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[JPfanner]

You could make it work in fanfiction, just ignore asari having conscious control over their parthogenesis and the entire act of melding to induce genetic variance being a deliberate act. That'd open the possibility of an accidental pregnancy, maybe juiced up a bit from Shepard being exposed to the those Prothean Beacons.

But within the context of game canon, I don't see any way for there to be a hidden lovechild without Liara having done a series of dishonest, stupid, and completely irresponsible actions that are TOTALLY out of bounds of her character.

[Ulathar]

exactly @LET

I'm really hoping for something special for those of us who stayed loyal. And by special I mean something different than one dialogue-line that states "Oh you stayed loyal...how sweet of you.".

I also think after saving the galaxy 3 times (at the end of ME3) we, as in our Shepards, are entitled to settle down and start a family. :-)

[Crimmsonwind]

@ Baal, Somebody- I guess it depends on how you RP your Shep in your mind, but I imagined Shepard as career military at this point. Nobody would complain if Shepard retired after saving the friggin' galaxy on several occasions but, Shepard would probably still want to kick some ass and keep the peace even after the fact, which doesn't leave a lot of room for "settling down."



Again though, that's my view of my Shep, and I'm sure most people would want to chill out after saving the universe.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I would like it though if the special Liara romance epilogue in ME3 for those of us who stayed loyal throughout the trilogy would be Shep and Liara become bondmates, and they have a family together. Would be a very sweet and touching ending.

I don't think the staying loyal will play any important role, regardless what the developers may say. IF they let Liara play an important role in ME 3, then I would almost bet that you can start the romance there too, without any disadvantages to speak of. It just wouldn't make sense to put much effort into developing something that new players will never see. That at least is the approach of BioWare/EA now, as we've learned with ME 2. I'd rather see that they develop a full Liara romance story arc for ME 3 (available for everyone), than just tack something on for old fans like they did with about everything that mattered in ME 1. Of course there would need to be some (small) acknowledgement for romances that started already in ME 1, and for people who remained faithful.

About the children during the game thing: BioWare did it once with Aerie in BG 2, and it was received with mixed opinions. I don't think they'd do something like that again, but it would certainly the most beautiful thing for an epilogue that I could imagine. But yet again, you have to take into consideration that there are other romances where it would probably not be biologically possible, including with the character the developers obviously see as the most important one. I fear they wouldn't give "us" anything which they can't give to their favourite fan group too.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 16 mars 2010 - 12:11 .

[Noxis6]

Hm I could see Shepard assuming some kind of leadership position given he/she survives the last game like Anderson,leading the galaxy to a new age and working on rebuilding the damage.

At least I assume the reapers will hit the galaxy pretty hard unless they are as lazy as the blight in DA:O.

[JPfanner]

bjdbwea wrote...
About the children during the game thing: BioWare did it once with Aerie in BG 2, and it was received with mixed opinions. I don't think they'd do something like that again, but it would certainly the most beautiful thing for an epilogue that I could imagine. But yet again, you have to take into consideration that there are other romances where it would probably not be biologically possible, including with the character the developers obviously see as the most important one. I fear they wouldn't give "us" anything which they can't give to their favourite fan group too.

I can understand this and "equally sucks" seems to be a fundamental design principle with LI's.
But still I can't help but be kind of hopeful, I mean Shepard could start a family with any of the ME1 LI's so having that jumpstarted option for an endgame reward for three games of romance wouldn't be totally out there or exclusive to Liara devotees.
Not to be mean or anything, but with some of the ME2 LI's people should be thankful that one or both partners don't die of toxic shock during intercourse, let alone complain about someone with the biological compatibility of styrofoam not being able to have kids. 

Modifié par JPfanner, 16 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Which is why a part of me wants it so that new players won't be able to romance Liara in ME3, and she's only a romance option for those who started it all the way back in ME1. If a hypothetical new Liara romance in ME3 is in any way detrimental to the loyal Liara romance from ME1, then I'd rather it's not there and we just get the deep development that a third part of Liara's romance would get. Those who only started a Liara romance in ME3, or those who cheated on her in ME2, should in my opinion get a weaker Liara romance epilogue than those of us who have remained loyal to her since ME1.

Honestly, I don't know why they'd cater to those who are just playing ME3. You jump into a trilogy right at the end, you expect to miss and misunderstand important elements to the game.

I agree, but this is not how it works. Again: If you make it exclusive to ME 1 players, you would almost certainly get a small, tacked-on thing. We (the old fans) are just not important enough, as we've been shown in ME 2. We still all bought the game, didn't we? EA isn't evil or something like that, but they are business people first. They will veto anything that "wastes" too much time on things that new players can't see, like I'm sure they already did during development for ME 2. Wish it were different, but that's just the way it is now, and BioWare has to abide by it. We have to be realistic, therefore I'd prefer Liara as a real LI for everyone, rather than just a few sentences thrown in for the old fans (don't forget that in ME 2 we weren't even given that much). If they do go with the latter, my best hope is that we would at least get a proper epilogue.

Off-topic: Grrr... wonder if this forum software will ever get the patches it really needs? <_<

Modifié par bjdbwea, 16 mars 2010 - 12:47 .

[Little Mama]

jbauck wrote...

Screenshots posted by Aheer_Khan, but I'm removing quote tags ... these begged for captioning (swapped the order of the last two) ...



"Shepard!  I cannot believe you recreated my Storage Room from the Original Normandy on the New Normandy!"



"Perhaps we should ... test how much weight this table can support?  For safety.  We wouldn't want it to break."



"Like on the SR1."



"Though ... I have heard disturbing rumors about *cough* safety tests in your quarters.  With that ... that ... "



" ... that YEOMAN."

.

"I know ... I know it was ... just dinner.  But Shepard?"



"From now on ... only I feed your fish."

Love it, especially the last one...

For the thoughts on a "love child" and Liara possibly keeping it a secret:
1. Sheps been gone fore 2 years - dead!
2. Maybe the child has been taken by the shadowbroker, would explain Liaras obssesion.
3. Liara is still a maiden, only 106 in Me 1, so she is not in her reproduction stage of life. 


 

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I remember someone posting it a while back, but I like this idea:

At the end of ME3, there is a time lapse and "5 Years Later" appears on screen. It shows Shepard's ship docking at the Citadel, and as Shep disembarks, it shows Liara and a little 5 year old asari waiting for him/her. The little girl runs up to Shep, excited to see her father/mother, before Shep then approaches Liara and they embrace warmly, smiling at each other.

Would be so sweet.

This idea I like...
Atleast my Shep is not the "settle down, family type". Hes more like a Kirk version; new adventure, save the galaxy from new threats and things like that. He will always be the commander/captain of the Normandy. But He can still have a family waiting for him at home, and of course it has to be with Liara. He could never love anyone else....

Noxis6 wrote...

Hm I could see Shepard assuming some kind of leadership position given he/she survives the last game like Anderson,leading the galaxy to a new age and working on rebuilding the damage.
At least I assume the reapers will hit the galaxy pretty hard unless they are as lazy as the blight in DA:O.

I imagen  that in Me 3 Shep has to unite al the galexys races agains the reaper threat.
He cant do this under thehuman  Alliance flag, but have to start a new galaxtic armyforce (like the starfleet in Star Trek) where race or gender doesnt matter. 
This will be a way to keep peace after the reaper threat is gone. 

Aboute romancing Liara in Me 3 only if you did it in ME 1, I think wouldnt be more then fair. 
There has to be some consequences for your actions in the first 2 games. You cant jump, for thouse how does that, from one LI to another without it affecting the story. Not if BW want the game to feel real. 

 Oops, this post got wery long... 

Modifié par Little Mama, 16 mars 2010 - 01:00 .

[Crimmsonwind]

bjdbwea wrote...
 EA isn't evil or something like that [...]

Yes they are.

[Zandilar]

@Mighty_BOB_cnc

2 years is more than enough gestation time. If she had a child by Shepard, they'd definitely be born by then. Even living for a thousand years, I think evolution would favour short(er) gestations.

I was also under the impression that Asari have very precice control over their own fertility, due to the mostly psionic nature of conception.

@JaylaClark

I'm a Liaramancer from ME1, I fell for her sweet geeky self. I think there's real possibilities with her personality in ME2. What Bioware have failed to do thus far is explain the progression from geeky doctor to wearing-a-tough-mask grief/guilt-torn information broker. Hopefully the last Redemption comic will be the bridge.

I cetainly don't want to see her completely return to being Dr Geek Girl, because that would be completely unbelievable. On the other hand, I don't think she's as cold as some people are making her out to be in ME2, I think she's doing a pretty valiant job hiding her pain. You just don't experience that kind of pain and come out the other side as exactly the same person you were when you went in.

@LesEnfantsTerribles

I'd hate to see Bioware going down the path, yet again, of having the PC be the main influence on an NPCs personality. I can talk a friend who is racist all I like about being racist and how it's wrong, I can lead by example even, with my treatment of others. But people are not clay, I can't mold them into my image and make them no longer racist. Largely how a person changes is up to them. They are the only ones in control of their own minds and personalities.

Besides which, that's one step away from controling whether or not Bastila Shan is Sith or Jedi. Which is a plot line I don't want to ever see again in a Bioware game, thanks. (Aribeth and Bastila were two too many, IMHO!)

I don't mind if we can influence them, but we should not be the only determining factor in any changes NPCs go through. The world should not really revolve around the PC.

@JPfanner (regarding Asari physiology and gynecology )

Those are pretty much my thoughts exactly.

@Everyone about a Baby.

My Shepard does not want a child anywhere in the near future, and I'm sure she's not the only one. If they put it into the Epilogue, that's kind of forcing "Childfree"!Shepard into having a child, and that's not on.

Remember also that Asari don't tend to have children until their Matron stage, and there's probably no real hurry for them to have kids anyway given Liara's lifespan, and who knows what Cerebus's project did to Shepards lifespan? (Not to mention the Prothean Beacons!!)

@Systemlord Baal

Not everyone thinks that settling down and "starting a family" is the Happily Ever After ending for them.

@Somebody1003

Hey! What about Female Shepard? Why do people insist on defaulting Shepard to he? I guess I'm just going to default her to she from now on just for balance sake.

@Bjdbwea

The settling down thing might be the most beautiful ending for you. But I can assure you that it is hardly universal.

@LET again

Or it might just be coincidence that all three ME1 LIs are "fertile". (Actually, we don't know that - Kaiden and/or Ashley might be sterile for some reason or other, and it just never came up in the game.)


Apologies for the length and perhaps the incoherancy, but I'm trying to get myself to bed... So I can come back to 10 more pages tomorrow morning. >.<

[Ulathar]

Zandilar wrote...
@Systemlord Baal
Not everyone thinks that settling down and "starting a family" is the Happily Ever After ending for them.

And I didn't say that everyone thinks or should think so. I merely pointed out that Shepard would be entitled to settle down. There are many possibilities. :-)

Modifié par Systemlord Baal, 16 mars 2010 - 01:19 .

[bjdbwea]

In a perfect world, the player would be able to choose between some different futures for their Shepard, and the epilogues would play out different accordingly. Not with text boxes, but with actual cutscenes. In a perfect world. I for one would be perfectly willing to accept a shorter game if they invest a lot of work into many different endings. But as it is, this is all obsolete anyway if they take the most lazy route and force Shepard to sacrifice him/herself.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 16 mars 2010 - 01:24 .

[Ulathar]

DA had more than the sacrifice-ending so I'm hoping they can do something similar with ME3. I'm still confident.........well, I am! xD

Modifié par Systemlord Baal, 16 mars 2010 - 01:31 .

[Nynaeve]

Even though I too, like the settling down idea, I just don't see it for my Shep and Liara either. She's seen too much action to simply be able to switch off and be a normal civilian. What I would like to see is her and Liara travelling the galaxy to help rebuild. Lets face it, the reaper war is going to be a big one, leaving loads of destruction in its wake, and who better to lend a helping hand than Shep, I don't think she could stop and settle down if she tried!

[Jarcander]

Little Mama wrote...

"Though ... I have heard disturbing rumors about *cough* safety tests in your quarters.  With that ... that ... "



" ... that YEOMAN."

Shepard: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I love that expression.

[ratzerman]

So many awesome pictures....... I'm suddenly in a much better mood.