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[Yeled]

Totally agree with you, Andro. Its how you or I would deal with this whole issue. We see that, but are we the minority? Does anyone else besides this small group of Liara fans see this and if they do, do they care?



And if they did consider this an epic love story, then why give Liara the short thrift in ME2. It doesn't make sense.

[JPfanner]

Liara didn't romance every Shepard. The default non-import Shepard rejected her. Yet she still saves his carcass in the comics.

I'm not going to argue with people I've enjoyed discussing things, sharing ideas, and hearing their hopes on things. I don't think that will accomplish anything.

So I'll just say that the comics were not written for people that romanced Liara. And the DLC will be primarily focused on people that did not romance Liara, because it will be written for ME2, which was written for default non-import Shepard. If we're lucky (and I hope we are), we'll get a better pat on the back for romancing her than the apathetic slap in the face we got in ME2.

[Marcin K]

AndroLeonidas wrote...Whew! Too much writing for a Sunday! 

i suppose it's better to do things by sunday than put them away for Monday...
EXPANSION IS A MUST:ph34r:

Modifié par Marcin R, 14 mars 2010 - 05:25 .

[Blansten]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Maybe what they originally intended Tali or Garrus to say to Liara or vice versa was rendered redundant when Redemption was conceived? Or, perhaps what Liara and Tali or Garrus will say to each other will be relevant to the comic, hence them not wanting to spoil. Is this problem exclusive to Liara, by the way? Do Tali and Garrus say anything special to Wrex or Anderson?

And I agree with everything Stubbs said above. They've designed Liara's story from the ground up to be very emotion driven, with her devotion to Shep and subsequent guilt and emotional torment for handing the body to Cerberus central. Realistically, they can't have Liara's DLC be all combat with minimal emotional and deep dialogue without it feeling unnatural.

Bottom line is this. Through all of ME1 the relationship grew and grew. Then Shep dies and we have the comics. I do not care how much of a friend you are to a person, you are just NOT going to go through with what Liara went through to get your body back. It's just not realistic in my opinion. That is only done by someone who loves you more than most anything else in her life. Given the time they had together between killing Sovereign and the beginning events of ME2, what like five weeks, does anyone believe they would not have explored their relationship and melded minds to truly become ONE as Liara describes in ME1. Her emotions are just not someone who is looking for a friend. And her emotions in ME2 are someone in great torment, who wants to reach out to the one love in her life, the most important thing in her life, and she is being held back by some knowledge that they may still be in danger or something like that.

Bioware had built this up to be an epic love story... period. along the lines of Revan and Bastila... but more emotional and pulling. They simply have no alternative but to do a major expansion to bring at least some closure to this love. At the bare minimum and very least, allow Liara and Shep to express their love for one another at the end of the expansion after some serious emotional dialogue to clear the air. Once that is complete... she needs to join him on the Normandy. There is no other option. Are you going to leave the person you love more than life itself behind on some planet hundreds of light years away and 'go visit' them once in a while?

If Bioware does not do this... in my opinion they will lose much respect in the RPG world and from fans. If they do it and raise the bar in emotion and dialogue and gameplay, which they are perfectly capable of doing no doubt, then they will have succeeded where so many others have failed and they will earn droves of fans who will simply buy their games because of who they are.

Whew! Too much writing for a Sunday! 

I like the way you think. I have played through all the various romance options and genuinely like all the squad mates ... but there is something about the Shep/Liara romance that rings out as more epic to me (this is a personal opinion and not a dig against other options). The possibilities of what they could do with this couple if they put some effort into it is very exciting. 

[Asheer_Khan]

I noticed that default Shepard have gray romance 'field" because picture in cabin don't show any of three key ME 1 characters which were romanceable.



This is easy to explain by fact of adapting ME 2 for series newbies however this fact create rather unexplainable plot hole "WHY Liara would risk her life to save Shepard from the Collectors?"



However i tend to not dwell on default ME 2 renegade setting but rather analize connection between ME 1 and ME 2 where Liara is my Shepard sweetheart and what bothers me was why she didn't rally for help all old teammates if she learn truth that Shepard's body have been recovered?... but on the other hand i think i known why...



The answer is CERBERUS... i think Liara known way too good that maybe except Wrex rest of the old team will absolute oppose idea giving Shepard to Cerberus in fear (confirmed by Liara on Illum by the way) that Timmy will try to turn Shepard to become Cerberus "gun".

So she made very dare and dangerous for her life and possible future relationship whit Shepard choice do everything possible to bring Shepard back...



I too don't want to believe that Bioware will dare to reduce Liara to Zaaed/Kasumi character style because this would be absolute unfair treatment of the fan base since Talimancers get thier loved character back not only as full interactive squad member but as Li too, same comes for Garrus fans when Liara and Ash/Kaidan fans recived heavy kick where sun never rises from devs whit rather idiotic explanation why they do what they do...



HELLO!!! for the Enkindlers sake... IF i was able to pull out from C-Base everybody ALIVE (Squads and abducted crew) 5 times then i wouldn't be able to keep Lili safe?... come on.

No.. devs just need a place for two more or less USELESS characters like Zaaed and Kasumi so Liara and Ash/Kaidan were simply and plainly sacryficed on altar of the rEApers and thier demand to made this game playable for Mass Effect newbies.



I will end this rant using Udina's famous words:



THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

[vigna]

So does Liara kiss the default Shephard?

[Marcin K]

vigna wrote...

So does Liara kiss the default Shephard?

if you mean non Li [and that is shep non-imported] then the answer is no

[vigna]

So BW wimped out and made "canon" Shephard have no LI?

[Marcin K]

vigna wrote...

So BW wimped out and made "canon" Shephard have no LI?

guess so-or it's Ash, haven't tried out default but for sure it's no-Li Liara option so it sucks baisiclly:P
the only 100% worth Shep is an imported shep!!!!!:ph34r::bandit::bandit::devil::devil:

[JPfanner]

vigna wrote...

So BW wimped out and made "canon" Shephard have no LI?

From what I can remember, the default non-import Shepard has no LI at all, saves the opposite gender person on Virmire, does NO sidemissions, kills pretty much anyone you can in the main missions (Wrex, Shiala, rachni queen), and then snuffs the Council to boot.  So like a lonely, lazy, sociopath Renegade pretty much.

[jtav]

Why is that wimping out. Default is for people who didn't play the first game. And making any LI is "official" is moronic.

[ratzerman]

Let's go, Liara fans..... Hit this poll hard!

Modifié par ratzerman, 14 mars 2010 - 06:20 .

[bjdbwea]

JPfanner wrote...

From what I can remember, the default non-import Shepard has no LI at all, saves the opposite gender person on Virmire, does NO sidemissions, kills pretty much anyone you can in the main missions (Wrex, Shiala, rachni queen), and then snuffs the Council to boot.  So like a lonely, lazy, sociopath Renegade pretty much.

Sign of what BioWare/EA sees as the new main audience? <_<

[revan11exile]

Hey guys i know this sounds crazy but do you think it is possible that bioware will let Liara and Shepard get married.Lets not forget that in dragon age you could so what do you guys think?

[Asheer_Khan]

bjdbwea wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

From what I can remember, the default non-import Shepard has no LI at all, saves the opposite gender person on Virmire, does NO sidemissions, kills pretty much anyone you can in the main missions (Wrex, Shiala, rachni queen), and then snuffs the Council to boot.  So like a lonely, lazy, sociopath Renegade pretty much.

Sign of what BioWare/EA sees as the new main audience? <_<

Yep...

I started defaut Shepard and finished this default game after first arriving on the citadel...
I seriously dont known who's idea was to set up default start as extreme renegade but (call me naive dreamer) for me and my paragon Shepard this setting was unplayable and when in my imported games that turian by C-Sec custom play a small jester in default setting he is deadly serious...

[Marcin K]

ratzerman wrote...

Let's go, Liara fans..... Hit this poll hard!

proudly accomplished  show-love-to-Liara duty:D:D

[bjdbwea]

revan11exile wrote...

Hey guys i know this sounds crazy but do you think it is possible that bioware will let Liara and Shepard get married.Lets not forget that in dragon age you could so what do you guys think?

It would be great, but a lot of things that we can think up would be great. Right now it is hard to predict anything as far as BioWare is concerned. The signs certainly aren't promising for anyone who cares about story, depth, romances, and characters other than Tali.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 14 mars 2010 - 06:37 .

[JPfanner]

bjdbwea wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

From what I can remember, the default non-import Shepard has no LI at all, saves the opposite gender person on Virmire, does NO sidemissions, kills pretty much anyone you can in the main missions (Wrex, Shiala, rachni queen), and then snuffs the Council to boot.  So like a lonely, lazy, sociopath Renegade pretty much.

Sign of what BioWare/EA sees as the new main audience? <_<

Well I forgot to put "sexist" on the end too since if your sole criteria for saving someone on Virmire is if they have the opposite naughty bits in their pants than you do it is kind of hard not to see it that way.  Sadly, that's why I think they'll be romanceable in ME3 for non-imports.