the subject most open to discussion.

Liara is going to naturally live significantely longer than Feron. However, I do think that Liara would be better at picking her new top agents than you're giving her credit for. She would pick people she trusts.

But I will have to agree with you that I don't think that Liara could ever entirely retire from the role of the Shadow Broker. It's who she is now. I'm not sure if it would actively endanger her for the rest of her life. And there would be ways she could bring her organization and network into a more public light. For instance, if she were to use her influence to build a multi-faceted organization with its own security forces (SB's Private Army) and econimical pursuits (such as partnering and buying out companies that were heavily involved with the Shadow Broker's information network), that could put her in a position to comfortably remain in the public eye whilst masking her identity as the Shadow Broker and her information network.

Almost forgot that there are other character outside the cast we meet! Liara could befriend someone she thinks is trustworthy enough not to become all power-crazy and endanger her life. And perhaps you're right, that Liara will always be in the information buisness, or atleast stay in contact with it. But I still think that once she becomes older, she will get into politics and make some suggest some sweeping reforms, without getting laughed at like her "father".

And speaking about being in danger for the rest of your life. Perhaps certain Shepard's will never truly escape Cerberus? That would be totally disastrous.

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

And speaking about being in danger for the rest of your life. Perhaps certain Shepard's will never truly escape Cerberus? That would be totally disastrous.

I have ideas for what Bioware will do in relations to Shepard's involvement with Cerberus, but that's off topic for this thread.

[pf17456]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

I have no doubts she could do it now... but I also believe she's too intelligent to have kids now considering what is going on.

Also... considering what Cerberus did to Shepard to bring him/her back... I can see him living quite a bit longer than normal. At least more than Miranda and at least, and that's half again as long as the normal humn. So 200-300 year range.

I spent a couple of hours reading your fanfic last night. On the whole I found it very engaging ( read through a couple of chapters and skimmed through the rest) I can agree with your initial self assessment. You write very well and I'm interested in reading how all of the story lines you created turn out, all of which were quite creative and well thought out. You are a talented author

[ValerioN7]

chris025657 wrote...

ValerioN7 wrote...

Surely, they won't try to have children while they're fighting the Reapers, Liara clearly says that. But once everything is over, there are no problems. Yes, probably Shepard won't be able to see the children at 100+ age, when they will be like Liara, but we still aren't sure how long Shepard will live.

What about Liara being the Shadow Broker though? Do you think that she should perhaps leave that job to raise children? Would she even want to have do that given that she called it her dream job? 

She never said that she will be the Shadow Broker forever. Her only goal is to help Shepard against the Reapers, and when all will be over i think that she will just leave that work, yes it's the work she ever dreamed, but i really doubt that Liara will resist for years into a ship working almost every day and every hour. Between remaining the Shadow Broker and having children with Shepard i'm sure she will pick the second choice.

But i can't see any problem if she remains the Shadow Broker, maybe with Feron phisically remaining aboard the SB ship and Liara with Shepard. She only needs some computers and maybe an AI. But also if she wasn't the Shadow Broker... marrying with Shepard means marrying with the man who defeated the Reapers, the first human spectre, an hero known all over the galaxy. It's unlilkely that they will ever be able to live a completely "normal" life, even if Liara won't be the Shadow Broker anymore.

But is that really bad? We are talking about Liara and Shepard's child, she will surely be the youngest and strongest spectre ever

pf17456 wrote...

Given
what we already know of Liara I think she would embrace motherhood with
all the caring , knowledge and devotion she's got. She'd make an
excellent mom, no question. Yes I think she's ready but the Reaper
threat would need to first be resolved and it would be nice if she and
Shepard had some 'alone time' since they've just recently reunited. As
far as her SB role is concerned I think Liara is well capable of setting
her priorities

^This

[IndigoWolfe]

ValerioN7 wrote...

But is that really bad? We are talking about Liara and Shepard's child, she will surely be the youngest and strongest spectre ever

Are you kidding me? It would be twins! The first sibling pair ever to be inducted into the Spectres!

No wait, twins are terribly over done. *hits self*

Aw heck,

[almostinsane]

I think any child of Shepard's would be an incredible person and if she's an Asari, well I don't think it was a coincidence that Liara is the only Asari you can romance. Think about it: Shepard's skills, Asari biotics and life-span: At the very least the Council, the Alliance, Cerberus, and at least one Asari group will be after her. I believe Shepard and Liara will have to do something to protect their child from the politics and groups after the "perfect" soldier or biotic.



No wonder Liara was given such a powerful position and resources.

[drwells123]

jtav wrote...

The second chapter of Persistence of Memory is up for those interested.

Summary: Liara has information critical to restoring Shepard. Miranda will do anything to get it. She'll even teach Liara how not to get killed. Facing her own past-and her attraction to Liara-was never part of the bargain. (Miranda/Liara)

Great work. It's clear you've put a lot of thought into how to these characters work, and the attraction between them comes across as organic and not forced. Liara makes a nice choice of a scene to flash back to

[drwells123]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Chapter Four of my fanfic is up if anyone is interested.

Sadly I've been so busy lately that I'm still back on Chapter 1, but it's great to read such a good portrayal of the opening and closing of the emotional rift between Shepard and Liara. Definitely looking forward to the rest.

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almostinsane wrote...

I think any child of Shepard's would be an incredible person and if she's an Asari, well I don't think it was a coincidence that Liara is the only Asari you can romance. Think about it: Shepard's skills, Asari biotics and life-span: At the very least the Council, the Alliance, Cerberus, and at least one Asari group will be after her. I believe Shepard and Liara will have to do something to protect their child from the politics and groups after the "perfect" soldier or biotic.

No wonder Liara was given such a powerful position and resources.

True, if you think what Liara and Shepard gone through and accomplished cheated death, saved the council, killed the Shadow broker and Shepard destroyed the collectors (their daughter would be the ultimate asari).

[drwells123]

almostinsane wrote...

I think any child of Shepard's would be an incredible person and if she's an Asari, well I don't think it was a coincidence that Liara is the only Asari you can romance. Think about it: Shepard's skills, Asari biotics and life-span: At the very least the Council, the Alliance, Cerberus, and at least one Asari group will be after her. I believe Shepard and Liara will have to do something to protect their child from the politics and groups after the "perfect" soldier or biotic.

No wonder Liara was given such a powerful position and resources.

"Have you any conception of what you've created here? Do you have any idea what this... this Hybrid is capable of?!"

"Of course I do. This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history!"

"All I behold is an abomination."

"Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things. You can destroy all of the specimens here. It will do you no good. For I have seeded the Hybrid on many, many worlds. You will never find them all before they awaken... And when they do... your universe will be changed... forever."

[pf17456]

almostinsane wrote...

I think any child of Shepard's would be an incredible person and if she's an Asari, well I don't think it was a coincidence that Liara is the only Asari you can romance. Think about it: Shepard's skills, Asari biotics and life-span: At the very least the Council, the Alliance, Cerberus, and at least one Asari group will be after her. I believe Shepard and Liara will have to do something to protect their child from the politics and groups after the "perfect" soldier or biotic.

No wonder Liara was given such a powerful position and resources.

Hmmmmmm........Reconsiders the term Asari Commando.......Considers several Blue Babies........Wonders about post ME3

[Pwnisher]

Liara + Shepard = Awesome kids!

[AlexMBrennan]

I think it is interesting that you got such an unanimous response to the kids question.

I am not in a position to comment on the issue myself though.

[IndigoWolfe]

almostinsane wrote...

I think any child of Shepard's would be an incredible person and if she's an Asari, well I don't think it was a coincidence that Liara is the only Asari you can romance. Think about it: Shepard's skills, Asari biotics and life-span: At the very least the Council, the Alliance, Cerberus, and at least one Asari group will be after her. I believe Shepard and Liara will have to do something to protect their child from the politics and groups after the "perfect" soldier or biotic.

No wonder Liara was given such a powerful position and resources.

You've raised an interesting point here, any child of Shepards --with Liara or otherwise-- would have a lot of expectation predictably put upon her by those familiar with the reputation surrounding both her parents.

This is close to what Liara had to deal with growing up, and this makes me wonder, should she reflect her mother, if she would be interested in pursuing a career in the armed forces at all. "All children rebel against their parents" and all.

However, one thing that Shepard and Liara's child would have growing up that Liara didn't is Shepard. I think it's possible that had Aethyta been involved in Liara's childhood, she would have been more open to following in her mother's footsteps.

I have further thoughts on this, which I shall elaborate on in a seperate post.

[IndigoWolfe]

I think that had Aethyta been involved in Liara's life while she was growing up, Liara would have taken a different path in her life, both career and character wise.

Here's why; when Benezia was raising Liara, she did not talk about her daughter's pureblood heritage. And most likely, Liara had to deal with ridicule from asari her age either to her face, or as I suspect; behind her back. Which is probably worse. To help her escape from this --in addition to other reasons--  she focused herself on her studies of the Protheans, leading to her continued disinterest in becoming involved with the commandos or politics.

I think, that had Aethyta been in an active role while Liara had been growing up, she would have tought her daughter not to take crap from anyone about her asari parentage. Liberal applications of kicks in the quad and the like. I think she would have encouraged Liara to be the best she could be in the public eye if only to spite those who looked down on her. I can also imagine Liara being interested in becoming an asari commando, after surely listening to Aethyta's stories of her own mother and her father's Battlemaster days and being enthralled by them, much like she was enthralled by the legends of the Protheans.

I think this would have led her into the asari commandos. She would most likely be far younger than the usual asari who enters service, and would probably have to deal with her peers and superiors not taking her seriously. Similar to her academic career in that way.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

almostinsane wrote...

I think any child of Shepard's would be an incredible person and if she's an Asari, well I don't think it was a coincidence that Liara is the only Asari you can romance. Think about it: Shepard's skills, Asari biotics and life-span: At the very least the Council, the Alliance, Cerberus, and at least one Asari group will be after her. I believe Shepard and Liara will have to do something to protect their child from the politics and groups after the "perfect" soldier or biotic.

No wonder Liara was given such a powerful position and resources.

With some proper training the child could become a powerful commando (since it seems like skills with biotics are inherited geneticly when it comes to asari), certainly alot of potential for a new kick-ass spectre.

Althrough I don't think anyone aside from Cerberus and perhaps some other shady black-ops the other species have (STG? nah, always seemed to deal more in intel) goverment have would be interested to kidnap their daughter.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think that had Aethyta been involved in Liara's life while she was growing up, Liara would have taken a different path in her life, both career and character wise.

Here's why; when Benezia was raising Liara, she did not talk about her daughter's pureblood heritage. And most likely, Liara had to deal with ridicule from asari her age either to her face, or as I suspect; behind her back. Which is probably worse. To help her escape from this --in addition to other reasons--  she focused herself on her studies of the Protheans, leading to her continued disinterest in becoming involved with the commandos or politics.

I think, that had Aethyta been in an active role while Liara had been growing up, she would have tought her daughter not to take crap from anyone about her asari parentage. Liberal applications of kicks in the quad and the like. I think she would have encouraged Liara to be the best she could be in the public eye if only to spite those who looked down on her. I can also imagine Liara being interested in becoming an asari commando, after surely listening to Aethyta's stories of her own mother and her father's Battlemaster days and being enthralled by them, much like she was enthralled by the legends of the Protheans.

I think this would have led her into the asari commandos. She would most likely be far younger than the usual asari who enters service, and would probably have to deal with her peers and superiors not taking her seriously. Similar to her academic career in that way.

If Aethyta was there to raise Liara then it seems plausible that Liara's life would have gone differently, Aethyta would proberly raise her with the attitude you said. Perhaps she would join the commandos, but it's hard for me to imagine meeting Liara any other way than than as the scientist we know and love.

And as cruel as it sounds. Aethyta not being around so Liara would become an expert in the protheans might have been for the better regarding the fate of the galaxy.

[almostinsane]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I think it is interesting that you got such an unanimous response to the kids question.
I am not in a position to comment on the issue myself though.

LOL. I thought as much.

[ValerioN7]

New contest on DeviantART: Drawing Liara's Children.

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[pacer90]

Shepard/Liara baby is actually the only thing that can defeat reapers. The 2 of them better get busy.

[IndigoWolfe]

It'll be like the Dark Ritual! Only more favorable!

[IndigoWolfe]

Although really, if there were a Dark Ritual-like scenario before the climax of ME3 (don't look at me like that) I'd actually feel a little bad for the non-Liaralovin' Shepards, but a keen sense of satisfaction at what the haters were faced with.

But that's the evil, vindictive me talking.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Although really, if there were a Dark Ritual-like scenario before the climax of ME3 (don't look at me like that) I'd actually feel a little bad for the non-Liaralovin' Shepards, but a keen sense of satisfaction at what the haters were faced with.

But that's the evil, vindictive me talking.

Dark ritual with Liara?

Wouldn't that make it a blue ritual?