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[Yeled]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Something thing that bothers me: even with the explanation of her guilt over the body, her anger still seems out of place. The only way it makes sense is if she's actually angry at herself and it's being focused on the Shadow Broker.
Shepard should be able to call her out on that (or at least talk to her about it more), it would have been a great opportunity for character development.

Yes, speaking to Liara about her issues was a missed opportunity and one of the reasons why so many Liara fans are upset about ME2.  It was especially difficult if she was your love interest in ME1.

There is hope that her role will be expanded through dlc or in ME3...but who knows.

[Nozybidaj]

justinnstuff wrote...

Ah yes, "previous romances". I thought we had dismissed that claim.

LOL Nozy that's awesome. I need to see if I can fit that somewhere in my sig.

 That'll probably be another tag line from Hudson and the rest leading up to ME3 like "dark second chapter" and "amped up" were for ME2.

[jlb524]

Hah, that is funny, Nozy.

[Driveninhifi]

Yeled wrote...

Yes, speaking to Liara about her issues was a missed opportunity and one of the reasons why so many Liara fans are upset about ME2.  It was especially difficult if she was your love interest in ME1.

There is hope that her role will be expanded through dlc or in ME3...but who knows.

Oh yeah, I've written at length about that. The whole interaction was a huge missed opportunity in favor of creating a "dark 2nd act." I don't have a problem with the idea of a dark 2nd act - it's just that it comes across as completely forced in this case. The set of reactions Shepard is given are not the reactions of someone in love with Liara. The only reason there's any uncertainty is that the game doesn't allow the player to treat Liara as a love interest.

There's a ton of potential in the character - they should have explored what Shepard's return means to her and her motivations. The conflict between her love for Shepard and her guilt, etc. How being in danger for two years has weighed on her. There's a lot of material there that the game does nothing with.

I'd hope the DLC goes into all this because it will feel very artificial if they ignore it and just have a shooty mission with the Shadow Broker as the boss.

[ratzerman]

.....trying to catch up. Spending so much time in the groups, I keep forgetting to support this thread. Sorry, folks.

Justin, I can't wait to see the new sig. I'm sure it'll be great!

Modifié par ratzerman, 22 février 2010 - 08:31 .

[Corti78]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Looking forward to seeing the sig Justin.

On another note, I was looking through deviantart and found this beautiful piece of Liara fanart:

http://jean-teufel.d...ghter-122628922

Such a stunning mixture of cute and sexy!

Wow, thats one of the best Liara pics I've seen. Very beautiful.

[LimiterOne]

Count me in as calling schenanigans on Liara/Sheperd not getting their due attention... at least not so far. DLC love, please... and I mean that in every sense of the word. Of course, she also needs to be back as teammate/lover for ME3 as well.

[LimiterOne]

Sorry for the double-post.

Modifié par LimiterOne, 22 février 2010 - 08:45 .

[Nozybidaj]

LimiterOne wrote...

Count me in as calling schenanigans on Liara/Sheperd not getting their due attention... at least not so far. DLC love, please... and I mean that in every sense of the word. Of course, she also needs to be back as teammate/lover for ME3 as well.

The tiny little part of me that tries to remain optomistic likes to think that BW did all of this on purpose just so they could make an awesome Liara Expansion devoted to her and her story with Shepard without having all these other nobodies distracting them in the process.

[Yeled]

Nozybidaj wrote...

The tiny little part of me that tries to remain optomistic likes to think that BW did all of this on purpose just so they could make an awesome Liara Expansion devoted to her and her story with Shepard without having all these other nobodies distracting them in the process.

The problem with this, and the excuse we'll be given, of course, is that dlc that includes romance plot progression will have to be incorporated in ME3.  Meaning that the third installment will have to account for decisions made in an optional add-on that many won't have, meaning it would be quite complex, meaning it seems very unlikely to happen in a way that makes any of us very happy.

[MikeFL25]

I <3 Liara

Once you go blue, you never go back.

Modifié par MikeFL25, 22 février 2010 - 09:20 .

[Nozybidaj]

Yeled wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

The tiny little part of me that tries to remain optomistic likes to think that BW did all of this on purpose just so they could make an awesome Liara Expansion devoted to her and her story with Shepard without having all these other nobodies distracting them in the process.

The problem with this, and the excuse we'll be given, of course, is that dlc that includes romance plot progression will have to be incorporated in ME3.  Meaning that the third installment will have to account for decisions made in an optional add-on that many won't have, meaning it would be quite complex, meaning it seems very unlikely to happen in a way that makes any of us very happy.

Well, if they are going to do it expansion style with the SB arc included in it, then yes they will have to plan for decisions to carry over and should be able to include romance specific content.  Folks who don't get it just won't see the content and strt ME3 without having any decisions carry over.  How this effects the start of the LI in ME3, I dunno, I don't think they need to bring anything to a conclusion in the xpac that would need to carry over romance wise, it would basically just amount to an new additional love scene and a new call up to the captain's cabin.

If it doesn't, and it is just another set of hacking missions then yes, I see no reason to bother getting it.

[Driveninhifi]

Yeled wrote...

The problem with this, and the excuse we'll be given, of course, is that dlc that includes romance plot progression will have to be incorporated in ME3.  Meaning that the third installment will have to account for decisions made in an optional add-on that many won't have, meaning it would be quite complex, meaning it seems very unlikely to happen in a way that makes any of us very happy.

Not necessarily - just having an acknowledgement of the relationship is all that's required. Liara still clearly cares deeply for Shepard. The romance doesn't have to progress back into full-blown "Liara moves into the Captain's cabin" - you can have them talk about what Shepard's return means for the two and save the major romance for ME3.
Shep: "Can we work this out?"
Liara: "I'd like that"
With a bit more detail and development, of course.
It really should have been in ME2 to begin with, though.

[Driveninhifi]

Nozy has a good point: if the DLC is taking down the Shadow Broker and/or saving Feron, it really needs to carry over. Those are important details that can potentially have a big impact.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Looking forward to seeing the sig Justin.

On another note, I was looking through deviantart and found this beautiful piece of Liara fanart:

http://jean-teufel.d...ghter-122628922

Such a stunning mixture of cute and sexy!

Now THIS should be the ME 3 cover.

[Yeled]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

A way around this is, should you import a Shepard into ME3 who didn't complete the Liara DLC, it'll assume that you failed the mission or only completed the bare bones of the mission, similar to how BDtS is referenced in 2. Therefore, Liara LI Sheps would have to do the relationship work in ME3 that was accomplished in the Liara DLC.

For me though, it doesn't have to be "progression" exactly, just acknowledgement of the romance and at the very least some romantic dialogue between Liara and Shepard.

I suppose you're right.  You could easily have ME3 assume Liara completed the mission on her own if you didn't do the dlc.  Then all you need is a little alternate dialogue.  Instead of "thanks for helping me take down the SB," you get, "I tracked down the sb and killed him."

The relationship stuff could be included but kept from truly progressing until ME3.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...


A way around this is, should you import a Shepard into ME3 who didn't complete the Liara DLC, it'll assume that you failed the mission or only completed the bare bones of the mission, similar to how BDtS is referenced in 2. Therefore, Liara LI Sheps would have to do the relationship work in ME3 that was accomplished in the Liara DLC.

I think this would be a good idea.  I believe most ME2 fans will buy and play the DLC, however, in case they did not, they can make an assumption on how it went (Shep and Liara took down the SB but Feron died, etc).  In addition, they can add a brief Codex entry in ME3 that recaps these events for those that missed the DLC.

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

For me though, it doesn't have to be "progression" exactly, just acknowledgement of the romance and at the very least some romantic dialogue between Liara and Shepard.

You guys are way too easy.  If it doesn't give us the continuation, the second act of the three part romance that we were led to believe we would get, I don't see much reason to even produce it.  Like I said, I hope the reason it is so bad in the core game is because they knew they were going to add it in later via expansion to do it justice.

If we get a Liara xpac and it doesn't include putting the romance back together and getting some time in the captain's cabin in addition to wrapping up the SB I probably won't get it.  The last thing I need added to my ME2 experince, especially if I am going to pay for it, is just a new map to shoot stuff on.

[Yeled]

Nozybidaj wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

For me though, it doesn't have to be "progression" exactly, just acknowledgement of the romance and at the very least some romantic dialogue between Liara and Shepard.

You guys are way too easy.  If it doesn't give us the continuation, the second act of the three part romance that we were led to believe we would get, I don't see much reason to even produce it.  Like I said, I hope the reason it is so bad in the core game is because they knew they were going to add it in later via expansion to do it justice.

If we get a Liara xpac and it doesn't include putting the romance back together and getting some time in the captain's cabin in addition to wrapping up the SB I probably won't get it.  The last thing I need added to my ME2 experince, especially if I am going to pay for it, is just a new map to shoot stuff on.

While I agree I don't want maps on which I can shoot stuff, I don't know if I agree that I will only accept a full-on romance progression pack for Liara.

[Driveninhifi]

It's not realistic to immediately jump their relationship back to where it was, though.

It's unbelievable that it wouldn't come up in the ME2 conversations, definitely. Shepard's not given appropriate responses for someone who is reunited with their love. There needs to be more natural dialogue from the Commander.

However, Liara's been alone and in danger for 2 years. I think she clearly does love Shepard and wants to rediscover their relationship - but it's not really a switch you flip. It's more realistic for the two of them to work it out over a period of time. Not as long as a full game, but not as short as a DLC, either. They need to spend a bunch of time actually together, then Liara can fully open up again.