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[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I just hope said Liara DLC/Expansion gives us the option to make Liara happy again, to hope relieve her of her guilt and emotional torment. I hate seeing her so sad!

same here:wizard:
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anyway have to go OFFLINE for night, so have a great [Liara-themed maybe]  night all:)
new page so i leave with pic:

cya tomorrow=]

Modifié par Marcin R, 18 mars 2010 - 09:15 .

[screwoffreg]

Even the whole friend thing doesn't make sense. Feron knew the business he was involved in, he knew what the risks were. Liara knew him for like a WEEK anyway, according to the comic timeline.



What is more important, helping an agent who is likely dead (why keep Feron alive?) or saving the damn galaxy from the biggest threat it has ever faced. Do you think the Reapers give two bits about Feron, the SB, or any of the piddling matters Liara concerns herself with?

[screwoffreg]

Miranda conveniently has NOTHING to say if you bring her to meet Liara. Either a huge oversight or intentional as there is some unstated secret in Cerberus about Liara...

[Yeled]

General Stubbs wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Even the whole friend thing doesn't make sense. Feron knew the business he was involved in, he knew what the risks were. Liara knew him for like a WEEK anyway, according to the comic timeline.

What is more important, helping an agent who is likely dead (why keep Feron alive?) or saving the damn galaxy from the biggest threat it has ever faced. Do you think the Reapers give two bits about Feron, the SB, or any of the piddling matters Liara concerns herself with?

I believe there is probably something we don't know.
I agree, it would be strange for Liara to devote so much of her time to rescue Feron after Shep is back as she barely knows him.
I am under the impression that there is a lot we don't know that will be explained in the Liara DLC.
Liara should know the stakes with the Reapers coming, I don't think she would try to take down the SB unless she was completely sure he was involved in something really, really bad.

If he's involved in something really, really bad, then she should tell Shep because its *that* important.  If its crucial enough that Liara needs to ingore the Collector threat Shep is dealing with, then it must be important for Shep to know what's going on, since apparently it concerns the Collector threat Shep is dealing with.

I might accept the "I have to save my friend" argument because Liara might feel a sense of duty to help him since he helped her.  Its obligation.  But you're right.  He's been gone two years.  Shep's mission is now and going to be over with soon.  And Shep might never come back.  Liara can always go back to pursuing him after the Suicide Mission.

Its just bad writing all around, and I don't care if the writers were rushed they should have produced something that made some ounce of sense.  Blame EA or the writers or the developers at BioWare.  Someone cut corners and made the scene absurd.  And that's only if you happen upon the actual dialogue that explains anything.  If not Liara just comes across as cold and uncaring and obsessed.

[bjdbwea]

I would like to believe that it's all part of a bigger plan, but with EA in charge and with all the other visible changes that brought, I simply doubt it. It all comes down to bad writing, and in the end the writers do share a big part of the blame in any case. Either they just can't do better (which I doubt) or they were forced to remove content, or they had an impossible time limit forced upon them. Possibly both of the latter. But even then, it can be done better with the same resources.

[Yeled]

screwoffreg wrote...

Miranda conveniently has NOTHING to say if you bring her to meet Liara. Either a huge oversight or intentional as there is some unstated secret in Cerberus about Liara...

I still go back to the point that you CAnNOT leave something hidden or unstated in a medium like this.  You have to imply, unambiguously, that something foul is going on, even if you don't state what it is.  You have to give clues. 

They didn't do this.  They simply hacked a poor scene together.  Any attempt to justify nonsensical behavior by assuming their must be something we can't see going on is merely providing excuses and justifications that don't exist in the context.  Its assuming facts not in evidence. 

Its simply bad writing in this scene.

Modifié par Yeled, 18 mars 2010 - 09:39 .

[screwoffreg]

We are ripping a lot of holes into the current plot that I hope ME 3 fixes, or at least an upcoming expansion. All stories have some holes in them, but these are pretty glaring. Hell, even notoriously dumb YouTube comments are catching a bad vibe here!

[Yeled]

My pessimism is getting the better of me. I found this little comic and it made me feel better:

Modifié par Yeled, 18 mars 2010 - 09:58 .

[Yeled]

This one is good too.

[Driveninhifi]

I've said many times that Feron is not a good motivator for two years of revenge. The only person that could elicit that in Liara should be Shepard him/herself, but that also falls apart if she knows Shepard is coming back to life.



Really, the only situation that makes sense is that Liara is working for Cerberus, but they are demanding she keep that quiet and stay away from Shepard. Then she has a ton of motivation to take the Shadow Broker down so she can reunite with Shepard.



I would assume the scene was written once, scrapped due to the comics, and then rewritten a whole bunch of times to try and get something out. They obviously don't want to spoil the comics and they also didn't want Liara on the Normandy. So you get this sort of half-finished thing that doesn't really make sense on most levels. It's really the worst writing in the game by far - it feels like they didn't quite know what they were going for.

[bjdbwea]

Everyone has certainly seen it already, but I like this one.