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[JPfanner]

JaylaClark wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

An asari bondmate ceremony just seems like something very nice and considerate to do. I guess I'm tired of being Commander Shepard and ordering her around, slapping Liara in a white dress and hauling her off to the chapel just seems like an extension of that. Having your union recognized in a traditional asari manner seems to me like you're saying, "I'm not Commander Shepard to you, Liara. We're peers and partners from this time forward."
There's definitely some skewed power dynamics, I'd just like her to know that she's more important than anything else.

Makes sense -- tell you the truth, in my eyes, if there's one ceremony then either both Shep and LiLi would be wearing dresses or neither would be, just to emphasize the equality of the moment.
And if there are two?  Probably the same, with an option for my Shep wearing the dress for the asari ceremony and LiLi wearing it for the human ceremony.  (Whichever religion my non-agnostic Shep is, specifically.  I think she's a Unitarian or the like.)  Still, you have a very valid point, JP.

I think that any negative connotations associated with wearing a dress is an entirely human artifact in the Mass Effect universe.  The asari seem to default to wearing them whenever their job or situation allows, and asari dominate social trends and have been defining what women wear in the galactic scene for nearly three millenia.  Most of the human females you see in cosmopolitan areas wear dresses, even if they personally don't like them, like Gianna.
I guess the way I would see it, is that in an asari bondmate ceremony the participants could wear whatever they wanted and no one would read anything into that.  Asari have been becoming bondmates with aliens for nearly three millenia, so they've probably gotten used to diversity by now.  Still, I'd imagine the "default" would be dresses for females if only because of the general asari fondness for them.  And there would be nothing read into that, there aren't any "uniforms" for a bride or groom role.  You just have two people affirming themselves.

[AndroLeonidas]

General Stubbs wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

An asari bondmate ceremony just seems like something very nice and considerate to do. I guess I'm tired of being Commander Shepard and ordering her around, slapping Liara in a white dress and hauling her off to the chapel just seems like an extension of that. Having your union recognized in a traditional asari manner seems to me like you're saying, "I'm not Commander Shepard to you, Liara. We're peers and partners from this time forward."
There's definitely some skewed power dynamics, I'd just like her to know that she's more important than anything else.

Makes sense -- tell you the truth, in my eyes, if there's one ceremony then either both Shep and LiLi would be wearing dresses or neither would be, just to emphasize the equality of the moment.
And if there are two?  Probably the same, with an option for my Shep wearing the dress for the asari ceremony and LiLi wearing it for the human ceremony.  (Whichever religion my non-agnostic Shep is, specifically.  I think she's a Unitarian or the like.)  Still, you have a very valid point, JP.

Yeah, it would be nice to see an Asari Bondmate ceremony.
I agree about the equality of the moment should be emphasized by what outfits they are wearing, it would be a lot different to see Shep in a dress. (She can get over it, it would be her special day).
I wonder if there would be a conversation about it? It would be cute.

Would be interesting to possibly have an Asari bondmate ceremony mixed with a bit of human marriage, it would show the love Shepard and Liara have for each other and the merging of two different species.

Do we know what said ceremony entails?

[Eddie-Hawke]

WilliamShatner wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What part of the game is that from?  I don't recognise the background.

I would guess Therum, in the elevator where the Krogan attacks you?

[JPfanner]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Do we know what said ceremony entails?

Nope. All we can do is extrapolate from asari social trends and then conjecture. Oh, and be all swoony each planning our own perfect Liara union.

[AndroLeonidas]

Well... since that is going to happen in my fic I guess I'll just have to play it by ear.



I started another playthrough of ME1... can't get enough of my Liara... and I've noticed some new dialogue that I don't remember being in the original game. I played it probably a hundred times in a hundred different ways. My old disc broke so I had to buy a new one and it seems there is different dialogue for some particular convos. Anyone else expereince this?



Also... Liara is looking wonderfully gorgeous as always. I had almost forgotten how gorgeous she is in the first game.

[JPfanner]

From what Liara says in ME1 asari relationships seem to be defined by the people involved in them by mutual consent. You have things like one night stands, casual sex partners, or committed relationships.

I get the impression that bondmate implies a long term relationship involving daughters from the other examples you see in the game. So I can see that playing into how the ceremony would be treated. There would not only be an affirmation between the two people of their love, but also that from them would spring a new generation of daughters.

It might also have an additional meaning for the asari partner(s) in that a long term relationship would emphasize the Matron qualities.

[jlb524]

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What part of the game is that from?  I don't recognise the background.

I would guess Therum, in the elevator where the Krogan attacks you?

That's right....Liara's working the elevator controls.  She looks worried. probably b/c the place is caving in

[Derumiel]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, I can't help but feel emotional when Shep stares deeply at the photo of Liara before the suicide mission. It's like he/she's vowing to come home alive, and not put Liara through all of the hell she endured the last time Shep died.

In my eyes that is one of the most emotional scenes in the game. I love that scene because it shows so well how Shepard feels and, as you said, it seems he/she swears to come back for her.

[Derumiel]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I also think it's especially poignant in how it harkens back to the pre-Ilos love scene with Liara. When Liara enters Sheps cabin and asks to speak with him/her, Shep says that he/she was just thinking about her. Flash forward to going through the Omega Relay, and Shep is once again alone in the cabin, and thinking about Liara again. This time, however, she's not going to walk through the door to be with Shepard, to be intimate and comforting with each other. I imagine that Liara is doing exactly the same on Illium, thinking about Shep and the person that she is fighting for. Sad.

Right. I didn't think of the pre-Ilos moment but yes, it truly is poignant. And to see the similiaritys makes it even more so. Although Liara and Shep can't unite.
But imagining both think of each other then is quite comforting.

General Stubbs wrote...
Now
Shep can fufill that promise in the Liara Expansion and help her with
her negative emotions.

He/She will definitly fulfill that promise. They will reunite in DLC or at least in ME3.
But thats just what I hope...

[JaylaClark]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I've just read Jayla's post from a few pages back, and I have to say I absolutely loved it! I did catch all of those conversations as being a nod towards those of us who romanced Liara, particularly the asari who gets emotional over her deceased human bondmate and Shep getting offended over the lifespan comment in the "Blue Rose of Illium" quest. Gah, can't wait until the DLC and ME3 to see what happens with Liara and Shep's relationship and romance!

Regarding a wedding/bondmate ceremony, I'm not really bothered if it's like a human marriage ceremony. I feel it would be wrong to force the old traditional Western wedding on Liara, and would only do it if she feels completely comfortable with it, and agrees to it. I'd love to see an asari bondmate ceremony scene in ME3, think that'd be so heartwarming and emotional. Can't wait to see where Shepard and Liara's relationship is going to go!!

Thanks a lot :happy:.  I've got to admit, despite the fact that the past two years have been one big BreakTheCutie moment for our LiLi, I can't help but feel like there's something great in store for her, just because it feels like everything but the central content is present already.  I don't know how awesome the DLC will be -- it depends on how much time they get -- but I almost expect ME3 to be "The Chronicles of Liara the Awesome", just so long as everyone is and stays on the same page... *crosses fingers, then toes, then eyes, then nose*

[Luke_Shepard]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I imagine that Liara is doing exactly the same on Illium, thinking about Shep and the person that she is fighting for. Sad.

I thought that too, i actually have the idea of a scene in my head that could have been played directly after the picture scene in Omega 4, it shows Liara in her office on Illium and she's starring at a picture of Shepard on her desk.  I also would have liked a scene when you leave Illium where it shows Liara looking out of her office window as the Normandy flys past in the distance.  Sad scene but would have been nice and another example of how much Liara loves Shep.

[OneBadAssMother]

I never liked Liara compared to Ashley. However, my wife loves her (rather interesting but let's not talk about that).



So I'll put in my vote on my wife's behalf.

[Slakky]

Shut yo mouf!

[JPfanner]

Does someone have a video link of the Omega 4 relay Liara scene with Femshep handy? Whenever I see it in game, my Femshep stands there staring blankly with no emtion and then just turns around abruptly. I know I've seen phrases like "looks at the picture and smiles" but I've never seen any of my Femsheps do that.