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[Marcin K]

General Stubbs wrote...Can't wait for more of The Beautiful Blue Goddess, I love her with all my heart. :wub:<3<3:wub:

can't express how strong i second this statement. I LOVE YOU LIARA!!!!<3<3<3<3<3<3:wub::wub::wub:

[bjdbwea]

You are quite forgiving. IF a Liara DLC ever sees the light of day, and IF it is actually worth the money (both big IFs still), then it would in my opinion still be inexcusable to put the scene in the game as it is. I don't care if it clashes with the plans for a future DLC. Either you put a well liked character, one that you allowed a romance with, in the game. Then you do it properly, and don't insult the player by artificially withholding self-evident dialogue options. Or you say outright that you can't do it because of the DLC or for whatever reason, and give a proper in-game explanation why the character is not there at the moment, or can't talk properly. They did at least that - sort of - for Ashley and Kaidan, but not for Liara, and nothing short of a patch for the Illium scene (which I know won't happen) could make up for that.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 19 mars 2010 - 04:44 .

[Marcin K]

 new page, so pic time:D

[Zegla]

Ooh, awesome pic.

[Marcin K]

Zegla wrote...

Ooh, awesome pic.

hehe=] i like it too:P

[tamperous]

I loved taking Liara on my squad. I always took her with either Ash or Wrex because I usually played an engineer. Generally I wouldn't need to do too much except chain cast Marksman and Spam my tech powers while Liara opened up with biotics. She got killed quite a bit until I got her some good armor but she's such a sweetie. Everytime I took a rocket or sniper shot to the face and lose health she'd scream "Shepard's Hurt" in her concerned voice.



Liara is the pivitol NPC in the series. Her effort to recover your body show a love beyond any of the others. She loves Shep whether it's reciprocated or not. All the others have duties (Alliance Command, the Krogan people, the Migrant Fleet, the never ending battle against crime) they put above their duty to Shep. Of the original crew she's the only one to make the effort to find your body.



Isn't its strange she didn't tell any of the others (especially if Ash/Kaiden was the LI) about Shep, Cerberus and her recovery of the body: I see two big reasons for her isolation from the others:

1) bitterness and anger that they didn't do more for Shep, forcing her to do something very out of character alone.

2) fear that they would hate her for giving Shep to Cerberus/Project Lazarus. Can you imagine if someone as sensitive as Liara was on the recieving end of the speech Kaiden/Ash gives Shep on Horizon?



The others went on with their lives, Liara has never moved on. She's been in a holding pattern for two years, both wishing for and dreading the day Shep comes back. She isn't sure if she gave the body to Cerberus for the sake of the galaxy (TIM's version rationalize it for her) or her selfish need to Shep again.

[Jarcander]

Hmm, just few pages of the blue goddess and the topic hits 300 and can officially be closed by mod to start a new one.

[Jarcander]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

Hmm, just few pages of the blue goddess and the topic hits 300 and can officially be closed by mod to start a new one.

They would close this one at 300 but leave the 3000 paged Tali one open?

No of course not, it just means they *could*.

[JPfanner]

@tamperous



Yeah, I think the reason she didn't mention it to any of the others is because there was the potential for so much to go wrong. Shepard might stay a slab of charred, pulped, and frozen jerky. Shepard might have come back as some hideous abomination, either physically, mentally, or both. Sharing her hopes for what might happen wasn't worth the risk of sharing her fears.



So that was just one more thing she had to sublimate, and at least she was able to channel those emotions constructively into something directly related to Shepard and possibly the Reapers. Something is definitely up with the Shadow Broker, and even if he is just a "simple" business man that makes deals with the devil out of gain, the galaxy will be a bit brighter without him in it.

[Marcin K]

Jarcander wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

Hmm, just few pages of the blue goddess and the topic hits 300 and can officially be closed by mod to start a new one.

They would close this one at 300 but leave the 3000 paged Tali one open?

No of course not, it just means they *could*.

you know that you can become the enemy of the state here if you say such things like will be closed?
of course it won't be! stay optimistic people!
/*thinking: why it's so quiet here??!!??

Modifié par Marcin R, 19 mars 2010 - 05:58 .

[bjdbwea]

General Stubbs wrote...

BW could have gone the lazy route and completely ignored any feels Liara has for Shep in the comics and in the actual reunion itself.

Could have done that, but then I'd probably already not have bought ME 2. Unlike for some of you, Liara is certainly not the single deciding factor for my purchase. But a lot of the changes in ME 2 I read about before release, I didn't like. If they even had completely ignored the LIs, then I would have known for sure that the game would not be worth the full price to me at least. Same as with Awakening now.

I have pretty much given up on BioWare anyway now. This may sound bitter or pessimistic, but I've followed games and the gaming industry for quite some time of its rather short history. I fully anticipated changes such as these when EA took over, and I have little reason for hope and so far no evidence whatsoever that anything would change for the better again for the foreseeable future. To me, BioWare is now a developer like many others and I will treat them and their products like every other: I will not pre-order anything, and I will look very closely if the product is worth the money. I would of course gladly give them my money when they produce something valuable, but I will not lower my standards just because they have. Fortunately I have a rather large collection of games, and I don't mind replaying games with "bad" graphics.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 19 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

[Yeled]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I like how she says "on your order, Shepard." Hell, I like everything she says anyway. She could tell me to take a trip out the airlock and I'd like how she says it.

Me too! The only one I don't like her saying is "Lead on, Commander" as for some reason I think she sounds slightly irritated, and I'm like "No, Liara! Don't get annoyed with me!"

Crimm, we were discussing how asari must view human hair with curiousity, as it's one of the few things that stops them being exactly the same as human females. We then suggested that you should do a version of your recent comics in reverse, with Liara trying desperately to touch Shepard's hair. Would be funny!

I SHALL DO THIS. Thanks for the idea.

Yay!  I was wondering if you had seen that conversation.  I know Les and I were discussing it, but someone came up with the brilliant ending of "You can touch mine if I can touch yours."  Who's idea was that?  It was brilliant!

[Driveninhifi]

As I see it, the only way Liara's actions make any sense is that if she's essentially being blackmailed to stay away from Shepard, or if Shepard does tell her he/she hates her for giving up the body.

I agree with what was said: she's been waiting and dreading Shepard's return. Once she realizes Shepard wants her back I can't imagine she wouldn't jump at the opportunity unless some outside force was preventing it.

Those are really the only logical conflicts in their relationship - having her spending two years avenging Feron is pretty contrived. As has been mentioned before, avenging Shepard would be a fine motivator - if Shepard wasn't coming back to life!

That still doesn't explain removing the player's ability to treat her as a love interest - but that was just a bad decision by the writers to delay their reunion and keep her off the Normandy. I'm all for a rocky relationship if it makes sense. Ash/Kaidan make sense to me - they had no idea Shepard was coming back.

The Liara relationship is only rocky because the game prevents the player from asking the big questions, and that sucks.

[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do think that Liara's seeming guilt with handing Shepard over to Cerberus, and that being the reason why she doesn't tell any of the other old crewmembers is a very interesting path to explore. As we can see, she's completed isolated away from anyone who cares about her whilst she's working as an information broker on Illium, probably out of fear of what they will think of what she has done. Is this possibly another contribution to Liara's obvious sadness and emotional torment in ME2? Probably.

i must say i agree

[JPfanner]

I think Liara would genuinely appreciate someone sacrificing themselves for her. She displays a lot of appreciation for Shepard rescuing her on Therum right after she's out of the bubble. She is just a really caring person that way. So it isn't so much Feron's worth to her, as it is the worth of his sacrifice for her. Add in all that she had to go through, what Shepard's carcass was put through, and the Shadow Broker/Collector connection and I can see her choosing to pursue the Shadow Broker to try and resolve those. Those debts she has to repay have nothing to do with credits.



Really the only difference between Liara and the people you can recruit is that the player isn't given the chance to meet the criteria of her Recruitment Mission. Like you obliterate all those merc band leaders for Garrus, ensure that Tali can send the dark energy data to the fleet, stand idly by while Thane murders Nassana, find the shipping info for Samara, secure Okeer's legacy, break Jack out of prison, cure the plague and ensure the safety of Mordin's clinic, and so on.



And it was developer fiat that dictated you wouldn't be able to meet the criteria for that. There just definitely needs to be more exposition on the whole issue in game to convince the player that what Liara is doing is very necessary in the larger picture. Instead there are people treating it like some trivial vendetta, even though they themselves have no problem mowing down hundreds of people over the course of the game for much smaller issues.

[Unata]

Here's an action shot

[Marcin K]

Unata wrote...

Here's an action shot

nice one!