She's definitely Mass Effect's Woobie, for sure.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 01:43
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Aww, I'm imagining Liara's lonely childhood, now. Poor Liara.
She's definitely Mass Effect's Woobie, for sure.
She's definitely Mass Effect's Woobie, for sure.
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#7577
Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:06
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I think that eventually there will be fewer and fewer purebloods.
Liara tells us that purebloods are looked down upon, and those 2 asari on Illium prove that.
We've never seen an asari world. Just a frontier world like Illium. Asari space is the largest in Council Space, they've been colonizing worlds for over 2700 years. Since any given asari can have a pureblood daughter with any other asari, there is no way to avoid having them except by one of the parents not being asari. Which just becomes logistically impossible unless asari space stops being asari space and is absorbed by another race to provide enough alien fathers on site.
Yeah, there is some stigma associated with it because it'd be considered old fashioned and provincial. But they've still kept doing it for millenia and are still going at it. Asari are definitely attracted to each other, they naturally want to have daughters with each other. It doesn't seem like social pressure and vocal bigots really impact the actual amount of purebloods being born/parented if they're that common even on a place like Illium which has a sizeable non-asari population.
If those two bigots on Illium were saying what they were saying in public on an asari space world they'd probably end up gutted in an alley. The codex entry for Ardat-Yakshi says that 1% of asari fall into the AY spectrum, that is either not true, or a large percentage of the asari population that we don't see are purebloods.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:09
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I dont know, the asari all seem to have pretty strong dislike for pure bloods.JPfanner wrote...
We've never seen an asari world. Just a frontier world like Illium. Asari space is the largest in Council Space, they've been colonizing worlds for over 2700 years. Since any given asari can have a pureblood daughter with any other asari, there is no way to avoid having them except by one of the parents not being asari. Which just becomes logistically impossible unless asari space stops being asari space and is absorbed by another race to provide enough alien fathers on site.
Yeah, there is some stigma associated with it because it'd be considered old fashioned and provincial. But they've still kept doing it for millenia and are still going at it. Asari are definitely attracted to each other, they naturally want to have daughters with each other. It doesn't seem like social pressure and vocal bigots really impact the actual amount of purebloods being born/parented if they're that common even on a place like Illium which has a sizeable non-asari population.
If those two bigots on Illium were saying what they were saying in public on an asari space world they'd probably end up gutted in an alley. The codex entry for Ardat-Yakshi says that 1% of asari fall into the AY spectrum, that is either not true, or a large percentage of the asari population that we don't see are purebloods.
Hopefully ME3 may give us more insight into this. Id like it if we could visit Thessia in ME3 and get more information on asari in general.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:12
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I'd love to visit Thessia with Liara in ME3, too.
Likewise, I'd love to take Liara to visit Earth, too. Would be very romantic in a way!
Likewise, I'd love to take Liara to visit Earth, too. Would be very romantic in a way!
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:25
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Really all the asari we've come into contact with have been outside of asari space. So they've either had a reason for promoting that bigotry (because they're mixed themselves) or they've been victims of it for being purebloods in that environment.Somebody1003 wrote...
I dont know, the asari all seem to have pretty strong dislike for pure bloods.
Hopefully ME3 may give us more insight into this. Id like it if we could visit Thessia in ME3 and get more information on asari in general.
I'm not saying that there isn't social pressure and Liara hasn't faced it. I'm just saying that despite what we hear about it, there are still an awful lot of them around. And this is after the asari have made contact with who knows how many races over almost three millenia.
Like look at Benezia, she was obviously in a position where having a pureblood daughter wouldn't be a good thing for her standing, but she did it anyway and there was social consequences for that, but not anything bad enough to preclude her from doing it. Probably because there has to be a lot of asari doing the same thing. I just think we really do get a skewed perspective from what we've seen because we're outside asari space.
So it's like they say one thing, but do another.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:39
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I agree, JPfanner.
I think that Pureblood pairings probably become more acceptable the closer one gets to Asari space proper.
Out in the areas with a diversity of different species, Pureblood pairings are looked down upon, as we've seen.
I think that Pureblood pairings probably become more acceptable the closer one gets to Asari space proper.
Out in the areas with a diversity of different species, Pureblood pairings are looked down upon, as we've seen.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:44
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Do you think that Liara travelled around as she was raised, then? Benezia's responsibilities as a political leader probably meant she had to travel.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:50
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Do you think that Liara travelled around as she was raised, then? Benezia's responsibilities as a political leader probably meant she had to travel.
I agree. Liara probably picked up a lot of information about the galaxy's most powerful people. I think this would have helped her in her information broker career.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:54
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Yep, and from what Liara says it sounds like there was a lot of pressure and expectations put on Liara to follow in Benezia's footsteps. I was wondering if there was any additional pressure for that after Liara became all famous after the fight against Saren. Although the age difference probably still counts against her since that does seem to important for asari standing. Which is understandable when you're talking about people that live for as long as they do.LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Do you think that Liara travelled around as she was raised, then? Benezia's responsibilities as a political leader probably meant she had to travel.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:55
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Liara has a lot to prove to Asari authority figures after the fiasco with her mother. Now she's associating with criminals and the Shadow Broker just to set things right.
Poor Liara.
Poor Liara.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:58
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Doesn't Samara express there probably are more AY in Asari space since it's large and not well governed? or something to that effect, I seem to recall the mention of it anyway.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 02:59
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 03:00
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Unata wrote...
Doesn't Samara express there probably are more AY in Asari space since it's large and not well governed? or something to that effect, I seem to recall the mention of it anyway.
Samara only knows of 3 AY for sure (her daughters) but she says there could be more. Who knows?
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 03:05
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Liara has a lot to prove to Asari authority figures after the fiasco with her mother. Now she's associating with criminals and the Shadow Broker just to set things right.
Poor Liara.
I still think there would be a lot of gratitude given to Liara after she helped stop Saren and helped Shepard in the Battle of the Citadel.
You've got to feel sympathy for Liara for what she's forcing herself to do now. Her suffering and guilt are making it so that she's forcing herself to do something she hates, and at the root of it all is her love for Shepard.
Poor Liara indeed. :-(
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 03:11
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
Liara has a lot to prove to Asari authority figures after the fiasco with her mother. Now she's associating with criminals and the Shadow Broker just to set things right.
Poor Liara.
I still think there would be a lot of gratitude given to Liara after she helped stop Saren and helped Shepard in the Battle of the Citadel.
You've got to feel sympathy for Liara for what she's forcing herself to do now. Her suffering and guilt are making it so that she's forcing herself to do something she hates, and at the root of it all is her love for Shepard.
Poor Liara indeed. :-(
Yeah, but how brief the fanfare of victory before practically every authority in the galaxy swept all evidence of Saren and Sovereign under the rug?
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 03:18
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I guess a lot depends on if the Council died or not too. I have this tendency to forget they aren't always alive in some playthroughs.
It seems like the human dominated Council would put a different emphasis on who did what to stop Saren.
The Council you can save would probably at least play up Liara and Garrus's role since they're members of Council races.
It seems like the human dominated Council would put a different emphasis on who did what to stop Saren.
The Council you can save would probably at least play up Liara and Garrus's role since they're members of Council races.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 03:27
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Do you think Paragon Sheps are eventually going to be able to talk Liara down from her quest for vengeance against the SB? Comfort her, tell her to let her guilt go and hopefully end it without violence?
This does make the assumption though that the SB is not a threat that needs to be stopped, ie assisting the Reapers. If the SB is assisting the Reapers, then you can probably help Liara stop him, but also at the same time convince her that bloody revenge is not right, and help her get over her sadness and the emotional suffering she has had to endure.
This does make the assumption though that the SB is not a threat that needs to be stopped, ie assisting the Reapers. If the SB is assisting the Reapers, then you can probably help Liara stop him, but also at the same time convince her that bloody revenge is not right, and help her get over her sadness and the emotional suffering she has had to endure.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 03:29
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I think that maybe after you deal with the SB you can either convince Liara to keep her hateful vengeful emotions, and have her stay as this dark evil figure.LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Do you think Paragon Sheps are eventually going to be able to talk Liara down from her quest for vengeance against the SB? Comfort her, tell her to let her guilt go and hopefully end it without violence?
This does make the assumption though that the SB is not a threat that needs to be stopped, ie assisting the Reapers. If the SB is assisting the Reapers, then you can probably help Liara stop him, but also at the same time convince her that bloody revenge is not right, and help her get over her sadness and the emotional suffering she has had to endure.
The paragon side could be that you comfort her, and get her back to her old loving self.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 04:07
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It does make me sad how Liara has gone to hell and back (well, Shep still has to bring her back) for Shepard and we can't do anything about it for the moment.
The most annoying part is, you can feel that the conversation options to comfort her should be there and the scene is unfinished, but you can't do anything about it.
Even though I want the Liara DLC to come out right now, I know that the more time BW spent on the Liara DLC, the longer, and the more emotional it will be.
I will love to be able to play ME2 and know that the relationship is continued an we can help Liara become happy again.
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Yeah, I believe that is how the DLC will turn out Paragons will allow Liara to release her negative emotions and help her come back to the person she was before her love died.
Renegades will most likely nuture her new personality and fill her with even more hatred.
At this point, I am pretty sure the DLC will probably have the same ending no matter what (varying slightly depending on what you do) and we will be setting her character up for ME3.
Even in a 15 hour Liara Expansion, I would assume the SB would escape at the end, ready to be a main villain of ME3.
The most annoying part is, you can feel that the conversation options to comfort her should be there and the scene is unfinished, but you can't do anything about it.
Even though I want the Liara DLC to come out right now, I know that the more time BW spent on the Liara DLC, the longer, and the more emotional it will be.
I will love to be able to play ME2 and know that the relationship is continued an we can help Liara become happy again.
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Yeah, I believe that is how the DLC will turn out Paragons will allow Liara to release her negative emotions and help her come back to the person she was before her love died.
Renegades will most likely nuture her new personality and fill her with even more hatred.
At this point, I am pretty sure the DLC will probably have the same ending no matter what (varying slightly depending on what you do) and we will be setting her character up for ME3.
Even in a 15 hour Liara Expansion, I would assume the SB would escape at the end, ready to be a main villain of ME3.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 04:23
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Yikes, I have a lot to catch up on in this thread. I am having a hard time replaying ME 2 with anything other than a Liara loyal game (mostly fem-sheps). Initially, all my males strayed for Tali and ultimately Miranda (if you watch the show Chuck, how can you not?). Eventually I will have to be loyal to Ashley...
Eventually...
Eventually...
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 04:24
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Yikes, I have a lot to catch up on in this thread. I am having a hard time replaying ME 2 with anything other than a Liara loyal game (mostly fem-sheps).
I'm in the same boat. I keep re-importing the same Shep who romanced Liara (I change her class though).
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 04:34
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jlb524 wrote...
screwoffreg wrote...
Yikes, I have a lot to catch up on in this thread. I am having a hard time replaying ME 2 with anything other than a Liara loyal game (mostly fem-sheps).
I'm in the same boat. I keep re-importing the same Shep who romanced Liara (I change her class though).
Nice looking Shepard. Did you edit the game for the hair style?
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 04:35
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screwoffreg wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
screwoffreg wrote...
Yikes, I have a lot to catch up on in this thread. I am having a hard time replaying ME 2 with anything other than a Liara loyal game (mostly fem-sheps).
I'm in the same boat. I keep re-importing the same Shep who romanced Liara (I change her class though).
Nice looking Shepard. Did you edit the game for the hair style?
Thanks! Yeah....that's one benefit of having the PC version.
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 04:46
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I only have one finished Shep so far I have imported into ME2 with Liara as her love and I am in the process of making one more with Liara as her love (I am starting to see a pattern of fanatical Liara loving here).
So I have a total of one finished Shep and one almost finished Shep... Probably less than some of you guys.
All that matters is that they are loyal to Liara. <3 (F**k you other FemShep LIs, I apologize to those of you who like them).
So I have a total of one finished Shep and one almost finished Shep... Probably less than some of you guys.
All that matters is that they are loyal to Liara. <3 (F**k you other FemShep LIs, I apologize to those of you who like them).
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Posté 21 mars 2010 - 04:59
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I only have one finished Shep so far I have imported into ME2 with Liara as her love and I am in the process of making one more with Liara as her love (I am starting to see a pattern of fanatical Liara loving here).
So I have a total of one finished Shep and one almost finished Shep... Probably less than some of you guys.
All that matters is that they are loyal to Liara. <3 (F**k you other FemShep LIs, I apologize to those of you who like them).
I think I already am in that pattern, 23 save games, 4 are Malesheps only partly through ME2, can't seem to get them much further, rest are all Femsheps and all but 2 are Liara loves, other two were tough to not but wanted to run them without any LI's to see how it plays out later on.
Was thinking about getting a Liara Tattoo today, am I obsessed? Naa...
