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[bjdbwea]

The problem is that everyone has their own Shepard. It wouldn't look quite "right" for everyone else. But technically, it would have been no problem for the developers to create such a picture on-the-fly for every player. But that would have already required more effort than, let's say, writing and recording five additional lines for the Illium scene, and since even that was obviously too much asked for, well...

[screwoffreg]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
I sympathize with the writers as I imagine they are all very accomplished and, if they even read this forum, realize they left plotholes large enough to fly a tractor trailer through, but with deadlines and scripts changing, you do the best you can. At least, thats what I hope was the case...

Well to be totally honest, my sympathies for the complexities of writing for a changing medium like a game in development is mitigated by my paying them money for the end result of their work.

Right.  Presumably they are getting paid to write good content, even in rushed situations.  That's what they do.  And any time they want to trade their job for mine and put all that pressure on me to produce solid written material in a changing medium under duress I will gladly trade.  I have pressures too and I still manage to do a good job.

Are you guys really this upset with ME2?

Getting paid for your work also entails having someone over you with creative and deadline control though.  When I, or anyone else, writes a fanfiction story its purely out of enjoyment and we don't expect to get anything other than a few views and some comments.  We can take our time, be free to be liberal with the plot, and all sorts of things paid writers can sometimes only dream of.  Movies can have some flexibility with their massive budgets and huge staffs, but videogames are much smaller operations and when you are having to write dialogue, events, background, and everything else, something has to give.

The writing staff was probably tasked with: Make Liara/Ashley/Kaiden seem somewhat unappealing to encourage cheating/moving/new storylines.  The result is what they came up with.  I could criticize their work, but considering I am probably a mediocre writer, at best, I feel thats a bit presumptuous.

[Marcin K]

General Stubbs wrote...

I think after the events of Warhammer 40k, Humanity lost all knowledge of fish feeding, how to reply to emails, and how to create a good image.

LOL EPIC!!!!:lol:
should be put on new Warhammer chaos rising game promo! and u mean it!
guess what...new page so it's PIC TIME! BAM!

Modifié par Marcin R, 18 mars 2010 - 06:16 .

[bjdbwea]

screwoffreg wrote...

The writing staff was probably tasked with: Make Liara/Ashley/Kaiden seem somewhat unappealing to encourage cheating/moving/new storylines.  The result is what they came up with.  I could criticize their work, but considering I am probably a mediocre writer, at best, I feel thats a bit presumptuous.

I don't know about that. You don't need to be a writer to recognize bad writing, like you don't need to know how to build your own car to be able to tell if it drives well or bad. I think we have every right to criticize their work. It probably doesn't change anything, but in the end my opinion decides whether or not I will buy their next game.

And indeed, I think ME 2 has many more flaws than just the botched Liara scene. This is not really the thread for an in-depth discussion of that, but two words sum up my opinion of the main story writing and presentation: Bad joke. I don't care that it's still better than all the other crap that sells so well. This is BioWare, and I expected much better from them. I have many more complaints about the game. So to answer that question from above: Yes, I am very upset about how the game turned out. This was already the last deciding element that stopped me from pre-ordering Awakening (probably won't get it at all after reading reviews), and I will definitely not pre-order ME 3 either.

By the way, I read some of your stuff, screwoffreg, and it's not "mediocre", it's very nice.

[Yeled]

Luke_Shepard wrote...

My issue 3 of Redemption arrived today, just about to read it now, I need my fix of the BBG

Also I agree a picture of Liara and Shep in your cabin would have been so nice, I like to think in my mind that Liara has such a picture on her desk in her office on Illium

That would have been great!

Liara: "I have to find the Shadow Broker.  One day he'll slip up and..."

Shepard (paragon interrupt):  "What's this, Liara?"

Liara:  "...hmmm, what?"

Shepard: "This.  Right here on your desk.  Why is that picture frame laying flat on the desk and stuffed under a bunch of papers?"

Liara (innocently):  "Oh, that?  That's nothing.  Anyway, the Shadow Broker..."

Shepard:  "What's it a picture of?  Here, let me see it."

Liara:  "No, Shepard, really, its nothing.  I dont think..."

*Shep reaches for picture.  Liara reacts and tries to stop her.  They both take hold of the picture frame and a brief struggle ensues, ending with Liara relenting and Shep turning the picture over to reveal a picture of them together.*

Shepard:  "Its a picture of...us!"

Liara:  "Goddess, Shepard, I didn't want you to see that!"

Shepard:  "So you do care!  You have feelings for me!  Why didn't you just tell me?"

Liara:  "I...I...I...thought you would hate me."

Shepard:  "What?  Why?  I could never hate you.  I love you!"


And the conversation could continue from there. 

[JaylaClark]

Well I like the game, I just don't quite love it like I do the first one, due to parts of the story... But I actually don't blame the writers. I blame EA, because the story is clearly rushed, and ... hell, BW wouldn't push out a game before it's done, right? Not unless they had to.

And LiLi is pretty clearly one of the biggest victims of that.

[Luke_Shepard]

Yeled wrote...

Luke_Shepard wrote...

My issue 3 of Redemption arrived today, just about to read it now, I need my fix of the BBG

Also I agree a picture of Liara and Shep in your cabin would have been so nice, I like to think in my mind that Liara has such a picture on her desk in her office on Illium

That would have been great!

Liara: "I have to find the Shadow Broker.  One day he'll slip up and..."

Shepard (paragon interrupt):  "What's this, Liara?"

Liara:  "...hmmm, what?"

Shepard: "This.  Right here on your desk.  Why is that picture frame laying flat on the desk and stuffed under a bunch of papers?"

Liara (innocently):  "Oh, that?  That's nothing.  Anyway, the Shadow Broker..."

Shepard:  "What's it a picture of?  Here, let me see it."

Liara:  "No, Shepard, really, its nothing.  I dont think..."

*Shep reaches for picture.  Liara reacts and tries to stop her.  They both take hold of the picture frame and a brief struggle ensues, ending with Liara relenting and Shep turning the picture over to reveal a picture of them together.*

Shepard:  "Its a picture of...us!"

Liara:  "Goddess, Shepard, I didn't want you to see that!"

Shepard:  "So you do care!  You have feelings for me!  Why didn't you just tell me?"

Liara:  "I...I...I...thought you would hate me."

Shepard:  "What?  Why?  I could never hate you.  I love you!"


And the conversation could continue from there. 

Awww poor Liara, would have loved to have had that as a possible conversation.

Just finished reading the comic and I now CANNOT wait for issue 4 after that cliffhanger ending.  I'm also expecting something big to explain why Liara is exactly acting the way she is.

[Heart Collector]

And the conversation could continue from there. 

I can see the end of the convo:

-Shepard: I should go.
-Liara: FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU...

[Marcin K]

Littledoom wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I think after the events of Warhammer 40k, Humanity lost all knowledge of fish feeding, how to reply to emails, and how to create a good image.

LOL EPIC!!!!:lol:
should be put on new Warhammer chaos rising game promo! and u mean it!
guess what...new page so it's PIC TIME! BAM!

Hay! What is my Shep and Liaras love pic doing in your post!? Damn paparazzis! :lol:

there was no disclaimer that is it forbidden so by definition it is allowed:bandit:it's XXI century co *CLICK* and here goes:devil::devil::bandit::bandit:
especially if you are reading this at same time 

Modifié par Marcin R, 18 mars 2010 - 06:57 .

[Marcin K]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Anyone ever notice the picture frame on the other desk in Shepard's cabin?
There is nothing showing in it, and I always wondered what its purpose was. Any ideas?

The only purpose of the desk was when Shepard was standing by it looking at some holobook thing in Tali's romance scene.

it's obvious really: it's for pic of Shep when Liara will come and reside @ second desk:D

[Relshar]

She and Wrex were the only non squad members from ME1 and cast that didn't blow me out. I would have them two back any day. As for Ashley and Alinko they can go and take a runing jump.

[screwoffreg]

Relshar wrote...

She and Wrex were the only non squad members from ME1 and cast that didn't blow me out. I would have them two back any day. As for Ashley and Alinko they can go and take a runing jump.

I actually read a well written fanfiction that had Liara and Ashley falling in love.  The descriptions of them "being intimate" were rather wild.  It doesn't fit eithers personality (Ashley seemed more like a fem-shep with a different name), but still...something to think about .

Modifié par screwoffreg, 18 mars 2010 - 07:16 .