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[almostinsane]

Hmm... Just been thinking about the translators in Mass Effect.



Liara: Shepard, what is your first name?



Shepard: Oh, it's Azure!

[IndigoWolfe]

almostinsane wrote...

Hmm... Just been thinking about the translators in Mass Effect.

Got me thinking;

Shepard: Come on, Liara! Is it wrong for me to be excited to have overcome incredible odds, and defeated an enemy that is not only evil, but annoyingly smug!

Liara: Well no, Commander, but--

Shepard: And doing it with such style!

Liara: Now I suspect it is my translator that is malfuctioning...


Ten million points to whoever gets the reference.

[onelifecrisis]

AAARRGH!



BioWare!? What. The. F*ck.



I just finished LotSB. I bought it based on recommendations here, despite my reservations (meeting Liara in ME2 was the lowpoint of the game). And to be fair the DLC was great, right up to the point where Liara... became the frickin Shadow Broker!? What the hell!? So now Shepard's only relationship option with Liara consits of the occasional booty call on that horrible ship in the middle of nowhere? At least I assume that's what happens if you pick the paragon dialogue options after she becomes the new SB, but by that point I was so annoyed I told her to go f*ck herself (well, as close to that as the dialogue tree would allow).



And presumably this means she will not be a team mate in ME3?



Argh. F*ck it. Looks like my Shepard will die single. He *IS* going to die at the end of ME3, of that I'm sure.

[onelifecrisis]

Ouch!

[jwalker]

onelifecrisis wrote...

AAARRGH!

BioWare!? What. The. F*ck.

I just finished LotSB. I bought it based on recommendations here, despite my reservations (meeting Liara in ME2 was the lowpoint of the game). And to be fair the DLC was great, right up to the point where Liara... became the frickin Shadow Broker!? What the hell!? So now Shepard's only relationship option with Liara consits of the occasional booty call on that horrible ship in the middle of nowhere? At least I assume that's what happens if you pick the paragon dialogue options after she becomes the new SB, but by that point I was so annoyed I told her to go f*ck herself (well, as close to that as the dialogue tree would allow).

And presumably this means she will not be a team mate in ME3?

Argh. F*ck it. Looks like my Shepard will die single. He *IS* going to die at the end of ME3, of that I'm sure.

No reason to freak out. Omega is nearby. Talk to Aria and do hookers there.
Liara will be better off.

[IndigoWolfe]

onelifecrisis wrote...

AAARRGH!

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[onelifecrisis]

Okay, alright, stop hitting me already! Sheesh.



I take it all back. Laira is awesome and everything about her is awesome.



(obviously I picked the wrong thread for posting in)

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, the LotSB ending is arguably not perfect - the dialogue isn't, and I'd argue that Liara won't hold the position of SB for very long (to be interpreted in the "Luke's father died" SW sense).

However, I admire your courage - I wouldn't exactly go *here* to "express my disappointment".

[onelifecrisis]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, the LotSB ending is arguably not perfect - the dialogue isn't, and I'd argue that Liara won't hold the position of SB for very long (to be interpreted in the "Luke's father died" SW sense).
However, I admire your courage - I wouldn't exactly go *here* to "express my disappointment".

I'm afraid it was foolishness, rather than courage. I thought that a Liara thread would be the right place to discuss, well, Liara stuff. My bad.

I watched SW plenty of times back when... well, a while ago... but I don't get what you mean with the "Luke's father died" comment about Liara being the SB.

[bjdbwea]

No video game (or DLC) can be perfect. But LotSB is in my opinion an improvement over the main game of ME 2 in virtually every way, including the dialogue.

As far as the ending of LotSB is concerned: It was never my favorite outcome that Liara would become the new Shadow Broker. And I would also have preferred if the rest of the story in ME 2 would have been very different (in short: an actual, proper continuation of ME 1). But it is like it is. And as far as salvaging Liara's story from the bad writing in the main game of ME 2, which was the most important thing that LotSB had to achieve, it did that job as good as one could realistically hope for.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[almostinsane]

onelifecrisis wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, the LotSB ending is arguably not perfect - the dialogue isn't, and I'd argue that Liara won't hold the position of SB for very long (to be interpreted in the "Luke's father died" SW sense).
However, I admire your courage - I wouldn't exactly go *here* to "express my disappointment".

I'm afraid it was foolishness, rather than courage. I thought that a Liara thread would be the right place to discuss, well, Liara stuff. My bad.

I watched SW plenty of times back when... well, a while ago... but I don't get what you mean with the "Luke's father died" comment about Liara being the SB.

I thikn he/she means that Liara will eventually quit being the Shadow Broker.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

onelifecrisis wrote...

AAARRGH!

BioWare!? What. The. F*ck.

I just finished LotSB. I bought it based on recommendations here, despite my reservations (meeting Liara in ME2 was the lowpoint of the game). And to be fair the DLC was great, right up to the point where Liara... became the frickin Shadow Broker!? What the hell!? So now Shepard's only relationship option with Liara consits of the occasional booty call on that horrible ship in the middle of nowhere? At least I assume that's what happens if you pick the paragon dialogue options after she becomes the new SB, but by that point I was so annoyed I told her to go f*ck herself (well, as close to that as the dialogue tree would allow).

And presumably this means she will not be a team mate in ME3?

Argh. F*ck it. Looks like my Shepard will die single. He *IS* going to die at the end of ME3, of that I'm sure.

[onelifecrisis]

bjdbwea wrote...

No video game (or DLC) can be perfect. But LotSB is in my opinion an improvement over the main game of ME 2 in virtually every way, including the dialogue.

As far as the ending of LotSB is concerned: It was never my favorite outcome that Liara would become the new Shadow Broker. And I would also have preferred if the rest of the story in ME 2 would have been very different (in short: an actual, proper continuation of ME 1). But it is like it is. And as far as salvaging Liara's story from the bad writing in the main game of ME 2, which was the most important thing that LotSB had to achieve, it did that job as good as one could realistically hope for.

It was a good DLC overall, and as for salvaging Liara's ME2 appearance it did get off to a good start with Shepard making that comment about hacking terminals and obviously wondering what was going on with Liara and that Drell Ferum... Feros... whatever he's called... but Liara as the new SB? Bah. It just seems to me like they wanted to effectively write her out of the game. They've put her somewhere that she's happy so that they can leave her there and forget about her (save perhaps for a few of BW's infamous emails).

BTW, I've now seen the paragon options for continuing the romance with her and my initial assessment seems to have been bang on: she's just a booty call. Nice one BW. 

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LOTSB is a bridging DLC, and Liara is the only squadmate who can't die in the series.

Put two and two together and you will see that there's a good chance Liara will have an important role in ME3.

Wether or not it will be as a squadmate or NPC is yet to be known. But let's pray for the former.

[onelifecrisis]

Lizardviking wrote...

LOTSB is a bridging DLC, and Liara is the only squadmate who can't die in the series.

Put two and two together and you will see that there's a good chance Liara will have an important role in ME3.

Wether or not it will be as a squadmate or NPC is yet to be known. But let's pray for the former.

I'd say that being the SB is "an important role". It's also not something she can do from the Normandy.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

LOTSB is a bridging DLC, and Liara is the only squadmate who can't die in the series.

Put two and two together and you will see that there's a good chance Liara will have an important role in ME3.

Wether or not it will be as a squadmate or NPC is yet to be known. But let's pray for the former.

I'd say that being the SB is "an important role". It's also not something she can do from the Normandy.

There have been numerous theories on how Liara can become a squadmember in ME3. Have some good faith and re-load your save game!

[pacer90]

You deprived yourself of the best romance scene in the game, and by far the best situation looking forward to me3. Call it a booty call if you want, but its a lot less of one than any of the other lis in me2

[bjdbwea]

onelifecrisis wrote...

It was a good DLC overall, and as for salvaging Liara's ME2 appearance it did get off to a good start with Shepard making that comment about hacking terminals and obviously wondering what was going on with Liara and that Drell Ferum... Feros... whatever he's called... but Liara as the new SB? Bah. It just seems to me like they wanted to effectively write her out of the game. They've put her somewhere that she's happy so that they can leave her there and forget about her (save perhaps for a few of BW's infamous emails).

BTW, I've now seen the paragon options for continuing the romance with her and my initial assessment seems to have been bang on: she's just a booty call. Nice one BW. 

You are completely wrong about that. As far as the continuation of the romance is concerned, LotSB is arguably much better written than any of the ME 2 main game romances. It has depth, it portrays true romantic feelings from both Liara and Shepard, it is respectful of the characters, the dialogue feels much less like just a path to a "love scene". Shepard finally can act like a human.

As I said, I would have preferred if ME 2 would have been a proper continuation of ME 1, with the crew and everything else remaining more or less the same. I do not understand your disappointment about LotSB though. After the main game of ME 2, Liara's character and story were significantly damaged, the romance wasn't even mentioned. Exactly because the writers apparently didn't care about her, or perhaps just because the game had to be rushed out of the door too early. In any case, under the given circumstances, with the story in ME 2 being as it is, I think the team that developed LotSB did the best job that could realistically be hoped for.

We still do not know if and how her story and romance will continue in ME 3. I also think that unfortunately she will not be a companion in ME 3, but work for the most part of the game as the Shadow Broker, of course helping Shepard. But that does not mean that their relationship couldn't continue as well. I for one think that after LotSB, there can be much more hope for a proper continuation of and conclusion to the Liara romance than after the main game of ME 2.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:57 .

[onelifecrisis]

Lizardviking wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

LOTSB is a bridging DLC, and Liara is the only squadmate who can't die in the series.

Put two and two together and you will see that there's a good chance Liara will have an important role in ME3.

Wether or not it will be as a squadmate or NPC is yet to be known. But let's pray for the former.

I'd say that being the SB is "an important role". It's also not something she can do from the Normandy.

There have been numerous theories on how Liara can become a squadmember in ME3. Have some good faith and re-load your save game!

Faith? No, not now.

This is the series that killed off the main character just to resurrect him five minutes later, so I suppose anything is possible, but my gut feeling is not good. If this is a bridging DLC then that means they need Liara to be the SB in ME3, not a squad mate.

[almostinsane]

bjdbwea wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

It was a good DLC overall, and as for salvaging Liara's ME2 appearance it did get off to a good start with Shepard making that comment about hacking terminals and obviously wondering what was going on with Liara and that Drell Ferum... Feros... whatever he's called... but Liara as the new SB? Bah. It just seems to me like they wanted to effectively write her out of the game. They've put her somewhere that she's happy so that they can leave her there and forget about her (save perhaps for a few of BW's infamous emails).

BTW, I've now seen the paragon options for continuing the romance with her and my initial assessment seems to have been bang on: she's just a booty call. Nice one BW. 

You are completely wrong about that. As far as the continuation of the romance is concerned, LotSB is arguably much better written than any of the ME 2 main game romances. It has depth, it portrays true romantic feelings from both Liara and Shepard, it is respectful of the characters, the dialogue feels much less like just a path to a "love scene". Shepard finally can act like a human.

As I said, I would have preferred if ME 2 would have been a proper continuation of ME 1, with the crew and everything else remaining more or less the same. I do not understand your disappointment about LotSB though. After the main game of ME 2, Liara's character and story were significantly damaged, the romance wasn't even mentioned. Exactly because the writers apparently didn't care about her, or perhaps just because the game had to be rushed out of the door too early. In any case, under the given circumstances, with the story in ME 2 being as it is, I think the team that developed LotSB did the best job that could realistically be hoped for.

We still do not know if and how her story and romance will continue in ME 3. I also think that unfortunately she will not be a companion in ME 3, but work for the most part of the game as the Shadow Broker, of course helping Shepard. But that does not mean that their relationship couldn't continue as well. I for one think that after LotSB, there can be much more hope for a proper continuation of and conclusion to the Liara romance than after the main game of ME 2.

Not to mention being the Shadow Broker makes Liara Shepard's equal. She actually asks him how he's feeling the ship. That's more than any other LI in Mass Effect.

[onelifecrisis]

bjdbwea wrote...

You are completely wrong about that. As far as the continuation of the romance is concerned, LotSB is arguably much better written than any of the ME 2 main game romances. It has depth, it portrays true romantic feelings from both Liara and Shepard, it is respectful of the characters, the dialogue feels much less like just a path to a "love scene". Shepard finally can act like a human.

Only if you take the scene completely out of context. On it's own, yes it's all of the things you say. But in context it's garbage.

The opening scene of ME2 was months after ME1. Shep and romanced-Liara were together on the Normandy throughout that time, presumably developing their relationship.

ME3, in contrast, will kick off with Liara on her own on a ship in the middle of nowhere being very busy indeed. If Shep is in a relationship with her then it's a relationship that consists of the occasional booty call and not much else at all. Both characters know this during the romance scene in LotSB, which to my mind turns the whole scene into something of a farce.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 17 novembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

onelifecrisis wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

You are completely wrong about that. As far as the continuation of the romance is concerned, LotSB is arguably much better written than any of the ME 2 main game romances. It has depth, it portrays true romantic feelings from both Liara and Shepard, it is respectful of the characters, the dialogue feels much less like just a path to a "love scene". Shepard finally can act like a human.

Only if you take the scene completely out of context. On it's own, yes it's all of the things you say. But in context it's garbage.

The opening scene of ME2 was months after ME1. Shep and romanced-Liara were together on the Normandy throughout that time, presumably developing their relationship.

ME3, in contrast, will kick off with Liara on her own on a ship in the middle of nowhere being very busy indeed. If Shep is in a relationship with her then it's a relationship that consists of the occasional booty call and not much else at all. Both characters know this during the romance scene in LotSB, which to my mind turns the whole scene into something of a farce.

Both characters know that it's nothing more than a booty call?

Really??

"sigh"