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[Unata]

Daammnn! Go away for a few hours and the forum explodes!

Ok, let me catch up here, it is my hope that BW does something emotional for LI cheaters, but in all honesty I can't
imagine anything to major with the Ashley/Kaidan one, Liara on the other hand is a much more "in the plot" figure,
she has a more involved part in ME2, she has a comic series all about her emotional ties to Shepard even if one
didn't romance her (parish the thought). I don't think BW would spend so much time with that type of character
development not to do something major with it, it will be interesting to see how they handle it.

If we don't get some sort of satisfaction <--key word, with our romance sub-plots, I know I wouldn't give a damn if
the Reapers cleaned house, they can have the heartless galaxy BW created.

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Like I said, BW would have to care what we think.  I don't think they do.

To be fair, I think the people who actually made BG 2, DA and ME 1 do care. But who's going to risk their job by speaking up against the changes that are imposed from above? You can't as easily change your employer or even start your own studio as you once could in this business. And especially not during an economic crisis.

if you are speaking about EA, I have doubts that EA would care at all about artisitic direction of the games to the point of dictating which characters will/will not be included in any particular game.  So long as it makes money.  I would put money on the fact that most "decision makers" at EA couldn't even list the names of the characters that appeared in ME1 and 2.

So, yes I do think it is the folks at BW that are making these decisions.  I just don't think that fan appreciation of characters or any form of BW feeling some need to "give something back to the fans" has any impact on who will or will not be in ME3.

[Derumiel]

btw, new page, new pic?

[JPfanner]

Probably kind of selfish, but the less time spent on any love-triangle or confrontations between lovers the better in my opinion. I'm never going to see any of that in any of my playthroughs anyway.

[Deturis90]

justinnstuff wrote...

Shepard and Liara - Lovers

Oh wow, that's :wub:

O.O
awesome !

[Unata]

Yeled wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

It seems like most people want a catfight for not only justification, they want it for gratification as well. Because they're so awesome that people will fight over them and just go insane at the thought of being denied the chance to drink from the fountain of ultimate greatness that is their sexual prowess.

I just think a cat fight seems out of character for most of the LIs (including the men):

Liara:  Should feel heartbroken and sad and hurt, as JLB and Les described.

Ash:  As I said, I could see her punching Shepard in the face and then walking away.  Her anger would be directed at Shep, not at her rival.

Kaiden:  He'd be hurt.  Probably say something about thinking he and Shep had something special, and learning he was wrong.  Then he'd mope a bit.

Jack:  I could see Jack going crazy and destroying stuff, I suppose.  But she'd feel betrayed.  I don't think she'd fight someone.

Miranda:  I could see Miranda defending herself if attacked, and even getting into an argument with someone.  But I doublt she'd start something.  She's too cool and collected.

Tali:  Honestly?  I don't think so.

Thane:  He'd feel sad, and then he'd prepare himself to die.

Garrus:  I think he'd just suggest that maybe friendship would be a better option for he and Shep.

Jacob:  Honestly I am not really sure.

Kelly:  She'd probably suggest a threesome!

/agree 100%

The only catfight type would be Jack imho, but as you said would probably be just trashing a few things.

Who is Jacob?

LOL Kelly! true true

[Derumiel]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...
Definitely, and BioWare will have to find some way to include them now.
I didn't do any of the romances in ME2 and I only liked Samara as a squadmate and two others (The only reason I use Zaeed is I think of him as the British version of Chuck Norris), but they are going to have a lot of pissed of ME2 LI fans if they don't at least put a cameo for the LIs in there.

It's what makes me extremely optimistic for the return of Liara and either Ashley or Kaidan in ME3. No matter what, in everyone's save Liara and one of the two Alliance soldiers are still alive. They're the old squadmates most likley to have huge story role in ME3, and receive the greatest amount of character depth and interaction. Can't wait until we get Liara back at our side, and help her resolve all of her problems and make her happy again.

On a similar note, I really want Ashley and Kaidan back again in ME3. Playing through ME1 again, you really appreciate just what great characters the pair of them are. Liara and Ash and Kaidan back for ME3!

And here is one point I am afraid of: BW created all these interesting characters (, ok not all of them, imo). With all their different fates and connections to Shepard. And i think it is most likely for Ash/Kaidan and Liara to have a bigger story role in ME3, but , and thats my point, BW probably has to cut here and there to make all possibilities fit in the story.
Don't get me wrong, they are important and beloved characters but they can't create the game just around them. I just hope they don't cut on the wrong sides...

[jlb524]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Did anyone here get the Ashley/Kaidan Liara confrontation?

Or did you guys just tell Ashley/Kaidan off right away and keep the romance with just Liara from the beginning?

I turn Kaidan down in the first dialog with him.  The confrontation scenes aren't bad though.  Everyone acts mature and handles it well.  These are the things I want to see with confrontation scenes and not like the uber-violent/crazy ME2 confrontation scenes (Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion).

[Yeled]

Derumiel wrote...

btw, new page, new pic?

Very nice pic!

[jlb524]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Ashley gets a bit more... angry then Kaidan does. The thing I like about Kaidan is that he is cool and calm. Ashley gets angry that you are interested in an alien.

Oh, I've honestly never seen the Ash/Liara confrontation.

[bjdbwea]

Nozybidaj wrote...

if you are speaking about EA, I have doubts that EA would care at all about artisitic direction of the games to the point of dictating which characters will/will not be included in any particular game. So long as it makes money. I would put money on the fact that most "decision makers" at EA couldn't even list the names of the characters that appeared in ME1 and 2.

So, yes I do think it is the folks at BW that are making these decisions. I just don't think that fan appreciation of characters or any form of BW feeling some need to "give something back to the fans" has any impact on who will or will not be in ME3.

I still have not fully discarded the theory that EA holds a grudge against Liara because of the media campaign against ME 1. I don't even know much about that whole debacle, but didn't they especially cite the Liara romance? EA doesn't like bad PR, like any company. We will see soon enough if there's anything to that theory.

That said, EA certainly does impose release dates, and which content to outsource into comics for example. Depending on when these decisions were made, there could just not have been enough time for the developers to do anything different. Plus, don't forget that the problems started way earlier. The decision was made not to produce an actual second part of a trilogy, but to make ME 2 a completely new game. I have little doubt that this would not have been the decision of the "little" people who actually worked on ME 1, and obviously cared so much about it. That the gentlemen in charge at BioWare don't care that much was obvious when they sold out.

But as far as I know, this topic isn't well liked in this forums, and it's already somewhat off-topic, so I'll leave it at that.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 22 mars 2010 - 08:17 .

[JPfanner]

Somebody1003 wrote...
Did anyone here get the Ashley/Kaidan Liara confrontation?
Or did you guys just tell Ashley/Kaidan off right away and keep the romance with just Liara from the beginning?

I got it my first playthrough ever. I was trying to just be nice and friendly with Kaiden like I was with everyone else. After that though I always shut him down forcefully as soon as possible and he still makes it sound I was leading him on with my evil "mixed signals".

I really don't see why people read into that confrontation that Liara is agreeing to a threesome. She's agreeing to concurrent relationships, probably mostly out of uncertainity with exactly what humans think about fidelity and exclusivity usually. Asari can only meld with one person at a time, and there is never any mention of them being in any kind of poly-whatever relationships.

EDIT: Seemingly random spacing in my posts is driving me mad.

Modifié par JPfanner, 22 mars 2010 - 08:18 .

[Yeled]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Definitely, and BioWare will have to find some way to include them now.
I didn't do any of the romances in ME2 and I only liked Samara as a squadmate and two others (The only reason I use Zaeed is I think of him as the British version of Chuck Norris), but they are going to have a lot of pissed of ME2 LI fans if they don't at least put a cameo for the LIs in there.

On a similar note, I really want Ashley and Kaidan back again in ME3. Playing through ME1 again, you really appreciate just what great characters the pair of them are. Liara and Ash and Kaidan back for ME3!

I agree.  I was a bit meh about Kaiden on my first playthrough years ago, but I think I might have been suffering from Post Traumatic Carth Disorder.  I really like him on my playthrough now, and if both my femshep (vanguard) and Liara weren't biotics I'm pretty sure he'd get to come on a lot of missions.

I really like how Kaiden and and Ash are just down to earth marines.  They aren't over the top charicatures like the ME2 squadmates.  Not that I dislike all the ME2 squadmates.  But there was definitely an attempt to make them more "awesome" and "totally kick-ass"  than the squadmates from ME!.