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[Nozybidaj]

justinnstuff wrote...

CheesesackIII wrote...

Hey there guys. Haven't posted in this thread before, but I definately want to voice my support for Liara in general. If anyone's interested, I've written a short piece of fanfiction about the encounter on Illium, and I how I thought it should have played out:
http://www.fanfictio...0677/1/Mistakes
Just my 2 cents (or pence, since I live in England). Let me know if you like it.

Can't wait to check this out when I get home. 

Same. :happy:

[maikanix]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara was given her role in the comics and recovering Shepard's body because, despite what some will tell you, Liara is a major character in the trilogy and is probably the most important squaddie across the two games. The devs have probably always intended her to be a major character, and it shows. We just have to wait for the Liara DLC so that ME2 feels "complete".

Also, like Nozy said, I'm glad it's Liara that they gave the comic role to, as it means that she's the important squadmate who cares enough for Shepard to find his/her body. It expands on her vital and important role in the trilogy's story.

Right. Since if she's recruitable in ME2, she can die. And if she has too much of a part before the comic ends, then people will start to question why she isn't recruitable. I dunno. I'm still desperately clinging to that one look, and the shaking of Liara's head. Telling you she can't show more affection right now, but later she'll be able to.

[Corti78]

CheesesackIII wrote...

Hey there guys. Haven't posted in this thread before, but I definately want to voice my support for Liara in general. If anyone's interested, I've written a short piece of fanfiction about the encounter on Illium, and I how I thought it should have played out:
http://www.fanfictio...0677/1/Mistakes
Just my 2 cents (or pence, since I live in England). Let me know if you like it.

Very well written. This is how the reunion should have gone if they wanted it to be the troubled part of the relationship. Not the butchered scene they gave us.

Modifié par Corti78, 23 février 2010 - 09:14 .

[jlb524]

JPfanner wrote...

I think seeing her as needing redemption is quite frankly condescending. She has a goal and needs to kill some people along the way. That's pretty much the modus operandi for getting anything done in the Mass Effect universe. Like I said before, Garrus and Wrex were both pursuing goals that involved people in the way being killed. I don't really want to play the gender card, but honestly it seems like a lot of people just assume a woman can't be killing people without her "falling" or "needing saving".

I do agree with you here 100%.  Shepard does the same thing (goes out and kills bad guys).  The SB is evil and his minions are far from innocent.

[insomniac13]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Anyone remember the first time they ever heard this:

Uh..hello? Can someone help me? Please?

Can you hear me out there? I'm trapped I need help!

Ah memories.

Yeah... Though I still like the dialouge better when she got cabin fever and thinks Shepard is a hallucination. Its both funny and cute

Modifié par insomniac13, 23 février 2010 - 09:27 .

[Nozybidaj]

Littledoom wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Anyone remember the first time they ever heard this:

Uh..hello? Can someone help me? Please?

Can you hear me out there? I'm trapped I need help!

Ah memories.

The good old days when Liara was blue and sweet

/sigh  I hope my nerd rage wears off soon. I wouldn't mind getting a new ME1 game going.

[Nozybidaj]

Littledoom wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Littledoom wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Anyone remember the first time they ever heard this:

Uh..hello? Can someone help me? Please?

Can you hear me out there? I'm trapped I need help!

Ah memories.

The good old days when Liara was blue and sweet

/sigh  I hope my nerd rage wears off soon. I wouldn't mind getting a new ME1 game going.

Well I can guarantee you it will be back after you played ME1, it was like poring gasoline on a open flame for me

Yeah, I actually did start one and got to where I picked up Liara and just couldn't continue.  The overbearing dissapointment is still too strong.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I loved how in that interview that attributed the comic selling out to Liara's popularity. Makes me so happy to see she's a success.

Yeah, but if, like some of you have been fearing, she gets up to something with that Drell in one issue , that would probably sell out too. Just saying.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 23 février 2010 - 09:47 .

[screwoffreg]

JPfanner wrote...

I think seeing her as needing redemption is quite frankly condescending. She has a goal and needs to kill some people along the way. That's pretty much the modus operandi for getting anything done in the Mass Effect universe. Like I said before, Garrus and Wrex were both pursuing goals that involved people in the way being killed. I don't really want to play the gender card, but honestly it seems like a lot of people just assume a woman can't be killing people without her "falling" or "needing saving".

Perhaps this is true, but even the most Renegade Shepard is fundamentally still saving the galaxy.  He/she is never so evil as to stray from THAT road.

Liara is different.  Is the Shadow Broker "bad"? No, probably amoral in the sense that the free market isn't "evil" just totally without care for the people it hurts and destroys or as amoral as a bear who eats a human alive out of hunger and instinct.  Then does that make her ANY different than the Shadow Broker?  If the"major" sin of the Broker is that they worked with the Collectors, is that enough reason to destroy such an organization?  I imagine it is bad for the Shadow Broker's business if sentient life was annihilated, so that group may yet come around and be more of an asset to Shepard than an enemy.  Liara seems focused on destroying it "for Shepard" and "for Feron", but if both of them survive, what reason truly remains?  Personal vindictiveness? 

As for saying redemption is condescending, I would imagine many would disagree.  Hell, Shepard may need to come to task for what they have done to defeat the Reapers at the end of ME 3.  It is also a very powerful thematic element throughout story telling. Would you rather than Liara just be ultimately a good guy, clearly black and white without any sin upon her conscience?  We will see soon enough, I am sure, but don't ignore the power of redemption.  An entire religion is based on it, by the way .

[screwoffreg]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Littledoom wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Littledoom wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Anyone remember the first time they ever heard this:

Uh..hello? Can someone help me? Please?

Can you hear me out there? I'm trapped I need help!

Ah memories.

The good old days when Liara was blue and sweet

/sigh  I hope my nerd rage wears off soon. I wouldn't mind getting a new ME1 game going.

Well I can guarantee you it will be back after you played ME1, it was like poring gasoline on a open flame for me

Yeah, I actually did start one and got to where I picked up Liara and just couldn't continue.  The overbearing dissapointment is still too strong.

I really don't get the sense she hooks up with Feron.  The events of the comics aren't long after Shepard's death and, while people move on, talk about callous to jump in the sack with some dude months after a tramautic incident.  Also Feron is kind of a goof and once you've had the savior of the Galaxy, can a rogue Shadow Broker agent compare?!  At least if she had an affair with Thane, hes suave and sophisticated...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 23 février 2010 - 09:55 .

[WilliamShatner]

Just created my BG charcter.


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Modifié par WilliamShatner, 23 février 2010 - 09:56 .

[Nozybidaj]

screwoffreg wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Yeah, I actually did start one and got to where I picked up Liara and just couldn't continue.  The overbearing dissapointment is still too strong.

I really don't get the sense she hooks up with Feron.  The events of the comics aren't long after Shepard's death and, while people move on, talk about callous to jump in the sack with some dude months after a tramautic incident.  Also Feron is kind of a goof and once you've had the savior of the Galaxy, can a rogue Shadow Broker agent compare?!  At least if she had an affair with Thane, hes suave and sophisticated...

Think you hit the wrong quote button there, but I agree.  I don't think it would make any sense for her to hook up with anyone.  And it is weeks, not months after Shepard had just died.

Still, the quality of writing so far has not been exactly cream of the crop for Liara, so I could see them throwing it in there just for "shock value" regardless of if it makes sense or not.  "Hey know what would be 'dark and edgy'..." and the rest is history.

[Raanz]

Good fanfic Cheesesack.

[screwoffreg]

Nozybidaj wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Yeah, I actually did start one and got to where I picked up Liara and just couldn't continue.  The overbearing dissapointment is still too strong.

I really don't get the sense she hooks up with Feron.  The events of the comics aren't long after Shepard's death and, while people move on, talk about callous to jump in the sack with some dude months after a tramautic incident.  Also Feron is kind of a goof and once you've had the savior of the Galaxy, can a rogue Shadow Broker agent compare?!  At least if she had an affair with Thane, hes suave and sophisticated...

Think you hit the wrong quote button there, but I agree.  I don't think it would make any sense for her to hook up with anyone.  And it is weeks, not months after Shepard had just died.

Still, the quality of writing so far has not been exactly cream of the crop for Liara, so I could see them throwing it in there just for "shock value" regardless of if it makes sense or not.  "Hey know what would be 'dark and edgy'..." and the rest is history.

That would be more than lame, it would give Shepard a REASON to be pissed. Yes, I get people have to move on, but it just feels so unseemly to be deeply devoted to someone and the first guy who comes remotely close to you incites you to have sex with them.  I mean, hell, if Feron had been a Vorcha and showed some indications of "I am friendly to you", would Liara be THAT horny to jump on him then?  C'mon Bioware!!!!

[Driveninhifi]

It doesn't make sense for her to hook up with Feron. She hasn't known him for very long and she's crazy dedicated to Shepard. It would be very forced to put that into the remaining two issues. It's much more likely to be guilt that drives her.



Also, it's not that Shepard has to redeem Liara, it's that she has to redeem herself. She even says it in the comics: she feels horrible about Shepard's death and not being able to do anything. If she gets Feron killed, that's just more guilt. It's really about her and her own issues more than it is about the Shadow Broker.

Although I think revenge doesn't fit her character very well at all - like screwoffreg says, unless she discovers the Shadow Broker doing something really horrible she is somewhat of a hypocrite. Now, I would definitely argue that the Shadow Broker is amoral and that she is probably a waaaay nicer info broker than he is (she does do all her business in the open, face-to-face, after all). She still is doing it for revenge, and I don't think that fits the way she's presented in ME1 at all.

If they make it clear that the Shadow Broker has been attempting to kill her for 2 straight years, the anger makes more sense. Survival coupled with incredible guilt fits well, but I think there's a lot missing from her motivation in ME2.