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[Yeled]

Relshar wrote...

She and Wrex were the only non squad members from ME1 and cast that didn't blow me out. I would have them two back any day. As for Ashley and Alinko they can go and take a runing jump.

Playing through ME1 again I'm finding I like Kaiden and Ashley a lot.  I think last time I played I was underwhelmed by them, but I'm really enjoying how down to earth they are.  They aren't in the story because they are cool and have sleak look and a crazy backstory.  They are marines on an alliance vessel...as they should be.  Its surprisingly refreshing.

ME1 has a very different feel than ME2.  Its not just that the story is better.  Its got a certain mood and theme that somehow gets lost in the sequal.  The game is about wonder and discovery in a strange galaxy, and how humans are struggling to find their place in it.  Even the opening music when you load up the game is sort of mellow and introspective.  Its not really an action game like ME2 is. 

[screwoffreg]

One thing we do have to consider is the possibility Liara ascends to the Shadow Broker position. It seemed to be the original plan, and if they stick to it...well it raises a lot of questions.



Can Liara change a dark and amoral organization or will she be changed by it? If anyone ever watched the Wire, you'd know the answer is institutions have their own momentum, and people just get swept up in them, despite their best intentions...



It would also offer some deep conflicts in the relationship. Can you love a Liara who is changing so much? Can you even trust her anymore? Was the Illusive Man right to squelch your pursuit of her? The ways they could go with this would be insane...



We may not stomach it well at the beginning, but sometimes it is those moments that challenge or deeply held notions that CAN, if well written, offer the best story.



"This is what I was meant to do, Shepard. I am sorry..." Liara

[Yeled]

screwoffreg wrote...

Relshar wrote...

She and Wrex were the only non squad members from ME1 and cast that didn't blow me out. I would have them two back any day. As for Ashley and Alinko they can go and take a runing jump.

I actually read a well written fanfiction that had Liara and Ashley falling in love.  The descriptions of them "being intimate" were rather wild.  It doesn't fit eithers personality (Ashley seemed more like a fem-shep with a different name), but still...something to think about .

I read your Distance Between Two Stars fanfic.  Very nice.  And I liked how dark you made it, without being grimDark.

[Yeled]

screwoffreg wrote...

One thing we do have to consider is the possibility Liara ascends to the Shadow Broker position. It seemed to be the original plan, and if they stick to it...well it raises a lot of questions.

Can Liara change a dark and amoral organization or will she be changed by it? If anyone ever watched the Wire, you'd know the answer is institutions have their own momentum, and people just get swept up in them, despite their best intentions...

It would also offer some deep conflicts in the relationship. Can you love a Liara who is changing so much? Can you even trust her anymore? Was the Illusive Man right to squelch your pursuit of her? The ways they could go with this would be insane...

We may not stomach it well at the beginning, but sometimes it is those moments that challenge or deeply held notions that CAN, if well written, offer the best story.

"This is what I was meant to do, Shepard. I am sorry..." Liara

I totally agree with you.  And quite frankly I'd be all for a compelling story in which Liara undergoes some serious emotional anguish, and Shep's relationship with her (friend or lover) undergoes some serious tests.

What I wouldn't like is if the relationship is doomed from the get go, and the story is about how the two of them have a falling out no matter what.  But somehow that doesn't seem BioWare's style.

[screwoffreg]

Yeled wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

One thing we do have to consider is the possibility Liara ascends to the Shadow Broker position. It seemed to be the original plan, and if they stick to it...well it raises a lot of questions.

Can Liara change a dark and amoral organization or will she be changed by it? If anyone ever watched the Wire, you'd know the answer is institutions have their own momentum, and people just get swept up in them, despite their best intentions...

It would also offer some deep conflicts in the relationship. Can you love a Liara who is changing so much? Can you even trust her anymore? Was the Illusive Man right to squelch your pursuit of her? The ways they could go with this would be insane...

We may not stomach it well at the beginning, but sometimes it is those moments that challenge or deeply held notions that CAN, if well written, offer the best story.

"This is what I was meant to do, Shepard. I am sorry..." Liara

I totally agree with you.  And quite frankly I'd be all for a compelling story in which Liara undergoes some serious emotional anguish, and Shep's relationship with her (friend or lover) undergoes some serious tests.

What I wouldn't like is if the relationship is doomed from the get go, and the story is about how the two of them have a falling out no matter what.  But somehow that doesn't seem BioWare's style.

Part of me is really excited by the plot implications of a change like this.  Liara the Shadow Broker.  Alien, a former lover, but now powerful with true intentions unknown.  is it in her nature to be like her Mother, or can she really be different?  Can she be counted on as an ally or an impediment?  You always knew the Illusive Man was using you, and for as many times as he backstabs you, he KNOWS his real enemy, the Reapers.  Can Liara even see that anymore?

Maybe I'll even write something about that...interesting.

[Marcin K]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

One thing we do have to consider is the possibility Liara ascends to the Shadow Broker position. It seemed to be the original plan, and if they stick to it...well it raises a lot of questions.

Can Liara change a dark and amoral organization or will she be changed by it? If anyone ever watched the Wire, you'd know the answer is institutions have their own momentum, and people just get swept up in them, despite their best intentions...

It would also offer some deep conflicts in the relationship. Can you love a Liara who is changing so much? Can you even trust her anymore? Was the Illusive Man right to squelch your pursuit of her? The ways they could go with this would be insane...

We may not stomach it well at the beginning, but sometimes it is those moments that challenge or deeply held notions that CAN, if well written, offer the best story.

"This is what I was meant to do, Shepard. I am sorry..." Liara

I totally agree with you.  And quite frankly I'd be all for a compelling story in which Liara undergoes some serious emotional anguish, and Shep's relationship with her (friend or lover) undergoes some serious tests.

What I wouldn't like is if the relationship is doomed from the get go, and the story is about how the two of them have a falling out no matter what.  But somehow that doesn't seem BioWare's style.

If anything they might make her troubled and dark, and need Shepard to snap her out of it, I cant see BW making it a time to move on kind of thing. At least they better not.

they  better not or we....*finish sentence*

[bjdbwea]

Yeled wrote...

ME1 has a very different feel than ME2.  Its not just that the story is better.  Its got a certain mood and theme that somehow gets lost in the sequal.  The game is about wonder and discovery in a strange galaxy, and how humans are struggling to find their place in it.  Even the opening music when you load up the game is sort of mellow and introspective.  Its not really an action game like ME2 is. 

ME 1 is a piece of art. ME 2 is a game. <_<

ME 1 was what I hoped to be a preview of how the next generation of games would be. But not only does the industry continue to release crap after crap (and the masses buy it), but ME 2 too went ten steps back from ME 1. But it is as someone else said: BioWare was independent when they developed ME 1...

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 mars 2010 - 07:42 .

[screwoffreg]

Casey Hudson said we need to get out of the mode of thinking that for a character to be important they need to be in the squad..



Still, considering how it seemed they were going to ORIGINALLY handle the transition to Shadow Broker for Liara, it seemed very poorly done and the dialogue was laughable...

"Liara, I have information for you."

"Cool, lets kill that bad guy..."

"Ok come with me now."

"Naw, I got **** to do, lol. Trolled!"



Maybe they will dress it up more, but seeing Liara on the pre-mission rundown instead of TIM would be wild. I wonder how they would write the romance conclusion though, as the developers also said that all ME 1 romances would find an ending in ME 3. How can you romance someone you dont see or barely trust?

[screwoffreg]

Somebody1003 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Casey Hudson said we need to get out of the mode of thinking that for a character to be important they need to be in the squad..

Still, considering how it seemed they were going to ORIGINALLY handle the transition to Shadow Broker for Liara, it seemed very poorly done and the dialogue was laughable...
"Liara, I have information for you."
"Cool, lets kill that bad guy..."
"Ok come with me now."
"Naw, I got **** to do, lol. Trolled!"

Maybe they will dress it up more, but seeing Liara on the pre-mission rundown instead of TIM would be wild. I wonder how they would write the romance conclusion though, as the developers also said that all ME 1 romances would find an ending in ME 3. How can you romance someone you dont see or barely trust?

I seriously hope that what he said doesnt mean that Liara wont be a squad member in ME3.

It probably applies just as much to Wrex and any of the ME 2 sqad mates who are clearly leaving (Samara being one). 

[screwoffreg]

Somebody1003 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Casey Hudson said we need to get out of the mode of thinking that for a character to be important they need to be in the squad..

Still, considering how it seemed they were going to ORIGINALLY handle the transition to Shadow Broker for Liara, it seemed very poorly done and the dialogue was laughable...
"Liara, I have information for you."
"Cool, lets kill that bad guy..."
"Ok come with me now."
"Naw, I got **** to do, lol. Trolled!"

Maybe they will dress it up more, but seeing Liara on the pre-mission rundown instead of TIM would be wild. I wonder how they would write the romance conclusion though, as the developers also said that all ME 1 romances would find an ending in ME 3. How can you romance someone you dont see or barely trust?

I seriously hope that what he said doesnt mean that Liara wont be a squad member in ME3.

It probably applies just as much to Wrex and any of the ME 2 sqad mates who are clearly leaving (Samara being one). 

Well I just hope it doesnt apply to Liara in ME3. However, Samara did say that if Shepard called in the future she would answer.

I see everyone coming back at the end for a big battle in one form or the other.  Even Zaeed and Kasumi, as even if they are a bit "mercenary", how can you ignore the fight for existence?

[AndroLeonidas]

Somebody1003 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Did you read what I posted above? You're missing one vital fact: Liara doesn't want to be an information broker, and once the SB has gone she will want to join up with Shep again.

We'll see in the Liara DLC. I personally feel that Liara's really going to open her heart during the DLC, and admit her sorrorw, guilt and emotional torment. The poor girl's been through so much, all for Shepard, that at some point her defense mechanism will drop completely and she's going to need comforting and consoling. Badly.

I know, I feel the same way I dont think she likes being an information broker either, and she showed regret for not being able to join you. But I guess Im just a bit of a pessimist, and finding out that Liara wouldnt be an ME3 squaddie would kill me.


Im so anxious for the Liara dlc, I cant wait to finally get more Liara, and know just whats going on!

If that ends up being the case at the end of a DLC or expansion without you being able to save her from herself... to be quite honest I WILL NOT buy ME3. Sounds foolish I know... but once you start a romance as epic as I see Shep and Liara... you do not end it on a sorrowful note. Someone does not go through what she goes through to get your body to save you only to let you go again for real. Doesn't make any sense. I'm hoping Bioware does the right thing... but after the KOTOR series and how ME2 turned out story wise... I'm kind of up in the air.

[screwoffreg]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Did you read what I posted above? You're missing one vital fact: Liara doesn't want to be an information broker, and once the SB has gone she will want to join up with Shep again.

We'll see in the Liara DLC. I personally feel that Liara's really going to open her heart during the DLC, and admit her sorrorw, guilt and emotional torment. The poor girl's been through so much, all for Shepard, that at some point her defense mechanism will drop completely and she's going to need comforting and consoling. Badly.

I know, I feel the same way I dont think she likes being an information broker either, and she showed regret for not being able to join you. But I guess Im just a bit of a pessimist, and finding out that Liara wouldnt be an ME3 squaddie would kill me.


Im so anxious for the Liara dlc, I cant wait to finally get more Liara, and know just whats going on!

If that ends up being the case at the end of a DLC or expansion without you being able to save her from herself... to be quite honest I WILL NOT buy ME3. Sounds foolish I know... but once you start a romance as epic as I see Shep and Liara... you do not end it on a sorrowful note. Someone does not go through what she goes through to get your body to save you only to let you go again for real. Doesn't make any sense. I'm hoping Bioware does the right thing... but after the KOTOR series and how ME2 turned out story wise... I'm kind of up in the air.

Oh, I agree.  It sounds like she doesn't like her role.  The whole "debts to repay" and "friend to help" sounds coerced.  Still, I am only speaking from what the ORIGINAL dialogue states, so I am not making this up.  I too hope she returns to the Normandy for old times sakes.