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[Slakky]

General Stubbs wrote...

Yeah, I just hate seeing my Shep die every time I play ME2, seeing her look at Liara's escape pod and silently say, "I love you Liara" and think about the times they had together as she is falling into the planet (That is what I think happens, lol).
Joker could have tried to evacuate the ship ten minutes earlier, then everyone would have been happy and alive.
But no, he has to try and save a ship that has three quarters of it blown up... How is that even possible to do?

I guess it all depends on how BioWare wants to play the ending out.
They could go with the extremely sad, yet heartwarming ending of Shepard being surrounded by Liara and her children just before she dies (I am serious about this, I have never cried because of or during a movie or a game, but I believe that would make me cry).
It would probably be the route they would take if they wanted to completely finish Shepard's story and leave no room for interpretation.
I would be thinking about that ending for months after, Liara would have Shep live on in her children.

Although, I would think the bare minimum life span Shep would have with the cybernetics would be around 400-500 myself.
Theoretically, you could live forever with the right mechanical augmentations.

I think there's a codex entry somewhere that places a hard limit of ~340 years on the human brain.

I agree it's a beautiful ending.  I just wish it didn't remind me of Bioshock.  My disdain for that title grows yearly.

Modifié par Slakky, 15 mars 2010 - 02:51 .

[Yeled]

Sorry, just can't get into the "How many kids will Liara and Shep have?" discussion.    Its a bit beyond me.

Anyway, someone posted this link over at the Did ME2 Actually Accomplish Anything? thread, but I thought the Liara group might find it of interest:

http://metagame.org/...ffect-2-part-2/

Its not about Liara, but I think it speaks to some of what we see as failures in ME2.  For us Liara was part of our Shepard's personal journey.  ME2 isn't really about Shep's journey, though.  And Liara (or Ash or Kaiden) not being there plays into this.  So I thought the article had a lot of valid points.

[Morgalne]

Bump

[vigna]

Hmmm, I just realized something. Liara and Tali are almost like princesses. The daughter of a matriarch and the daughter of an admiral. Just strange that Shep not only saved the galaxy, etc, but he also attracts princess types.....smart, tough, beautiful princess types, but whatever.

[Ricoice]

yes I would love to see Liara back for Mass Effect 3.

[Slakky]

General Stubbs wrote...

It could be foreshadowing the ending. Maybe Shep will be a key figure later in the ME universe when BioWare puts out another game.
I guess it depends on what the plans are for the ME universe in the future.

Basically, the only thing that really matters in extending life is keeping your brain's functions working properly via the regeneration of the neurons and other brain cells.
Definitely not impossible, it just requires a lot of dedicated research.

I think that could be a renegade ending.  Sort of like that Simpsons Halloween episode where robotic Mr. Burns and robot dog Smithers walk the scorched nuclear wastelands of North America in a distant future.

Seems to me like paragon Shephard would sooner die surrounded by family than live on as a parody of its former self.  Or like that guy in Burning Chrome who asks to be deleted after the mission is over if we're going back to nerd culture references.

-edit note- Quote removal fail.

Modifié par Slakky, 15 mars 2010 - 03:38 .

[jlb524]

Yeled wrote...

Sorry, just can't get into the "How many kids will Liara and Shep have?" discussion.    Its a bit beyond me.

Anyway, someone posted this link over at the Did ME2 Actually Accomplish Anything? thread, but I thought the Liara group might find it of interest:

http://metagame.org/...ffect-2-part-2/

Its not about Liara, but I think it speaks to some of what we see as failures in ME2.  For us Liara was part of our Shepard's personal journey.  ME2 isn't really about Shep's journey, though.  And Liara (or Ash or Kaiden) not being there plays into this.  So I thought the article had a lot of valid points.

Thanks for that!  It was a good read. 

I agree with your assessment about the LI's.   I think that's the problem with ME2's 'feel' and tone.  It doesn't feel like another chapter in Shepard's story.  ME2 feels just like a huge sidequest.  Everything you did that mattered in ME1 is gone.  You're no longer a Spectre.  The Council and Alliance have abandoned you.  Your friends are gone from your life.  Your lover (if you had one) has moved on and is gone from your life.  The story is now about all these new people you recruit and their problems.

You do get to see some minor effects of decisions you made in ME1, but none of those were personal.  How I treated Conrad isn't personal.  Wether I killed the colonists on Feros or not isn't personal.  The relationships I had with important characters in ME1 is personal.....so is the relationship I forged with the Council (or didn't forge).  

[JaylaClark]

Yeled wrote...

Sorry, just can't get into the "How many kids will Liara and Shep have?" discussion.    Its a bit beyond me.

Anyway, someone posted this link over at the Did ME2 Actually Accomplish Anything? thread, but I thought the Liara group might find it of interest:

http://metagame.org/...ffect-2-part-2/

Its not about Liara, but I think it speaks to some of what we see as failures in ME2.  For us Liara was part of our Shepard's personal journey.  ME2 isn't really about Shep's journey, though.  And Liara (or Ash or Kaiden) not being there plays into this.  So I thought the article had a lot of valid points.

Great points all around, I have to say... though the commenter was the kicker.  Seriously, even my Paragon wants to ... come up with some horrifying fate worse than death for The Illusive Man, just because of Akuze and Admiral Kahoku, and they stick us with the group for the entire game.  I have trouble accepting that I'd accept that.

Cerberus and the suicide mission were interesting places to go for ME2, but ... they weren't the best places to go at all.  I actually don't blame Talimancers for their fervor, come to think of it, even if I'm jealous because she got a hug and Liara didn't.

[AndroLeonidas]

I believe Shep says in ME1 humans live to be roughly 150... I just played through again so I'm pretty sure about that. Now Miranda has been genetically modified and states she will live half again as long as th enormal human... so 225-230 years. I thinking that Shep, with his implants and bio-synthetic fusion we are looking at probably 350-450 years of life with him. Whatever was done to Miranda was done thirty plus years prior to Cerberus rebuilding Shep so it stands to reason they have come a long way since then.
Children? I can see them having between 4-6 kiddies.
Let's face it... Liara and the other ME1 LIs were tossed to the side so Bioware and EA, probably more EA that Bioware, could bring in the first person shooter people. They wanted to appeal to a new class of gamers. They have succeeded in that... so one of two things will happen with ME3...
1. The game will be hugely long and combined the best of both worlds for all those who now are addicted to this game. We'll have closure to our Liara and Shep's love... and they will save the galaxy together. (Insert other LIs where applicable:blush:)

2. The game will cater to all the new shooter fans and those of us who love the story more than the shooting will be left in the street.

If ME3 has been in development alongside ME2 as some have stated... and we still have a year before it is released... then I can see the first option happening. If it hasn't been in development concurrently then I believe we will get shafted. Again. In which case I say refer to one of my earlier posts about purchasing future BW games.

Tali romance is sweet... but I have never been able to get past the sister thing. She is more like a sister to me than a romance option. Just ain't working. Not to mention you always seem to be pulling her out of the fire and rescuing her. Liara on the other hand has had no trouble pulling her own fine azz out of the fire, at least until the odds got really bad when Saren and the Geth showed up. The Tali thread is insanely long, more so because I think people just keep bumping the thread. I haven't seen the level or depth of conversation in regards to her that we have here. Not to say it doesn't happen... I just am not going to surf over 2000 pages of drivel to find it. And no doubt she has an interesting story to tell if you include Legion and the Geth. Her story still does not compare to Liara's.

"I would have followed you anywhere!" Is what Ashely tells Shep on Horizon before she goes all nasty Bi**h on him. If that were the case... why would you not help Liara. Resign and help Liara. Take an extended leave and help Liara. Anything to show that you actually meant what you said. (On my ME1 replay I allowed her to die on Virmere. I just can't stand her for lack of a better explanation.)

Then we have Liara... who drops everything, risks everything, just to recover your body! All on the off chance that Cerberus says they can bring you back. THAT is love my fellow liara maniacs. In every sense and definition and meaning of the word. Which harkens back to what I said earlier today... Bioware has the opportunity to make their love affair an epic love affair. Along the lines of Titanic and such.

Keeping my fingers crossed... but not building up my hopes. Since there has been no attempt to correct or continue KOTOR and finish that epic love story, I'm dreading the truth that Bioware just might go this direction here as well.

Argh!!! No more pessimism!!!(sp)

There will be an expansion and we will finally be able to hold our blue goddess again!!!!

[Yeled]

yorkj86 wrote...

This is a little off-topic, but I'm sure others must have experienced this:

I remember staring at the dialogue wheel with my blood boiling in my veins because I couldn't tell Liara that my Shepard loves her. There was just "I approve of what you did to bring me back" and "I don't approve of what you did to bring me back." To rub salt in the wound, the top right conversation option was blank, the EXACT SPOT where that option would be.

I was looking right at her. She was right there. It was a "screaming-at-the-television-screen-to-tell-the-horror-movie-heroine-that-the-killer-is-right-behind-her-even-though-she-can't-hear-me" moment.

I think this might be the basis of this entire 200+ page thread.  It is what gives a Liaramancer her power. It's an energy field created by all of our frustration. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the Liara group together.

[JaylaClark]

yorkj86 wrote...

This is a little off-topic, but I'm sure others must have experienced this:

I remember staring at the dialogue wheel with my blood boiling in my veins because I couldn't tell Liara that my Shepard loves her. There was just "I approve of what you did to bring me back" and "I don't approve of what you did to bring me back." To rub salt in the wound, the top right conversation option was blank, the EXACT SPOT where that option would be.

I was looking right at her. She was right there. It was a "screaming-at-the-television-screen-to-tell-the-horror-movie-heroine-that-the-killer-is-right-behind-her-even-though-she-can't-hear-me" moment.

Wow.  I don't know what's worse, how odd that sounds, or how true it was for me!

I've said it before, on this very thread.  The option, which someone PhotoShopped in as being "I couldn't bear to be without you" or something, SHOULD have been there, right there, but no, it was mocking me with its absence.

Where I already know what my Shep would say.  "Liara... I'm sorry to say this ... but I'd do exactly the same thing if it were you.  For exactly the same reason..."  Heck, have a tab going the other way for "I ... I hope I'd be able to let you go, but I'm not sure about that at all."

[Crimmsonwind]

Maybe Miranda screwed something up when she was patching our Sheps back together. "Control chips" my ass... Lazarus turned us into shooter clones D:



Or maybe I just feel like blaming Miranda for something. "Yes, camera. I see you focused on Miranda's ass. I don't really care that much. I really don't feel like talking to Miranda's ass right now."



GAH, IS REDEMPTION 4 OUT YET? This wait for confirmation of some kind of expansion is killing me. So is the inability to sleep. But mostly the expansion. Or lack thereof.

[Yeled]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Or maybe I just feel like blaming Miranda for something. "Yes, camera. I see you focused on Miranda's ass. I don't really care that much. I really don't feel like talking to Miranda's ass right now."

Shepard:  "Um, Miranda?"

Miranda: "I'm busy, Shepard.  There's a lot to do right now."

Shepard:  "Yes, I know.  So you've said.  But..."

Miranda: "I hope this is important, then."

Shepard:  "Its just that...."

Miranda:  "Out with it, Shepard."

Shepard:  "Its just that your genetically perfect ass is kinda blocking my view of Liara.  Honestly, its been doing that throughout the game.  Could you move over to the side a little?  There's a good girl."

*Miranda, unused to such treatment, shifts uncomfortably out of the way.*

"Shepard:  *ogling* "Look at her.  So beautiful!"