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Everyone has certainly seen it already, but I like this one.

I love that one, it is cute (Liara looks sexy in there, although I love her normal head). :wub:

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Bump for the BBG!

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:wub: Just how many pictures do you have of her?


Non... he is stealing them from me, well most of them anyway :P:lol:

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Even if Liara knows teh SB is working for the Collectors, it's much more effective to take out the source. I mentioned this the other day - she'd be smart enough to realize that eliminating the Collectors would severely weaken the Shadow Broker. Plus you'd think she'd care far more about the person she risked everything to bring back from the dead (who may be the love or her life) than someone she knew a week or so (even if he did help her get Shepard).



Too many holes....

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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Bump for the BBG!
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:wub: Just how many pictures do you have of her?


Ahem, they're not actually my pics. It's jlb's collection of Liara pics, so thank her. She's got a great collection of the BBG! :wub:


Ohh... I was too quick of the mark :blush: I have a similar pic

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I've said many times that Feron is not a good motivator for two years of revenge. The only person that could elicit that in Liara should be Shepard him/herself, but that also falls apart if she knows Shepard is coming back to life.

Really, the only situation that makes sense is that Liara is working for Cerberus, but they are demanding she keep that quiet and stay away from Shepard. Then she has a ton of motivation to take the Shadow Broker down so she can reunite with Shepard.

I would assume the scene was written once, scrapped due to the comics, and then rewritten a whole bunch of times to try and get something out. They obviously don't want to spoil the comics and they also didn't want Liara on the Normandy. So you get this sort of half-finished thing that doesn't really make sense on most levels. It's really the worst writing in the game by far - it feels like they didn't quite know what they were going for.

You brought up a good point with BW not knowing what they were going for.
I am pretty sure the writers had another idea for the ME series previously (the ending of ME1 seemed as though they were going to immediately continue the story in ME2), but someone over at BW or at EA wanted a "dark and edgy" game at all costs.

I agree, Liara is probably working for Cerberus, it is the only way to explain the reunion scene.
Although, there could be another organization involved we don't know about.

I myself think that the scene being lackluster is going to be better for us in the long run (although Shep and her could have at least said "I love you" at some point in the conversation, or at least have Shep show some sadness at what she has had to go through for her) I am not just being optimistic, if BW had gone with their original plan, Liara might not be in ME3 and we would be left with an even more empty feeling about the relationship with her.

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Remember, Driven, that Liara does say that she wishes she could go with Shepard on the Normandy. It's not much, but her desire to be with Shepard is definitely there. Plus, the main motivation for her desire to end the Shadow Broker is still want he did to Shepard. I said earlier on in the thread that alot of this hatred she holds for the SB could quite possibly be her struggle to deal with her guilt and emotional torment she's suffered, so is then projecting this pain onto a convenient figure in the SB.



It's what makes me think that the reason we, as Shepard, cannot properly comfort Liara and relieve her of her pain and guilt is so that her character and story arc for ME2 can continue, which is obviously the reason why she can't join the Normandy. They need this story to provide an explanation as to why Liara isn't on the squad in ME2. This will in all likelihood mean that we'll finally be given the opportunity to comfort and console her in Liara's DLC.

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Do you think Benezia is involved?

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I still can't believe that the first person Liara fell in love with (and may be her only love ever) died right before her eyes (probably the saddest part about Shepard dying).
She has been through so much.

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I still can't believe that the first person Liara fell in love with (and may be her only love ever) died right before her eyes (probably the saddest part about Shepard dying).
She has been through so much.


Agreed.

Which makes it all the more agonizing to see so little interaction in ME2.

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I still can't believe that the first person Liara fell in love with (and may be her only love ever) died right before her eyes (probably the saddest part about Shepard dying).
She has been through so much.


Have you seen Liara's facial expression as the Normandy explodes during her flashback in the second issue or Redemption?

It's utterly heartbreaking, a look of absolute anguish and horror. Not only that, but Liara's standing at the front of the escape pod, desperate to see if Shepard is alright. So sad.:crying:

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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I still can't believe that the first person Liara fell in love with (and may be her only love ever) died right before her eyes (probably the saddest part about Shepard dying).
She has been through so much.


Have you seen Liara's facial expression as the Normandy explodes during her flashback in the second issue or Redemption?

It's utterly heartbreaking, a look of absolute anguish and horror. Not only that, but Liara's standing at the front of the escape pod, desperate to see if Shepard is alright. So sad.:crying:

Yeah, the flashback comic made just made me so sad seeing Liara's face. I have never cried during a movie or a video game (or any form of entertainment) but knowing Liara's only love had died right in front of her, was probably the closest I have ever come to having a couple of tears. :crying:

Although it may seem out of character, I can see why she is so angry in the comics, her only love has died and the SB is defiling her body and trying to sell it so the Collector's can defile it further .

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I still can't believe that the first person Liara fell in love with (and may be her only love ever) died right before her eyes (probably the saddest part about Shepard dying).
She has been through so much.


Agreed.

Which makes it all the more agonizing to see so little interaction in ME2.

Yeah, I keep going on the pretty much definite fact of Liara DLC will be recifiying that.
This whole situation and the wait will be worth it once we can have emotional conversations with Liara and help her with her negative emotions.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Have you seen Liara's facial expression as the Normandy explodes during her flashback in the second issue or Redemption?

It's utterly heartbreaking, a look of absolute anguish and horror. Not only that, but Liara's standing at the front of the escape pod, desperate to see if Shepard is alright. So sad.:crying:


I know... :crying:

She doesn't care about her own safety at that point and insists on watching.  I doubt it's safe to stand in an escape pod....there are probably seat belts.

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Not sure if you lot have seen this: http://news.bigdownl...book-announced/. Basically says that they want to carry on with some sort of comic after Redemption, no info about which characters it will include, but if Liara ends up permanently relegated to comics I will not be happy.

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Alright... first off, I think I'm starting to understand what the writers were attempting to get at with the LI's in this game.  Granted, reading TvTropes's pages, plural, on Mass Effect, has influenced my opinion lots.  But it's pretty clear to me that they were making an attempt at doing a pair of cliches for each story, choose-your-own-Trope.  Either Shepard feels betrayed and runs off into the arms of another, probably setting up a triangle in the last game, or Shepard just gets heartbroken, and presses on alone... and is later rewarded for their lack of wandering.

The problem is, while this mostly works for Kaidan and Ashley -- said shippers even get a mini-reward in the form of the e-mail -- us Liarasexuals (I am sticking with that name until someone tells me to stop ;)) just get confused.  But ... to tell you the truth, this could've worked the same way!  All they'd have to do is split up the two halves of Liara's quest a bit more, like require three or even four main quests to be done (counting loyalty missions as main quests) and, so help me, that emotional reveal just needs tweaking.  (One of my earlier ideas had Liara stay standing by the window for the entire line to "... couldn't let you go", and Shepard getting up and hugging her from behind, and what's said is probably depending on how seriously they want us to take the people-could-be-listening problem, but I'd lean towards quietly whispering, "I'd have done the same if it were you."  Or more romantically-inclined words, though I'm pretty sure Jen and Mark could make the implication clear just from those words alone.)  That'd be our token reward, we'd be happier than Ash and Kaidan fans, and we wouldn't have spent approximately a hundred pages wondering if BioWare gives a damn about a character who they've gone to great lengths to ensure her availability in the final game, and did an entire comic book series around her.

Okay, now that I've solved that problem... though I can't quite solve the WallBanger of a main plot ... I really wonder about the whole Romance Pack thing that was brought up.  Do you really think they're thinking of it for ME?  I'm not entirely sure about that, the quote was 'take Leliana on a date' if I recall... and the problem is also that they really do have to progress us ME1 faithful types into a better place in our relationships to be able to pull that off realistically.  So I have a weird feeling that they'd at best, split that sort of thing up and release ME2 ones earlier than the Original Trio, which might have to wait for after the bridging expansion that is apparently so annoyingly close to the release date of The Old Republic... remind me to have a better job by then so I can afford them both.

Still, I have to say that, while I'd prefer a fifteen-hour full-on expansion rather than a 90-to-180 minute Liara-exclusive DLC... I personally think we're gonna get both.  The fifteen hours being not entirely focused on LiLi, but there is just something that tells me that she's got to be central, especially since the Shadow Broker getting offed in the space of three or four missions does not seem likely to me, so he'll still be looming over the game at that point.

Okay, end_thesis, hope you enjoyed it. :innocent:

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Yeah, it would have been great to get some more emotional content.
As you said, an emotional hug and maybe some sort of emptional reply would have been nice, Liara pours her heart and soul out to us and Shep just sits there with a stupid look on her face.
But the whole "Someone might be listening" probably sounded like a better excuse until the Expansion comes out when they first thought of it.

It would be great to get an Expansion (with Liara as one of the major players) and a Liara oriented DLC.
I agree, I can defintiely imagine BW doing both. I don't see how you could connect ME2 to ME3 without Liara as a major character in the Expansion.
The SB is definitely up to some weird crap that we don't know about yet.

I agree as well, any Liara romance pack wouldn't make the least bit of sense the way the relationship is right now.
The only way to do it would be after the Liara Expansion or any Liara based DLC.
I would love a 20+ hour romance pack after ME3 with Liara (I would pay full price for more time with the Lovely Liara<3)

I do still like the name Liarasexuals (it applys for Lesbian FemSheps and MaleShep).

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Does anyone else here use a male Shep?

It seems that everyones main Shepard here is a femshep.
I feel all alone.:unsure:

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Somebody1003 wrote...

Does anyone else here use a male Shep?

It seems that everyones main Shepard here is a femshep.
I feel all alone.:unsure:


I have played as both but male Shep is my main Shep

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Blansten wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Does anyone else here use a male Shep?

It seems that everyones main Shepard here is a femshep.
I feel all alone.:unsure:


I have played as both but male Shep is my main Shep

Ah good, Im not alone. I have never used femshep.:D

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Somebody1003 wrote...

Blansten wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Does anyone else here use a male Shep?

It seems that everyones main Shepard here is a femshep.
I feel all alone.:unsure:


I have played as both but male Shep is my main Shep

Ah good, Im not alone. I have never used femshep.:D


Haha no not alone, I only have 1 Femshep but she romanced Liara B)

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I started out playing a couple of male sheps, then I discovered the awesomeness of femshep.
Haven't looked back since :P.

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I started out playing a couple of male sheps, then I discovered the awesomeness of femshep. Haven't looked back since :P.

I dont like her voice.:unsure:

Plus I like being a man!:D

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I always play as a female character.
I actually love Jennifer Hale's voice (although that is personal preference, everybody is different).
I love FemShep.

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I dont know it just seemed kinda manly.

And I just like being a man anyways.:P

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Hale is one of the reasons I like femshep so much. She's just a bit better than Meer, imo.
And I never really care what gender I play (in any game) :P.

Modifié par Zegla, 19 mars 2010 - 02:15 .