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[Crimmsonwind]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Crimm any progress on your Liara comic? Can't wait to see it, I love any kind of Liara fanart!

Just some little doodles in my mini notebook. It'll probably be another week or so, I've been negelcting a paper that's due in three weeks and I've got allergies. XD

But I'm planning it out so it's moving forward. Don't worry, I wouldn't pass up an opportunity to draw her.

[Jarcander]

Did someone say Liara comic? *bounces on the nearest devArt link*

[Noxis6]

AndroLeonidas wrote...
I'll pay almost any reasonable price they lay out for a Liara DLC or expansion on two conditions...

1. They bring closure to her storyline and get her focused back on taking out the Reapers for ME3.

2. (And most important!) They need to have the two of them pick up their romance and swear their love for each other or something of that nature. And the dialogue needs to show this. I would even go so far as to have Shep do something of what Revan did when Bastila turned to the Dark Side briefly. They built this up as an epic love affair and now they need to follow through. The end result regardless needs to be that Liara is an acknowledged LI of Shep and she returns to the Normandy with him. Also... for continunity, she needs to remain in his quarters with him on the ship and this is where you go to talk with her. You can't have your LI in another part of the ship... it just wouldn't do.

If a DLC or expansion doesn't do these things then sadly I believe Bioware will limit her role in ME3 to an NPC that you can only talk too and with very limited dialogue. In which case, as I have stated before, I will not be buying ME3 for any reason.

Also... if it leaks out either within the comics or about the DLC that this is not the direction they are going to go... i.e. she had a relationship with Feron or has moved on for some other off the wall stupid reason...  well I won't be buying the DLC or expansion either.

You gave her to us Bioware... now you need to give her back to us!!!

These wishes are quite exessive for an DLC if we are realistic,we also have to take into account that DLC will most likely always be set before the Collector base,an expansion would be a complete different thing if it would bridge to ME3 then Liara/Ashley/Kaidan joining you would not be completely impossible,though a ME2 expansion is not that easy unless they pull an Awakening.

As for Liaras role well that will depend on what they do now,if they really go the Liara as the new SB route then thats a sure trip to cameoville,same goes should she be again the lead character in the next ME Comic series.

A relationship with Feron is unlikely unless he escapes with her and dies/gets captured offscreen,actually she more in danger of getting consumed by her thirst for vengeance,thats always a dangerous route to take add to it that she tries fighting fire with fire things could turn really ugly

[Marcin K]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Derumiel wrote...

Random thought:
Wasn't in the Mass Effect OST a track with Liara in its name?

The music from Therum was called "Liara's World".

and "dangerous place" track is the moment u meet krogan battle master  when you un-field Liara free

[Srslydude01]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Unata wrote...

No not about who he is working for, all through the Redemption series Liara has held him off with distrust and shows no real affiliation for the guy other then working with him to complete her mission, But ... in ME2 conversation with Shepard she implies a deeper "friendship", nothing so far in the series gives me that impression...I am wary

Don't worry!

Liara is just obviously appreciative of the sacrifice Feron is obviously going to make in issue 4 so that she can escape with Shepard. It's another thing that's playing into her guilt on top of handing Shepard over to Cerberus, that Feron sacrificed himself for her.

I think that scripted Liara saying "friend" for convenience sake. Liara is grateful for Feron's sacrifice, not Feron himself.

Plus, do you reckon Liara might be feeling guilty for treating him like crap throughout Redemption, and then he sacrifices himself for her and Shepard?

Ya, when Liara uses the word, friend, she means the true meaning of the word. I got the impression from the first three issues that there wasn't going to be any romance at all. The writers know where Liara's romantic affiliations lie. I trusted Liara that Feron was just a friend. Why would she go through all that trouble to get Shepard to just cheat on him/her?

[bjdbwea]

Shepard should've been able right there to say:

"A friend...? <_< Is there something I should know? :?"

[Srslydude01]

bjdbwea wrote...

Shepard should've been able right there to say:

"A friend...? <_< Is there something I should know? :?"

I think that comes off as Shepard not trusting her, which may make Liara mad at you idk. In today's society, people seem to generally distrust there significant others when dealing with friends of the opposite sex. I understand that Shepard would want the whole story, but I think he/she has no reason to distrust Liara after all that she has done.

[Asheer_Khan]

Maybe Liara/Feron romance could be an option in situation when she's not Shepard's love (for example Shep goes whit Ash or Carth) but in case when Lili is Shep sweetheart they definitive on the strict friendship level.

I think Lili could be worried about him because (taking aside for who he work) he was the only one who actually (more or less) help her to recover Shepard's body when rest of the old team turned (?) thier back to her.



And for Lili DLC... i seriously hope that BW don't screw us out... or i will be "very, very unhappy".

[Unata]

Srslydude01 wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Shepard should've been able right there to say:

"A friend...? <_< Is there something I should know? :?"

I think that comes off as Shepard not trusting her, which may make Liara mad at you idk. In today's society, people seem to generally distrust there significant others when dealing with friends of the opposite sex. I understand that Shepard would want the whole story, but I think he/she has no reason to distrust Liara after all that she has done.

Well true, and when I think about it, in the conversation tree with Liara in ME1 she does express how quick humans are to do things, while implying Asari are more thoughtfull, I suppose she could get a bug in her bonnet about this Feron critter and have it stick for awhile.

*Sigh* Time is a cruel master at times, I want my Liara back!

[bjdbwea]

I don't think the question would've necessarily been a sign of distrust. Shepard's been parted from his love for two years, he certainly would be allowed a little worry about everything. In any case he definitely wouldn't just sit there like an idiot and say nothing.

[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara pic...



..'cause I thought that one was needed.

I really did miss Liara's cute freckles in Redemption. If she had those, it would've helped to make her look more like Liara.

oh, how could i not figure it out earlier?! you are 101% right!

[Asheer_Khan]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Maybe Liara/Feron romance could be an option in situation when she's not Shepard's love (for example Shep goes whit Ash or Carth) but in case when Lili is Shep sweetheart they definitive on the strict friendship level.
I think Lili could be worried about him because (taking aside for who he work) he was the only one who actually (more or less) help her to recover Shepard's body when rest of the old team turned (?) thier back to her.

And for Lili DLC... i seriously hope that BW don't screw us out... or i will be "very, very unhappy".

Can't see BioWare doing this now. I thought they had the perfect opportunity to do something similar in ME1, where if you romance Liara then Ashley and Kaidan begin to form a relationship together, and then you've have a brilliantly dramatic scene where they're begging Shepard to save each other's life on Virmire. That would've been excellent.

I really don't think they're going to have Liara romance anyone but Shepard really, as I think they may make Liara a romance option for new Shepards in ME3. Likewise with Ashley or Kaidan, they will return as LIs for new Shepards. Consequently, they're going to want to keep Liara, Ashley and Kaidan single.

In case of ME 1 i don't think that Bioware never expect that those romances could have any serious impact within community and that's why they didn't "upgrade" possibility for non romanced "party"  (aka Ash+Kaidan) to form own emotional bond and making Virmire even more depresing experience:(...

Whole concept of keeping Lili out of core ME 2 events was illogical as i ponted early because of making Shepard "killable" during S - mission because that put in general question her whole effort to bring Shepard back to life only to lost him/her again in that freaking base???... furthermore if i was able to pull everybody safely out of that base then i would NOT BE ABLE to keep Lili safe whole time???... come on BW:blink:... have more trust in us.

But i think (as my sis pointed too) Lili, Ash/Kaidan were "removed" from game as active party members to NOT confused game newcomers and were replaced by such characters like Zaaed (good fire support asset but i am sure Ash could beat crap from him in long run.), Samara as Lili replacement in party... and fact that devs almost "forcing" PC to start another romance whit those new characters made me so furious.... so for me fact that paramour achievement is gray in ALL my ME 2 have for me same high value as "No one left behind" achievement" because Lili :wub:will remain as my only one Love option in ME <3 .

[bjdbwea]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

In case of ME 1 i don't think that Bioware never expect that those romances could have any serious impact within community

That is unlikely. BioWare developed a lot of good games before, and the romance bit was always very well-received and well-liked (which makes it even more strange that they dropped it completely for Awakening). But you can always only do so much. Don't forget that the "meeting Liara" level in ME 1 was already supposed to be longer, but had to be cut. Yeah, she already had to suffer from something like that in ME 1, but at least the rest of her content was finished and almost perfect.

I agree though that the only logical explanation I can imagine for trashing nearly all existing foundations and making ME 2 virtually a completely new game - instead of the second part of a trilogy - is that BioWare/EA wanted to bring in as many new players as possible (while taking the existing fans for granted). And unfortunately I don't see why they wouldn't do exactly that again. So except for Tali, no one's return as a crew member is written in stone.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 21 mars 2010 - 07:31 .

[Unata]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Maybe Liara/Feron romance could be an option in situation when she's not Shepard's love (for example Shep goes whit Ash or Carth) but in case when Lili is Shep sweetheart they definitive on the strict friendship level.
I think Lili could be worried about him because (taking aside for who he work) he was the only one who actually (more or less) help her to recover Shepard's body when rest of the old team turned (?) thier back to her.

And for Lili DLC... i seriously hope that BW don't screw us out... or i will be "very, very unhappy".

Can't see BioWare doing this now. I thought they had the perfect opportunity to do something similar in ME1, where if you romance Liara then Ashley and Kaidan begin to form a relationship together, and then you've have a brilliantly dramatic scene where they're begging Shepard to save each other's life on Virmire. That would've been excellent.

I really don't think they're going to have Liara romance anyone but Shepard really, as I think they may make Liara a romance option for new Shepards in ME3. Likewise with Ashley or Kaidan, they will return as LIs for new Shepards. Consequently, they're going to want to keep Liara, Ashley and Kaidan single.

In case of ME 1 i don't think that Bioware never expect that those romances could have any serious impact within community and that's why they didn't "upgrade" possibility for non romanced "party"  (aka Ash+Kaidan) to form own emotional bond and making Virmire even more depresing experience:(...

Whole concept of keeping Lili out of core ME 2 events was illogical as i ponted early because of making Shepard "killable" during S - mission because that put in general question her whole effort to bring Shepard back to life only to lost him/her again in that freaking base???... furthermore if i was able to pull everybody safely out of that base then i would NOT BE ABLE to keep Lili safe whole time???... come on BW:blink:... have more trust in us.

But i think (as my sis pointed too) Lili, Ash/Kaidan were "removed" from game as active party members to NOT confused game newcomers and were replaced by such characters like Zaaed (good fire support asset but i am sure Ash could beat crap from him in long run.), Samara as Lili replacement in party... and fact that devs almost "forcing" PC to start another romance whit those new characters made me so furious.... so for me fact that paramour achievement is gray in ALL my ME 2 have for me same high value as "No one left behind" achievement" because Lili :wub:will remain as my only one Love option in ME <3 .

Since Shepard has foiled death throughout ME I can see someone at Bioware coming up with yet another way for Shepard to come out of that fall from Normandy 2 during suicide mission, improbable yes, but not impossible, if they did it would have to be seriously believable  if they were to continue that line of the story, if you noticed Shepard isn't shot, carried off by mech bugs or squashed by pylons, Shepard is whole and still hollering orrrdddeeersss .

I will say this though, my trust/faith in Bioware hinges on what they do with our Liara's story line, don't much care if the rest of the galaxy gets harvested by Reapers if they mess it up.

[Unata]

bjdbwea wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

In case of ME 1 i don't think that Bioware never expect that those romances could have any serious impact within community

That is unlikely. BioWare developed a lot of good games before, and the romance bit was always very well-received and well-liked (which makes it even more strange that they dropped it completely for Awakening). But you can always only do so much. Don't forget that the "meeting Liara" level in ME 1 was already supposed to be longer, but had to be cut. Yeah, she already had to suffer from something like that in ME 1, but at least the rest of her content was finished and almost perfect.

I agree though that the only logical explanation I can imagine for trashing nearly all existing foundations and making ME 2 virtually a completely new game - instead of the second part of a trilogy - is that BioWare/EA wanted to bring in as many new players as possible (while taking the existing fans for granted). And unfortunately I don't see why they wouldn't do exactly that again. So except for Tali, no one's return as a crew member is written in stone.

I'm having a hard time getting into Awakeing for that very reason, I think the development of romances in these games has brought them more customers, to omit them is a mistake for the most part, even a slight one would be preferable to none at all, don't get me wrong, I've been playing RPG games for a very long time and the romance aspect just adds so much more to becoming involved with the "R" part of rpg.

[Asheer_Khan]

Unata wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Maybe Liara/Feron romance could be an option in situation when she's not Shepard's love (for example Shep goes whit Ash or Carth) but in case when Lili is Shep sweetheart they definitive on the strict friendship level.
I think Lili could be worried about him because (taking aside for who he work) he was the only one who actually (more or less) help her to recover Shepard's body when rest of the old team turned (?) thier back to her.

And for Lili DLC... i seriously hope that BW don't screw us out... or i will be "very, very unhappy".

Can't see BioWare doing this now. I thought they had the perfect opportunity to do something similar in ME1, where if you romance Liara then Ashley and Kaidan begin to form a relationship together, and then you've have a brilliantly dramatic scene where they're begging Shepard to save each other's life on Virmire. That would've been excellent.

I really don't think they're going to have Liara romance anyone but Shepard really, as I think they may make Liara a romance option for new Shepards in ME3. Likewise with Ashley or Kaidan, they will return as LIs for new Shepards. Consequently, they're going to want to keep Liara, Ashley and Kaidan single.

In case of ME 1 i don't think that Bioware never expect that those romances could have any serious impact within community and that's why they didn't "upgrade" possibility for non romanced "party"  (aka Ash+Kaidan) to form own emotional bond and making Virmire even more depresing experience:(...

Whole concept of keeping Lili out of core ME 2 events was illogical as i ponted early because of making Shepard "killable" during S - mission because that put in general question her whole effort to bring Shepard back to life only to lost him/her again in that freaking base???... furthermore if i was able to pull everybody safely out of that base then i would NOT BE ABLE to keep Lili safe whole time???... come on BW:blink:... have more trust in us.

But i think (as my sis pointed too) Lili, Ash/Kaidan were "removed" from game as active party members to NOT confused game newcomers and were replaced by such characters like Zaaed (good fire support asset but i am sure Ash could beat crap from him in long run.), Samara as Lili replacement in party... and fact that devs almost "forcing" PC to start another romance whit those new characters made me so furious.... so for me fact that paramour achievement is gray in ALL my ME 2 have for me same high value as "No one left behind" achievement" because Lili :wub:will remain as my only one Love option in ME <3 .

Since Shepard has foiled death throughout ME I can see someone at Bioware coming up with yet another way for Shepard to come out of that fall from Normandy 2 during suicide mission, improbable yes, but not impossible, if they did it would have to be seriously believable  if they were to continue that line of the story, if you noticed Shepard isn't shot, carried off by mech bugs or squashed by pylons, Shepard is whole and still hollering orrrdddeeersss .

I will say this though, my trust/faith in Bioware hinges on what they do with our Liara's story line, don't much care if the rest of the galaxy gets harvested by Reapers if they mess it up.

As much as i want to believe in that (for the sake of those who lost thier Sheps in that base) devs stated pretty harsh and clear in many interviews.
"IF Shepard die in Base then is "game over" for her/him and no Me 3 import will be possible because Shep will be flaged as irreversable dead":innocent:.
They pulled once stunt whit "killing" Shepard so and shackled players hands whit unrejectable work for Cerberus so i doubt that they will try again whit similar stuff...

Beside to loose Shepard in C-Base required perhaps more "work" than keep her/him safe because to get her/him killed you need practicly wiped out whole team so nobody will be able to pull Shep back to Normandy.