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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:29

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tamperous wrote...


I'd imagine that the Humanity FIrst types would hate the Asari, (possibly even more than Turians). Someone who joins in a relationship with an Asari:

1) produces only Asari offspring, the genetic potential is lost to future human children.
2) potentially loses the ability to produce human offspring for life if its a committed bonding relationship, since asari always outlive humans. It's not like Shep will outlive Liara and remarry.

I'd imagine that attitudes would be doubly bad for human women that go Asari. Men can always have a quickie fling with some young human woman as he gets older leaving her to raise a kid as a single parent.  I suppose a woman could have some sort of donor produce a human child but would a space career minded woman who's likely to meet an Asari (already older by the time she's looking) have enough time on her biological clock by the time she remembers?

Also if too many women entered Asari relationships there is a potential of many unattached young males. This always stresses societies, Gangs and Violence etc.

I imagine TIM using the lies he does in ME2 to break-up my Jane and Liara because of some of these attitudes.


Yeah, that's a very interesting way of RPing Shep and Liara's relationship. I'd imagine that it feels pretty good to have the pair of them endure all the bigotry and hate and still have Liara and Shep come out deeply in love with each other, their relationship as strong as ever.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:38

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I'm rifling through J's Liara picture collection, and I feel like posting one. Sorry J.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:50

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Here comes couple random screenies from Feros .


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It's so hard to capture good Liara screenshots outside Normandy but i hope you will like those ^_^.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:51

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, that's a very interesting way of RPing Shep and Liara's relationship. I'd imagine that it feels pretty good to have the pair of them endure all the bigotry and hate and still have Liara and Shep come out deeply in love with each other, their relationship as strong as ever.


I don't think the majority of humans care about Human/Asari relationships, but I like the subtext it brings to the TIM/Shep relationship. A lot of the conversations between Shep and Tim are very generic but if you read TIM as a future proto-fascist setting up the founding myth of a future Human Galactic Dominion its a lot richer.

Like when he asks Shep after Horizon if she's severed all her old relationships. Then he sends her to Illium knowing he's loaded the deck against Liara,

He wants Shep to be a Human/Cerberus poster child for his propaganda holos. You can bet if TIM became leader of humanity, and Shep refuses to be used like this eventually, she'll die in some incident blamed on aliens, and TIM will then airbrush Liara out of all the official historical documents.

Yeah my Shep hates TIM.

Modifié par tamperous, 17 mars 2010 - 12:52 .

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:53

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General Stubbs wrote...

Zandilar wrote...
@General Stubbs

A lot of players out there default Shepard to "he" most likely because the promos for ME2 completely excluded any possibility of Shepard being female. I know they did it for consistancy, but honestly it was a mistake.

Aparently there's no "canon" Shepard, but the presence of Sheploo in the trailers and promos promotes the idea that the default Shepard is male. (She isn't - there are two default Shepards, one male, one female.)

That makes sense.
So I can call Shep "she" without offending anyone.


I think the ME wiki attempted to figure out exactly what was canon about Shepard, and came up with --
  • Born on '04.11.2154', but no indication if it's April 11th or November 4th.  (Plus it's from a promo that clearly states Garrus and Wrex were associates, which actually is not clear-cut canon, you can skip one or the other.)
  • Entered the military at age 18, more or less.
  • Entered and passed Special Forces Training.
  • Is a Lieutenant Commander in the Alliance Navy.
  • Is the first human Spectre.
  • Defeated Saren and saved the Citadel.
  • Died in 2183.
  • UN-died in 2185.  (Thank you, Stephen Pastis.)
That, is about it.  No background has even established Shepard's mom's name outside of Spacer backgrounds.  So, anyone offended by your and my calling Shepard 'she' a lot ... or confused about how I'm talking how LiLi and Shepard should be wearing dresses at their wedding/joining... has no right to be.  My Spacer/War Hero soldier Alyna is just as canon as my Spacer/Sole Survivor Vanguard Anya.  (I go for A names, preferably with superfluous 'y's.  Can you tell?)

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:59

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'm rifling through J's Liara picture collection, and I feel like posting one. Sorry J.

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Oooh!  I forgot about that one!!!  When rifling, don't mind the occasionaly non-Liara pic.  Some of them snuck into my Liara folder.  Sneaky devils!!

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 12:59

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I have a question for the Liara fans, would anyone indulge me?

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:02

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Ok

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:04

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Alright what do the Liara fans think of the ME2 LI's and of Liara's new personality?

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:07

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Alright what do the Liara fans think of the ME2 LI's and of Liara's new personality?


From what I can tell, we either think it's a facade thrown up to protect her in her new life, or else massively out of character.  I personally lean toward a facade, or a shell if you will.

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JaylaClark wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Alright what do the Liara fans think of the ME2 LI's and of Liara's new personality?


From what I can tell, we either think it's a facade thrown up to protect her in her new life, or else massively out of character.  I personally lean toward a facade, or a shell if you will.

What if if's genuine and she's really gone all dark side on everyone?

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Well, her personality does make sense in ME2 after all the hell she has been through.
The only reason her personality has changed is because he had to harden herself after Shepard died.
You can still see the old Liara in there depending on what dialogue choices you choose.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:12

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General Stubbs wrote...

Well, her personality does make sense in ME2 after all the hell she has been through.
The only reason her personality has changed is because he had to harden herself after Shepard died.
You can still see the old Liara in there depending on what dialogue choices you choose.

So what if she stays "evil" in ME3? What would be your reaction to that?

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:12

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JaylaClark wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Zandilar wrote...
@General Stubbs

A lot of players out there default Shepard to "he" most likely because the promos for ME2 completely excluded any possibility of Shepard being female. I know they did it for consistancy, but honestly it was a mistake.

Aparently there's no "canon" Shepard, but the presence of Sheploo in the trailers and promos promotes the idea that the default Shepard is male. (She isn't - there are two default Shepards, one male, one female.)

That makes sense.
So I can call Shep "she" without offending anyone.


I think the ME wiki attempted to figure out exactly what was canon about Shepard, and came up with --
  • Born on '04.11.2154', but no indication if it's April 11th or November 4th.  (Plus it's from a promo that clearly states Garrus and Wrex were associates, which actually is not clear-cut canon, you can skip one or the other.)
  • Entered the military at age 18, more or less.
  • Entered and passed Special Forces Training.
  • Is a Lieutenant Commander in the Alliance Navy.
  • Is the first human Spectre.
  • Defeated Saren and saved the Citadel.
  • Died in 2183.
  • UN-died in 2185.  (Thank you, Stephen Pastis.)
That, is about it.  No background has even established Shepard's mom's name outside of Spacer backgrounds.  So, anyone offended by your and my calling Shepard 'she' a lot ... or confused about how I'm talking how LiLi and Shepard should be wearing dresses at their wedding/joining... has no right to be.  My Spacer/War Hero soldier Alyna is just as canon as my Spacer/Sole Survivor Vanguard Anya.  (I go for A names, preferably with superfluous 'y's.  Can you tell?)

So there isn't really any "canon Shep" your Shep is Shep.
Good to know, I will call Shep "she" from now on.

It would be interestingto see Liara and Shep in a dress during the marriage/joining in ME3, I would love a conversation about the marriage ahead of time it would be cute to see Shepard talk about wearing a dress with Liara.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:16

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Well, her personality does make sense in ME2 after all the hell she has been through.
The only reason her personality has changed is because he had to harden herself after Shepard died.
You can still see the old Liara in there depending on what dialogue choices you choose.

So what if she stays "evil" in ME3? What would be your reaction to that?

At this point, I think it is impossible for her to stay the way she is.
There is heavily rumoured Liara/SB DLC that we believe would setup Liara's personality for ME3 and allow Shep to help her get rid of her negative emotions.
There are also indicators to the DLC in the actual game.
The story wouldn't really make any sense for her to stay "evil" in ME3 either.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:17

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I will be honest Liara fans, I have two Shepard's one Femshep and one Maleshep, Femshep stayed loyal to Liara and Maleshep went with Tali.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:19

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That's good, it is always nice to see someone who stayed loyal to Liara. (I am sure everyone here has. Some of us don't even have the Paramour achievement).

Modifié par General Stubbs, 17 mars 2010 - 01:20 .

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General Stubbs wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Well, her personality does make sense in ME2 after all the hell she has been through.
The only reason her personality has changed is because he had to harden herself after Shepard died.
You can still see the old Liara in there depending on what dialogue choices you choose.

So what if she stays "evil" in ME3? What would be your reaction to that?

At this point, I think it is impossible for her to stay the way she is.
There is heavily rumoured Liara/SB DLC that we believe would setup Liara's personality for ME3 and allow Shep to help her get rid of her negative emotions.
There are also indicators to the DLC in the actual game.
The story wouldn't really make any sense for her to stay "evil" in ME3 either.

But you missed my question, if she stays "evil" what will you think?

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:23

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Alright what do the Liara fans think of the ME2 LI's and of Liara's new personality?


As far as the ME 2 LIs are concerned: As far as I can see, we usually don't tend to speak bad about other characters, and what would be the point anyway? But as far as the writing and the implementation by the developers is concerned: All romances in ME 2 feel much more shallow and superficial to me than the romances in ME 1. The romances in ME 1 go beyond talking about and experiencing a love scene, they have depth and a connection to the main story.

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

But you missed my question, if she stays "evil" what will you think?


If there's no chance for the player to get back her former self, I would probably not buy ME 3 and imagine my own conclusion to the story.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 mars 2010 - 01:25 .

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Well, her personality does make sense in ME2 after all the hell she has been through.
The only reason her personality has changed is because he had to harden herself after Shepard died.
You can still see the old Liara in there depending on what dialogue choices you choose.

So what if she stays "evil" in ME3? What would be your reaction to that?

At this point, I think it is impossible for her to stay the way she is.
There is heavily rumoured Liara/SB DLC that we believe would setup Liara's personality for ME3 and allow Shep to help her get rid of her negative emotions.
There are also indicators to the DLC in the actual game.
The story wouldn't really make any sense for her to stay "evil" in ME3 either.

But you missed my question, if she stays "evil" what will you think?

I am guessing you mean if there was no other option but for her to stay evil, what would I do.
Well, I would probably always double check every BioWare game after that and never pre-order one of their games again.
I probably wouldn't buy ME3 at all, I would never trust them again if they did something like that.

In the actual game itself, I would be heartbroken if Liara stayed emtionally suffering (or "evil" as some people call it) and we weren't able to help her.
Like I said, I could never imagine BioWare doing something like that.
It would be the exact opposite story they have set up.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:29

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

But you missed my question, if she stays "evil" what will you think?

I honestly think it's not in her nature to be "evil." She may be hardened (har har har) but she's still young, and there's still way too much that we haven't seen. We don't really know what's going on with her, so your question isn't really answerable at the moment. Come back in a few months. :P

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:29

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Wow that's devotion *salutes*.

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Posté 17 mars 2010 - 01:33

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Well, her personality does make sense in ME2 after all the hell she has been through.
The only reason her personality has changed is because he had to harden herself after Shepard died.
You can still see the old Liara in there depending on what dialogue choices you choose.

So what if she stays "evil" in ME3? What would be your reaction to that?

At this point, I think it is impossible for her to stay the way she is.
There is heavily rumoured Liara/SB DLC that we believe would setup Liara's personality for ME3 and allow Shep to help her get rid of her negative emotions.
There are also indicators to the DLC in the actual game.
The story wouldn't really make any sense for her to stay "evil" in ME3 either.

But you missed my question, if she stays "evil" what will you think?


That's easy.  She isn't.

Like JP said in an earlier post, she seems to have killed a lot fewer people than Garrus over the past two years, and no one is calling him evil.

But I assume you mean 'if her personality stays grimDark!', to borrow Nozy's term for it.  And I really wouldn't like it to stay that way without some serious explanation, though some would like her to stay 'hardened' (to use the DA:O term, which also seems appropriate), because they think it makes good character sense.  Now I really don't expect her to be the type to be able to sustain this level of bitterness, which is behind the darkness pretty clearly, whenever the target of her bitterness is gone.  So SB goes poof, and Liara's personality changes.  (I agree that it might not change all the way back, just that it would have to lighten some.)

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General Stubbs wrote...

That's good, it is always nice to see someone who stayed loyal to Liara. (I am sure everyone here has. Some of us don't even have the Paramour achievement).

To be fair it was alot easier to stay loyal with my Femshep none of ME2's LI's for her really had any appeal.

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Darth Cheesecake wrote...

I will be honest Liara fans, I have two Shepard's one Femshep and one Maleshep, Femshep stayed loyal to Liara and Maleshep went with Tali.

I am suprised to hear you say that.<_<
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