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[JPfanner]

I'm very much interested in learning what it was that the Collectors offered the Shadow Broker. Despite what some people think, the Shadow Broker isn't Darth Vader. He's pretty much a white collar criminal with the obligatory henchman and cool hidden base on a remote world for a science fiction setting. Anderson even tells you he only exists by carefully striking a balance.

So all the "hands on" work he's doing with the transaction raises a lot of flags. Even in the comics, Liara and Feron both bring that up. The Shadow Broker hired the blue suns to recover the body, then to ambush Liara and Feron on Omega, then sent his one and only personal enforcer to pick up the body and deliver it to his personal base, then they're doing the transaction there in the base with a Harbinger controlled Collector. All of that is a very long way from the impartial selling of information to the highest bidder.

[Driveninhifi]

I'm not sure they're really going into depth with her character - if she is heavily driven by guilt ME2 was the correct place to address those issues. The interaction feels irrelevant because of this.



The most likely chain of events is that Feron works for Cerberus, gets killed because of her and she gives the body to Cerberus. Then she assumes Feron's job of fighting the Shadow Broker, with the caveat that she stays away from Shepard.



That makes way more sense based on what we've been given - having it only be about avenging Feron and Shepard has too many holes in it. What could Feron possibly do in one issue that warrants 2 years of obsession?



It makes total sense that Shepard would fuel that, but having Shepard come back to life and not impact her motivation heavily makes no sense at all unless there is some third party keeping her away/quiet. She risks her life to see Shepard again, and lets him/her walk out of her office to die without saying a word? That's totally unbelievable, no matter how badly she wants to take down the Shadow Broker. There's a huge piece missing - hopefully the last comic contains it.

[Noxis6]

JPfanner wrote...

I'm very much interested in learning what it was that the Collectors offered the Shadow Broker. Despite what some people think, the Shadow Broker isn't Darth Vader. He's pretty much a white collar criminal with the obligatory henchman and cool hidden base on a remote world for a science fiction setting. Anderson even tells you he only exists by carefully striking a balance.
So all the "hands on" work he's doing with the transaction raises a lot of flags. Even in the comics, Liara and Feron both bring that up. The Shadow Broker hired the blue suns to recover the body, then to ambush Liara and Feron on Omega, then sent his one and only personal enforcer to pick up the body and deliver it to his personal base, then they're doing the transaction there in the base with a Harbinger controlled Collector. All of that is a very long way from the impartial selling of information to the highest bidder.

Its not that hard to figure out,the Collectors posses knowledge and technology unmatched by everything anyone else could offer,as a being that is interested in profit above everything else thats a once in a lifetime deal worth being a bit more "hands on"
And that the deal is supposed to happen on his homeground is not that suprising at all,even he knows virtually nothing about the collectors I guess aside from that they are advanced aliens with unusual tastes,I guess he wants to make sure they dont srew him over

[Driveninhifi]

Even if the SB is working for the Collectors (as seems likely), there's still a pretty big hole in Liara's motivation. Shepard is going after the Collectors directly - the SB is just a lackey. She's smart enough to understand that hitting the source is more effective. Even if the SB escapes, the Collectors must be providing him substantial support (tech, etc); removing that support would weaken him greatly.



You could argue that she's worried for Feron, but, again, she's barely known the guy and I'd think her feelings for Shepard would override that (especially since Shepard could easily die again).

[Noxis6]

double post

Modifié par Noxis6, 17 mars 2010 - 11:39 .

[Driveninhifi]

Well, Liara definitely implies the SB is working for the Collectors in the game. "Whatever he's doing with the Collectors..." so it's probably more than just Shepard's body.



The SB could be feeding the Collectors likely colonies to attack, etc. If the money is good, why wouldn't he work with them? He can't care about a bunch of human colonies - the SB probably isn't human anyway.



Odd to not go into it in ME2 itself, but that just goes with the common "lack of development in the conversation" complaint.

[JPfanner]

Noxis6 wrote...
Its not that hard to figure out,the Collectors posses knowledge and technology unmatched by everything anyone else could offer,as a being that is interested in profit above everything else thats a once in a lifetime deal worth being a bit more "hands on"
And that the deal is supposed to happen on his homeground is not that suprising at all,even he knows virtually nothing about the collectors I guess aside from that they are advanced aliens with unusual tastes,I guess he wants to make sure they dont srew him over

Those are generalities though.  It was significant enough that Feron stopped Liara from going after the body immediately so that they could find out exactly what the Shadow Broker was getting out of the deal and what the specifics of that deal were.  That whole thing in the computer room took up a lot of pages of comic.  I already know he was getting something cool, I'm interested in what that cool thing is.

[Sleepicub09]

 

[JPfanner]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Even if the SB is working for the Collectors (as seems likely), there's still a pretty big hole in Liara's motivation. Shepard is going after the Collectors directly - the SB is just a lackey. She's smart enough to understand that hitting the source is more effective. Even if the SB escapes, the Collectors must be providing him substantial support (tech, etc); removing that support would weaken him greatly.

You could argue that she's worried for Feron, but, again, she's barely known the guy and I'd think her feelings for Shepard would override that (especially since Shepard could easily die again).

We pretty much run into the "ME1 LI's are not going to be squadmates in ME2" design mandate after a certain amount of speculation with any motivations for the characters or what is going on in the galaxy.

[Noxis6]

Another possible explaination for that line could be that its a leftover from the cut content,on the other yes he could feed them intel on human colonies and their defenses.

But as in many other things ME2 lacks to deliver any indications for that,infact the Shadow Broker is not really present in the game at all

[morrie23]

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Modifié par morrie23, 17 mars 2010 - 11:58 .

[Driveninhifi]

JPfanner wrote...
We pretty much run into the "ME1 LI's are not going to be squadmates in ME2" design mandate after a certain amount of speculation with any motivations for the characters or what is going on in the galaxy.

Yeah, that's very true - and it really brings down the writing of those portions in my opinion. It's unfortunate they feel so forced - the hand of the authors is way, way too obvious in those situations.

[morrie23]

I've seen it, she kicks arse, lots.