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[Crimmsonwind]

Yeled wrote...

*Miranda, unused to such treatment, shifts uncomfortably out of the way.*



"Shepard: *ogling* "Look at her. So beautiful!"

I just imagine her like, shuffling to the side, and it makes me laugh. XD

General Stubbs wrote...



If I wanted to see soulless assh**es go on a suicide mission and get angry at everything that moves, I would have played Gears of War.



Yeah, I need that Liara Expansion badly.

This.

[jlb524]

General Stubbs wrote...

I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but what Michael Gamble said about the Kasumi DLC makes me feel better about the Liara Expansion being released right after the Redemption #4.

I think I missed this...what did he say about the Kasumi DLC?

[Yeled]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Yeled wrote...
*Miranda, unused to such treatment, shifts uncomfortably out of the way.*

"Shepard: *ogling* "Look at her. So beautiful!"

I just imagine her like, shuffling to the side, and it makes me laugh. XD

*chuckles*

I totally had one of your comics visualized in my head when I wrote that!

[Crimmsonwind]

But no mention of Liara? fffffuuuu-



I am sad.

[Crimmsonwind]

General Stubbs wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

But no mention of Liara? fffffuuuu-

I am sad.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Liara, but it might make you laugh.
Weirdest Game Ever

What you can't see in this message is my slacked jaw as I stare at the screen and wonder what to type. And all I could bring myself to say was... what.

Japan is a crazy place.

[Yeled]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

But no mention of Liara? fffffuuuu-

I am sad.

They won't mention Liara dlc yet.  But frankly I find those comments as forbodding as they are fortuidous. 

I don't want pre-planned Liara dlc that's anything like Kasumi and Zaeed dlc.  I want a fully fleshed out, 15 hour race after the SB.  A single, 90-minute mission in which we don't even get a dialogue wheel?  No thank you.

[Crimmsonwind]

Yeled wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

But no mention of Liara? fffffuuuu-

I am sad.

They won't mention Liara dlc yet.  But frankly I find those comments as forbodding as they are fortuidous. 

I don't want pre-planned Liara dlc that's anything like Kasumi and Zaeed dlc.  I want a fully fleshed out, 15 hour race after the SB.  A single, 90-minute mission in which we don't even get a dialogue wheel?  No thank you.

Same here. I'm hoping that since Liara is a bigger player than Kasumi and Zaeed, her DLC will be much better though.

[mrbeavis19]

Liara is far from the only let-down of ME2 (although arguably the most hair-pullingly frustrating). I'd start with the general lack of rpg elements that made me accept the Makos ****ty handling, the bad cover system, and how obviously repetitive the sidequest environments were. BW and EA ****d the series out to gain more sales. Plain and simple. They sacrificed time that should have been spent making the rpg we were all hoping for and instead spent it making a dummied down rpg with okay shooter elements. Yes, they did improve on the problems ME1 ran into gameplay-wise, but I think they completely screwed when it came to story. As I've realized, ME2 really WAS like one big friggin sidequest. Pointless in the bigger picture. And what do we get for it? Collecters were Protheans? Yeah that great, I don't really care. They were making a Reaper? Umm alright, but we still are gonna have to deal with that army of them heading towards the milky way. We got to recruit a team and help them deal with their problems. That's nice and all, but they're stories ended up having more weight than Shepard's. Like seriously, what did Shepard accomplish that was new and exciting? Working with a shady organization to stop the Collecters from collecting colonists, kill one Reaper, and basically commit genocide on said Collecters. Far less cool than becoming the first human spectre and taking down Saren and Sovereign and becoming the "Hero of the Citadel". What is Shep now? "Hero of those colonists that might have eventually been abducted and turned into one lousy Reaper"? Overall just lame.



I loved this game when it first came out. However, the more time that passes and the more I think about it...it could have been infinitely better had BW not decided to "expand the market for the game".



Oh yeah, and putting Liara on the back burner wasn't cool. I don't care what their reasons are. Short of coming up with some incredible dlc/expansion that explains and fixes the whole situation, there is no fixing the total **** up that was Liara's role in the 20+ hour sidequest called Mass Effect 2. >:/



I hate to be so negative, but I just had to get all that off my chest.

[Yeled]

mrbeavis19 wrote...

Liara is far from the only let-down of ME2 (although arguably the most hair-pullingly frustrating). I'd start with the general lack of rpg elements that made me accept the Makos ****ty handling, the bad cover system, and how obviously repetitive the sidequest environments were. BW and EA ****d the series out to gain more sales. Plain and simple. They sacrificed time that should have been spent making the rpg we were all hoping for and instead spent it making a dummied down rpg with okay shooter elements. Yes, they did improve on the problems ME1 ran into gameplay-wise, but I think they completely screwed when it came to story. As I've realized, ME2 really WAS like one big friggin sidequest. Pointless in the bigger picture. And what do we get for it? Collecters were Protheans? Yeah that great, I don't really care. They were making a Reaper? Umm alright, but we still are gonna have to deal with that army of them heading towards the milky way. We got to recruit a team and help them deal with their problems. That's nice and all, but they're stories ended up having more weight than Shepard's. Like seriously, what did Shepard accomplish that was new and exciting? Working with a shady organization to stop the Collecters from collecting colonists, kill one Reaper, and basically commit genocide on said Collecters. Far less cool than becoming the first human spectre and taking down Saren and Sovereign and becoming the "Hero of the Citadel". What is Shep now? "Hero of those colonists that might have eventually been abducted and turned into one lousy Reaper"? Overall just lame.

I loved this game when it first came out. However, the more time that passes and the more I think about it...it could have been infinitely better had BW not decided to "expand the market for the game".

Oh yeah, and putting Liara on the back burner wasn't cool. I don't care what their reasons are. Short of coming up with some incredible dlc/expansion that explains and fixes the whole situation, there is no fixing the total **** up that was Liara's role in the 20+ hour sidequest called Mass Effect 2. >:/

I hate to be so negative, but I just had to get all that off my chest.

You might like this article:  www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/

Its another one that popped up on the Did ME2 Actually Accomplish ANYTHING plotwise? thread.

[Crimmsonwind]

mrbeavis19 wrote...

I loved this game when it first came out. However, the more time that passes and the more I think about it...it could have been infinitely better had BW not decided to "expand the market for the game".



Oh yeah, and putting Liara on the back burner wasn't cool. I don't care what their reasons are. Short of coming up with some incredible dlc/expansion that explains and fixes the whole situation, there is no fixing the total **** up that was Liara's role in the 20+ hour sidequest called Mass Effect 2. >:/



I hate to be so negative, but I just had to get all that off my chest.

I'm starting to find myself inthe same boat. D:



The potentially sad thing is, we'll all still get ME3 because we want to see how the story ends. They could totally botch everything, and we'd still be preordering as soon as the option is available. -.-



I remember the feeling of unease among everyone when EA's shadow fell over BioWare. That shadow has not completely dissipated, nor has that feeling of unease. I know devs were assuring people that EA would have no impact on the quality of games and all that, but I really would like to know if EA was pressuring them. I'd rather we not get a bunch of teasers and hype, and wait an extra few months for a spit-shined, glorious game.Sure, we'd all complain, but I know we'd be much happier.



And I want more RPG in my Mass Effect 3.



And more Liara. But that was a given.

[Yeled]

General Stubbs wrote...

Yeah, I just try to ignore the Kasumi/Zaeed part of what he is talking about.
Obviously, the Liara Expansion will not be anything close to that. It is actually impossible for it to be anything else then the 15+ hour Expansion that we want.
No matter what, Zaeed/Kasumi had to follow the preset plan that all of the other squadmates follow.
I didn't think Kasumi was going to be much better than Zaeed.

I actually think his comments can be read as a good thing, to me, they are a confirmation of the Liara Expansion.

A couple months ago I'd have agreed with you.  Now, I feel nothing is impossible.  In fact I think most evidence would point to any Liara dlc being underwhelming.  Yes, the story so far doesn't support that.  But Bioware seems a lot less concerned with story than they used to be.  Other factors must be included in our analysis of the situation that exist outside of story.

[Crimmsonwind]

yorkj86 wrote...

Frankly, I'd rather the "dormant" Liara DLC files remain "cut", as they're listed, and never used. What's already there sounds dreadful, like something a writer jotted down quick on a Friday afternoon right before leaving for the weekend.

Listening to the files, I felt the same intensity of boiling-blood that I felt after visiting Liara on Illium.  "What?  That's it?"

Thankfully, they've been saying that the audio we found in the game files was just placeholder and they just left it in there. I don't know anything about making a game so I'm not sure why they would leave stuff like that, though.

I still think they did it on purpose the mess with us, but I've been told I'm severely paranoid.

[Yeled]

yorkj86 wrote...

Frankly, I'd rather the "dormant" Liara DLC files remain "cut", as they're listed, and never used. What's already there sounds dreadful, like something a writer jotted down quick on a Friday afternoon right before leaving for the weekend.

Listening to the files, I felt the same intensity of boiling-blood that I felt after visiting Liara on Illium.  "What?  That's it?"

I'm fairly certain that content won't be used regardless.  That's old stuff cut from the game for a reason.  Its not going to see its way into any dlc, no matter if the dlc is a 90 minute mission with no dialogue wheel or a full expansion that culminates in you and Liara having children. 

[mrbeavis19]

@yeled:

Thanks! That was a good read. Re-affirmed all my angstyness haha