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jlb524 wrote...
If you recruit Liara first (which most here probably do ) you need to talk to Kaidan and turn him down before asking him about the last mission (i.e., Liara).  When you ask him if he has intentions on Liara, he gives you the 'MaleShepard' response as opposed to the response he gives a FemShep who is still 'romancing' him.

I must have always asked him about the mission before getting to the onerous task of hearing the "mixed signals" line.  Recruiting Liara is my top priority in the game, stopping Saren is just something to do after that : )  I feel all deprived now though that I never had a chance to assert my feelings for Liara so early on.

[lordstranger]

it is a bit sad that liara turned from the cute geeky archeologist to this blunt cooldblooded information dealer.

[Yeled]

lordstranger wrote...

it is a bit sad that liara turned from the cute geeky archeologist to this blunt cooldblooded information dealer.

A lot of us feel that the "blunt, coldblooded information dealer" is just a front Liara is putting up to hide how hurt and afraid she is.  A lot of what she says is awkward, like when she's threatening people, and she goes out of her way to hide the true reasons she is pursuing the SB.  She is clearly afraid that Shep will reject her because of her role in handing Shep over to Cerberus.

Of course, that whole scene is so poorly handled its difficult to ascertain what is actually happening and what is merely false conjecture to cover up poor writing.

[Driveninhifi]

I don't think that's sad - the sad part is the game doesn't let you go into any detail about her character. They could have done some very compelling stuff during the ME2 conversation:

What's the conflict between her feelings for Shepard vs her guilt vs her desire to take down the SB vs her fear of losing Shepard again?



All big questions that are kind of dropped on the floor. And once the suicide mission is over, they aren't as interesting since there's really no conflict stopping the two from getting back together.

[HomicidialFrog]

Gammalfarmor wrote...

**** guys, I need your help. In my main Shep I date Liara and Rex dies(lolmistake). Is it worth it to replay mass effect 1 just so that I date Liara and Rex dies?

First off, why would you want to kill Wrex? He's ridiculiously awesome and his cameo in ME2 was awesome too. His brother on the other hand, well I looked at him for a minute and said to myself "This guy is no where near the level of badassness that Wrex has. And he hasn't made that Krogan his b***ch that Wrex headbuts alot. *Slaps you*

Wrex should be alive in every playthrough you have ever done, maybe besides one if your curious on who Urdnot Wreav is and how he handles Urdnot. Terribly, I might add. Wrex does a way better job. Wreav isn't even trying to unite the Krogan Clans. So yes, just for the awesomeness that is Urdnot Wrex(AKA Krogan Chuck Norris)

Second, Liara(AKA Asari Chuck Norris.) yes, you should always have Liara as your LI, only exceptions are when your just curious on Ashley or Kaidan romance dialogue.

[jlb524]

General Stubbs wrote...
I also love Hale's voice when she says it, she sounds protective of Liara already.

Yes, it's quite a good delivery.  My favorite Hale lines are probably when Shepard's trying to console Liara after Benezia's death.  'Don't pretend this doesn't bother you.' and 'Are you going to be OK?'

I LOVE THOSE!!!

[HomicidialFrog]

Somebody1003 wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
Did anyone here get the Ashley/Kaidan Liara confrontation?
Or did you guys just tell Ashley/Kaidan off right away and keep the romance with just Liara from the beginning?

I got it my first playthrough ever. I was trying to just be nice and friendly with Kaiden like I was with everyone else. After that though I always shut him down forcefully as soon as possible and he still makes it sound I was leading him on with my evil "mixed signals".

I really don't see why people read into that confrontation that Liara is agreeing to a threesome. She's agreeing to concurrent relationships, probably mostly out of uncertainity with exactly what humans think about fidelity and exclusivity usually. Asari can only meld with one person at a time, and there is never any mention of them being in any kind of poly-whatever relationships.

EDIT: Seemingly random spacing in my posts is driving me mad.

I never took it as her wanting a threesome... she comes up to you so that you say who you are really interested in.

Its either Kaida/Ashley, or her.

I read into as her accepting a threesome because, knowing Liara. She's definatly a little...raunchy. I just can  oddly sense that into her character somehow.

And I think when she comes up to you she just wants to know who you want, either her or Ashley/Kaidan not realizing she could just sleep with Shepard and Ashley/Kaidan and when Shepard suggests it she pretty much doesn't object for the reason she just realized that Humans sometimes have Three-way relationships.

And she probally thought afterwards that she'll be Shepard's keeper or something. They actually start a romantic relationship and Kaidan/Ashley joins in when things get steamy to spice things up a little. I just somehow read that into Liara's character and it being a huge possibility. It explains why she pretty much doesn't object to it at all.

[HomicidialFrog]

yorkj86 wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Actually, she says she wants to AVOID a Renegade Shepard. She obviously sees him as a good friend but her code compells her to kill him. Although she can pretty much apprantly try and avoid Shepard at all costs because she probally understands what he's doing is very important to the Galaxy and probally more bad than good will come out of Shepard's death.

Also, it isn't bad writing that Samara still likes Shepard. She's a Renegade herself, she kills without mercy and does whatever it takes so that the ends justify the means. Everything a Renegade Shepard is, minus the religion and the fact that Shepard kills civilians but only when nessessary. In other words, Shepard can't be evil, everything you do in this game can be justified somehow. Although picking Morinth over Samara might have been a little extreme because it has no justifcation whatsoever.



Samara will probally make  sure she'll never come into contact with a Renegade Shepard after the Reaper Invasion is over. And by the mistake that she does, Shepard will probally own her.

And yet, she has an interest in returning to help a Paragon Shepard, if he should need it.

I'd say she's Lawful Neutral, but I don't want to bring D&D  in to this.  Samara plays both Paragon and Renegade simultaneously.

Yes, but Neutral=Renegade.

Remember you can't really be Evil in Mass Effect. Renegade is more of a Badass Hero meter whilst Paragon is just a Compassionate Hero meter.

So she's still Renegade. And because she wants to help a Paragon Shepard doesn't mean she isn't Renegade.

I could honestly see a Renegade Shepard and Paragon Shepard getting along. Not as best friends or anything but I can see them being tolerant of each other. There'll be alot of tension about each other's motives but as long as their long-term goals are in common, who cares?

[HomicidialFrog]

Somebody1003 wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

I read into as her accepting a threesome because, knowing Liara. She's definatly a little...raunchy. I just can  oddly sense that into her character somehow.

And I think when she comes up to you she just wants to know who you want, either her or Ashley/Kaidan not realizing she could just sleep with Shepard and Ashley/Kaidan and when Shepard suggests it she pretty much doesn't object for the reason she just realized that Humans sometimes have Three-way relationships.

And she probally thought afterwards that she'll be Shepard's keeper or something. They actually start a romantic relationship and Kaidan/Ashley joins in when things get steamy to spice things up a little. I just somehow read that into Liara's character and it being a huge possibility. It explains why she pretty much doesn't object to it at all.

No way, Im not sharing her with anyone!

I don't think it's YOU sharing HER, but more HER sharing YOU. Plus, I just said I think Liara would definatly be up for it. I doubt she'd like it very much though if there's no romance between Liara and Shepard involved and Kaidan/Ashley is just a considered a sex buddy for them both to spice things up a little.

[HomicidialFrog]

General Stubbs wrote...

@HomicidalFrog: I am pretty sure the real Chuck Norris is actually alive in ME1-2-3 and is the Shadow Broker.

That's a lie and you know it, if Chuck Norris was alive then that means Liara died yesterday. Oh and Chuck Norris wouldn't need to hide his identity, nor would he need an army.

[HomicidialFrog]

Somebody1003 wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

I read into as her accepting a threesome because, knowing Liara. She's definatly a little...raunchy. I just can  oddly sense that into her character somehow.

And I think when she comes up to you she just wants to know who you want, either her or Ashley/Kaidan not realizing she could just sleep with Shepard and Ashley/Kaidan and when Shepard suggests it she pretty much doesn't object for the reason she just realized that Humans sometimes have Three-way relationships.

And she probally thought afterwards that she'll be Shepard's keeper or something. They actually start a romantic relationship and Kaidan/Ashley joins in when things get steamy to spice things up a little. I just somehow read that into Liara's character and it being a huge possibility. It explains why she pretty much doesn't object to it at all.

No way, Im not sharing her with anyone!

I don't think it's YOU sharing HER, but more HER sharing YOU. Plus, I just said I think Liara would definatly be up for it. I doubt she'd like it very much though if there's no romance between Liara and Shepard involved and Kaidan/Ashley is just a considered a sex buddy for them both to spice things up a little.

No way, she was interested in just my Shep, not Ash or Kaidan.

Shes not Jack!
She loves me.<3:wub:

Once again, I think your kinda missing the meaning of my post.

I meant Ashley/Kaidan HAVE NO ROMANTIC INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER. While Liara stills love you, Ashley/Kaidan are just there for lust, not love.

And to just to recap.

Ashley/Kaidan= Not in relationship with Shepard or Liara, just there for casual sex between the three of them, once. Liara definatly wasn't interested in a relationship with Kaidan/Ashley.

Liara= With Shepard forever. She WAS interested in Shepard.

Modifié par HomicidialFrog, 22 mars 2010 - 09:33 .