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To point 1: I agree that it would mean a lot to her, but it still doesn't fit that she'd let Shepard walk away to die again. She could feel very touched and guilty - but I think there must be SOMETHING forcing her hand. Otherwise why wouldn't she say something? Why wouldn't she try to convince Shepard to help? Shepard has a pretty big reason to want the Shadow Broker taken out, as it was his/her body! 
If it's all Liara's choice, the motivations are very lame because it totally ignores what must be a huge internal conflict. They totally brush it off like it's a foregone conclusion she's going to stay on Ilium, and to be true to her character and what she's done it SHOULD NOT BE. It's poor writing.

To point 2: yes, the decision to keep Liara/Ash/Kaidan off the Normandy would be fine if they had sufficient reason. As it stands, Ash/Kaidan have a better reason to fight the Collectors than half the team, and Liara's motivations are too hazy to judge. It needs to be very obvious that she's doing it to help Shepard, or for the larger picture (as you said).

Really, the love interests from ME1 were handled horribly in general - the hand of the writing team is way too obvious. It's all so obviously forced.

Oh, I definitely think it was handled poorly across the board.  I was just pointing out that given Liara's empathy and strong sense of self-responsiblity that it wasn't totally out there that'd she feel as if she needed to get the Shadow Broker after all he did.  She has valid reasons for wanting the Shadow Broker dead, both personal, for Shepard, and for the fight against the Reapers.  If those reasons are strong enough to preclude her from being a squadmate, then the encounter should have been geared towards convincing and persuading the player of that from start to finish.
The whole deal with the body, what happened, and everything else going on with Liara should have been handed to the player directly through an entire set of dialog choices.  Just like you can sit there and find out 1001 facts for uniting Krogan from Wrex.  Instead we have a lack of definition throughout the encounter, ending with one dialog choice that is in a bugged tree that a lot of people miss.
It's like Tali can't join you on Freedom's Progress because she has something she feels is important to do, something more important than going with Shepard to stop the Reapers.  But she isn't slapped around and slandered for that, because later on you can magically appear just in time and resolve that situation for her.  There isn't the chance in the game to do that for Liara, or even Ashley/Kaiden.  So the burden is on the developers to provide a reasonable explanation why that can't happen.

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Coming soon: The Liara DLC ...

... containing a new piece of clothes for all the fans of this well-liked character! Available soon, for only 80 BioWare points.

Too pessimistic? Well, hopefully.

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bjdbwea wrote...

Coming soon: The Liara DLC ...

... containing a new piece of clothes for all the fans of this well-liked character! Available soon, for only 80 BioWare points.

Too pessimistic? Well, hopefully.


Very hopefully.:huh:  Then again, there's no header for clothes in the DLC listings we've found, so we're getting more than just that.  Then again, I know we're paying more.

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Don't worry, I'm very confident that Liara's DLC will be very rich and story driven, with plenty of deep, tender and emotional moments with our LiLi, plus extra dialogue or a scene if she's your LI. Be positive, people! Think happy thoughts for Liara! :wub:

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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One of my favorites. :wub:

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Indeed!



Can't wait until issue 4 of Redemption is released, and after that Liara's DLC. I need a Liara fix, dammit! I'm starting to get Liara withdrawal symptoms!

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i soon won't be able to go online for almost a week. :(

Hopefully by the time i return, the thread will have grown to be over 320 pages.



Have a great week everybody!



Lizardviking signing off.

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See you later, Lizardviking. Think about Liara!



Have a good one.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Indeed!

Can't wait until issue 4 of Redemption is released, and after that Liara's DLC. I need a Liara fix, dammit! I'm starting to get Liara withdrawal symptoms!


Well I can wait... kind of... though I am working on my Level 60 run.  (It's very strange how many times I'm hopping out of the Mako to fight people just in case I need it, even though Anya started at level 54, that should be enough to make it with BDtS installed, right?)  Still, having Liara almost always at my side is not a bad thing.  (Though I have to take Tali, Garrus or Kaidan with Wrex for the Family Armor quest.... or just not bring Wrex, but that really sounds weird to me to do.)  Still, I'm going to probably be able to wait until the TPB comes out in June to see LiLi, Destroyer of Worlds :P.

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Heh, I'm currently doing my first ever FemShep playthrough, but I'm not going to import that into ME2 until we get Liara's DLC, so I get the complete ME2 experience the first time through with her. Because, y'know, ME2 doesn't feel complete or full without Liara's full role.



God I miss her!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Heh, I'm currently doing my first ever FemShep playthrough, but I'm not going to import that into ME2 until we get Liara's DLC, so I get the complete ME2 experience the first time through with her. Because, y'know, ME2 doesn't feel complete or full without Liara's full role.

God I miss her!

How do you like femshep? I never used her, there is just something about her I didnt really like.
Although I do want to try her eventually.

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I like her, plus I'm a big fan of Jennifer Hale as she's voiced some of my favourite characters in some of my favourite games. Plus, it's interesting playing the game from a different perspective with a female lead.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Heh, I'm currently doing my first ever FemShep playthrough, but I'm not going to import that into ME2 until we get Liara's DLC, so I get the complete ME2 experience the first time through with her. Because, y'know, ME2 doesn't feel complete or full without Liara's full role.

God I miss her!


Ah, good idea!  Unfortunately, I just finished my canon Shepard...she's still hanging out in her loft WAITING FOR AN EMAIL FROM LIARA!!!!! 

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jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Heh, I'm currently doing my first ever FemShep playthrough, but I'm not going to import that into ME2 until we get Liara's DLC, so I get the complete ME2 experience the first time through with her. Because, y'know, ME2 doesn't feel complete or full without Liara's full role.

God I miss her!


Ah, good idea!  Unfortunately, I just finished my canon Shepard...she's still hanging out in her loft WAITING FOR AN EMAIL FROM LIARA!!!!! 

Yeah, I always thought she would have sent one if she were your LI, like Kaidan or Ashley did.

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jlb524 wrote...

Ah, good idea!  Unfortunately, I just finished my canon Shepard...she's still hanging out in her loft WAITING FOR AN EMAIL FROM LIARA!!!!! 


Hahaha, oh J! ;-)

My DudeShep is standing in front of Liara's desk on Illium, waiting for the time where he'll be able to say something intimate to her, and Liara kisses him back. He'll wait for her, goddammit! I love the BBG!:wub:

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Now that I'm going through all three issues of Redemption and thinking back to the reunion scene on Illium and the thought crossed me; what if Liara is lying? Or a least not telling you everything. Not the most positive of possibilities, but hear me out.

It's been brought up that Liara's reason for not coming with Shepard is rather convoluted (Or unforgivably atrocious, if you're asking Nozybidaj), perhaps this is because Liara is making it up. In Mass 1 Ashley commented that Liara is probably very bad at lying. The convolution of her reason might support this. Why would she lie/not give Shepard the entire story you ask? Well, at this point this is all just wild speculation on personally-translated facts, but I want to follow this train of thought.

What if Feron is working for a faction we have no previous knowledge of? While this is rather unlikely at this point --and it would be hard to pull off adding an entirely new faction this far into the story, I know-- it might help explain some issues we have with the writing of Liara's entire appearance in Mass 2. If Feron is working for a new faction they would probably want him back, or at least retribution taken on the Shadow Broker for killing him. And Liara would owe them, since she probably wouldn't have been able to get Shepard back without Feron's help. That would explain "I have debts to repay". For this to make sense, however, I think that Liara would have to believe she was securing Shepard's safety by working for whoever Feron is.

Whatever the reason actually may be. I get the distinct feeling that Liara isn't telling us everything, besides just avoiding spoilers for Redemption. Something's up, I mean, when Shepard and Liara kiss; she is the one who pulls away, breaks eye contact and shakes her head. Now, this may be solely because of the reasons given in the game, or it may be something more.

Heck, I'm probably reading way too much into way too little, but I just... I can't shake this feeling there's something else. It just doesn't make much sense to me that Bioware would mess up this bad with a character of this level of importance after all this time. I feel like there has to be something more to the situation that will be cause of one of those  "Ohhhh" moments, like Bioware have consistantly done in the past for me.

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Few more screenshots...



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Not manipulated by the way, just the result of a few cheats and a little patience. This is almost more fun than shooting stuff all the time.

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Interesting theory, Indigo.



Personally, I think Liara's headshake and pulling away from the kiss is her regaining her composure, so to speak. We know that Liara is terrified that Shepard will hate her for handing the body over to Cerberus. Now, when Shepard first walks through her door again, she probably can;t resist getting excited that her lover is back, alive, and she's seen him/her for the first time in 2 years. Liara can't resist rushing over to Shep to plant a big kiss on the lips. But then, as Liara is kissing Shep, she's probably thinking "Oh Goddess! Does Shepard know? Does Shepard hate me for what I did? What if Shepard doesn't want me anymore?" So, consequently, she pulls away from the kiss. It's the moment Liara has been dreading and eagerly awaiting for two years: the return of her lover. So many conflicting thoughts and emotions probably went through her mind, and she just couldn't resist rushing over to Shepard and giving him/her a kiss.



As for Feron, I think he's working for Cerberus, and there's the possibility that Liara has been manipulated by TIM into working for them during ME2 aswell. Perhaps TIM ordered Liara not to fraternize with Shepard? Would explain a lot of things.

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bjd, those are awesome!! Thanks very much for posting them!



I love the one of Shepard with her arm around Liara's shoulder. So sweet!

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Those pics are great, I wish I could get a pic of my Shep putting his arm around Liara.:wub:

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I love those Liara pictures. :wub:

That would be great to have some more interaction with Liara after the DLC (give her a kiss whenever we want, have a couple of different conversations about the relationship, how she is feeling at the moment. That sort of thing). :wub:<3

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It has been such a long time without the Beautiful Blue Goddess.

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Maybe it's just the form-fitting dress, but Liara seems to have, uh...developed a bit, physically. Not that she needed any help in that department during the events of ME1.

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