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[Yeled]

Pryce86 wrote...

Trust me , this topic will answer a lot of your questions .

http://social.biowar...5/index/1776391

Uh...there's a reason most of us haven't been over there.  That dlc stuff was known to this group a looooong time ago, and we've discussed it over and over again.  I'd venture to say there's close to 100 pages that relate to the Liara DLC on this very thread.

Modifié par Yeled, 20 mars 2010 - 05:54 .

[elitextrem3]

Hi guys, I don’t know if this has been discussed already, I’m sure someone mentioned it but whatever. Today while playing ME 2 I found a conversation between Liara and Shepard that I had not seen in my first three ME 2 play through.


After I did the first hacking I went back to talk to Liara and after trying a few different conversations I came up with a dialog line that said " You've grown cold " after picking that line Shepard tells Liara that for a moment there he thought that he was talking to Matriarch Benezia. Liara replies saying and I quote " My mother was corrupted by Saren's influence, but however history remembers her, she got things done. Right now, I need to do the same."


After that she says that she'll talk to Shepard later and he just stands up. Like I said someone probably already discovered that line but it was a surprise to me because this is the first time I saw it.


I think it is an interesting line because Liara is somewhat agreeing  with the way her mother did things and I hope that my Liara doesn’t turn into Benezia in ME 3 just for the sake of revenge. Hopefully the final comic will at least tell us why Liara is acting the way she is in ME 2.

Modifié par elitextrem3, 20 mars 2010 - 05:55 .

[JPfanner]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Not entirely so, I think. I don't know if I'm saying this right, but perhaps the unique crest patterns (if it has that effect) and maybe eye color, but I think there would still be at least a small bit of resemblance --or simple difference from the mother-- taken from the father. While the child would still be Pureblood, inter-asari genetic diversity would still remain in some form.

Those would be genetic traits though, and those are never actually transferred from the father since the entirety of the genetic material of the daughter comes from the mother. The variance is all induced neurally through the melding, and it seems like purebloods all share the same gross phyiscal traits (that of baseline asari). I don't get the impression that the "grandfather" species translates into much, if any, variance. Otherwise you'd have a lot of drift in pureblood appearance considering all the different races out there.

For the mother, the question is if she was xeno-variated, does she give her melded set to the daughter, or does she give her the non-melded set? I think the non-melded set is always passed on to daughters, so you have an unbroken line between mothers and daughters stretching back. All asari would share one set of baseline asari genes. If she gave her daughter her melded set as the unchanging set, then she'd have to vary her own unchanging set to pass onto her daughter, which would result in the daughter having two sets that have been varied by melds. Which would again cause drift in the pureblood traits over time.

It really seems like everyone knows what a pureblood looks like and so any changes must not carry on that noticeably past the daughter they were passed to.

[jlb524]

I love this picture and I don't know why...







...Liara is PISSED!!

[Crimmsonwind]

Asari maybe have some variation among themselves just due to the fact that they used to be organized in tribes. I don't think it would be much; maybe some different skin toones or markings that the tribes developed. Because of their environment or something. I know next to nothing about genetics but I'm just throwing it out there.

[JPfanner]

That sounds like a Renegade dialog choice. Not really surprising that if you spit in someone's face, slap them around, and treat them like crap that they might show a bit of anger over that. Throwing what happened to her mother in her face after all she's done for the galaxy and Shepard personally is pretty low.

Really freaking great to see that dialog to be a total ass got put in the game over being able to be a real friend, let alone a lover.

[bjdbwea]

elitextrem3 wrote...

After I did the first hacking I went back to talk to Liara and after trying a few different conversations I came up with a dialog line that said " You've grown cold " after picking that line Shepard tells Liara that for a moment there he thought that he was talking to Matriarch Benezia. Liara replies saying and I quote " My mother was corrupted by Saren's influence, but however history remembers her, she got things done. Right now, I need to do the same."

Another dialogue path easily missed. Almost as if they had to hide it on purpose. 

(And of course Shepard can't reply anything once again.)

[Unata]

Could it be that Liara is useing the Shadow Broker thing to keep Shepard at bay because she has a little Shepard at home and doesn't want it known to Shepard until Shepard finishes her/his mission?

(Wiki)
Asari pass through three climacteric life stages, marked by biochemical and physiological changes:
The Maiden stage begins at birth and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless.

The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.

The Matriarch stage begins around 700 years of age, or later if the individual melds rarely. Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience. Their knowledge and guidance may be one reason why Matriarchs are rarely seen outside asari space.

However, it should be noted that, each stage can be started whenever an asari feels that she has reached the correct level of maturity. While each stage of life is marked by strong biological tendencies, individuals do make unexpected life choices.

Modifié par Unata, 20 mars 2010 - 06:11 .

[bjdbwea]

Unata wrote...

Could it be that Liara is useing the Shadow Broker thing to keep Shepard at bay because she has a little Shepard at home and doesn't want it known to Shepard until Shepard finishes her/his mission?

Very unlikely. First, I think BioWare wouldn't go there (not even during the epilogue, unfortunately). Second, the Asari seem to be able to decide if and when they want to have children. Liara wouldn't do that without talking about it with Shepard first. Can it still happen by "accident"? I have no idea, yet I doubt it, and Liara is too intelligent to let that happen anyway.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...


Oooh, me too! If thinking Angry Liara is sexy is wrong, then I don't want to be right!

What's Liara saying there, by the way? Is that when she says something like "I can take him down!!" and hits her desk with her hand?

I can't remember what Liara is talking about...I think it is the SB (obviously!).  She's standing up though, so it's not when she slams the desk.

Happy pic!!

Modifié par jlb524, 20 mars 2010 - 06:21 .

[JPfanner]

yorkj86 wrote...
Either the Asari must have genetic diversity amongst themselves, or there are phenotypes being transferred during melding.  Or, Bioware doesn't have a clue what it's doing, because I'm seeing lots of diversity among the Asari in their facial features, let alone variations in skin-color.

I'm inclined to think that Bioware dropped the word "parthenogenesis" in order to explain how an "all-female" species can exist, then didn't even bother to think about the implications if they all reproduce through neural activity.

They do have have genetic diversity amongst themselves.  Even if the unmelded set is always passed on unchanged to daughters, that still gives them a set that is going to undergo variance with each generation no matter what the species of their partner.  There is a difference between the melded genes of a daughter and her mother.  Or sisters of the same mother and father.  Plus, all we can conjecture on is based on expressed physical traits.  So there might be a lot more difference that we just can't look at and see.

[JPfanner]

Unata wrote...
Could it be that Liara is useing the Shadow Broker thing to keep Shepard at bay because she has a little Shepard at home and doesn't want it known to Shepard until Shepard finishes her/his mission?

I'm going to be all lazy and cut and paste my post earlier about this.  I think the idea would be cool for fanfiction, I just really don't think it is plausible in game.

My problem with the Liara lovechild scenario is that for it to be true several conditions have to be met.
1) Liara made the choice to become pregnant.  Asari don't become pregnant accidentally.
2) Liara did that without telling Shepard, which is totally dishonest and probably an asari taboo.
3) Liara did that while serving on the Normandy as a frontline special forces soldier fighting geth.

Liara would have to be dishonest enough to do something like that, and then be stupid and irresponsible enough to do it while she was running around getting shot at and beating on geth.  She's in the close confines of a ship, works right beside the ship's doctor, has to fit into her armor, and snuggles up with Shepard constantly. 
I personally don't believe that Liara would meet the low character and intelligence requirements necessary.

[JPfanner]

Yeah, I think the lovechild thing would definitely work for fanfiction though. You just have to ignore that asari have that awesome biofeedback control over their bodies and the melding for reproduction being a conscious choice to open up Liara being able to become accidentally pregnant.

[JPfanner]

Somebody1003 wrote...
And I always wondered, why did TIM say that she was working for the SB?

He knows thats not true after what she did to get Sheps body back from them, so why lie to Shepard?

For the same reason he leaks to the Council, Alliance, and everyone else that Shepard wasn't dead and is working for Cerberus.  And I do mean "wasn't dead" and "working for".  That's why Ashely/Kaiden are so ticked off, everyone thinks you somehow escaped the Normandy and have been pretending to be dead so you could work for Cerberus.  Thanks to you good buddy TIM.
He wants you cut off and isolated from everyone else but Cerberus.