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I wonder if the Asari have ever used the information-extraction version of the mind-joining to smuggle information, Johnny Mnemonic-style.

I don't know what made me think of that.

I've always thought that asari would be incredible at counter espionage.  Catch an agent, strap them to a chair, and then just pull whatever you want out of their heads.  Or even for determining criminal guilt.
Combine that with the information skills of the STG and you'd have an insane combination.  The STG could identify and capture targets, and the asari could process them.

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I never really thought Liara would be into a threesome. I have never picked that option, but I would assume Liara didn't fully understand what Shep was saying.
She comes across as though she never thought she would find love, but now she finally has with Shepard.

I don't think she would be into sex with random people 24/7. I don't even believe she ever slept with anyone else after Shepard died.
I don't believe it is in Liara's personality at all.



I don't think you guys are actually understanding me 100% , I'm probally explaining it badly.:whistle:I

I don't think she's sleazy or anything like that, and I'm like 100% certain she never slept with anyone after Shepard died nor is she interested in doing random people.

She definatly took the union as much more than just casual sex, but I think the Asari can have cheap sex without actually doing the Union. She definatly loves Shepard, no doubt about that regardless of whether you romanced her or not, which I find is cute. But I was merely suggesting the possibility that she was just up for a one-time only threesome with Shepard and Ashley/Kaidan. Remember she pretty much hasn't lost her virginity yet, and has probally only recently entered the Maiden Stage(AKA Puberty. Also AKA The time in your life your a little...steamy 24/7) so I think Liara didn't object merely because she was okay with it.

Consider how Asari are usually kind of sleazy, Liara is obviously not sleazy but classy. Now there probally like this because they was raised this way by older Asari who obviously unlike Humans are as Liara puts it "More accepting of their sexualities than other species." .  This probally means Liara was probally taught sex and being sleazy is okay, unlike female Humans where our morals and religions teach us we shouldn't just go sleeping with everything that moves(I'm looking at YOU, Kelly.). Obviously, Maiden's don't usually settle down but Liara is probally the exception but she's still a Maiden, so logically she probally won't see anything Morally wrong with a threesome as long it's just for one time and the third party(Ashley/Kaidan.) leaves the relationship after it so her and Shepard can live happily ever after.

Heck, in comparision to humans Liara's as close an Asari could possibly get to being a Nun. That's something.

So once again in basic:

Liara would possibly be okay with a threesome between Kaidan/Ashley and Shepard as long as it's just this once and Ashley/Kaidan leave. Whilst Shepard and Liara are still in love with each other.

I'm NOT suggesting Liara is sleazy.

I'm NOT suggesting Liara doesn't love Shepard and Shepard doesn't love Liara.


I think I understand, it's something to do about the Asari standards in general right?


Pretty much, I can't see her being raised to believe sex is wrong like we all believe here.

Remember she's not Human, she's likely to have a COMPLETELY different set of moralitiy regarding Sex.


Yeah thats what I thought you meant, because the Asari standards are different from humans

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As for the Feron thing - there's one issue left, she doesn't really like him and he pretty much has to die/get captured before they leave the base. I really don't think they can shoehorn anything in at this point.



Though they really should have gone into more detail about him in game once you find out she stole your body back. Her motivations in game are too hazy - they feel pretty forced.



She basically knew him like a week so while I could see her feeling very guilty 2 years later, I don't think he alone is enough to motivate her. Shepard definitely is, but then Shepard's return needs to have a big impact as well - which is something they totally ignore.

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JPfanner wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
I wonder if the Asari have ever used the information-extraction version of the mind-joining to smuggle information, Johnny Mnemonic-style.

I don't know what made me think of that.

I've always thought that asari would be incredible at counter espionage.  Catch an agent, strap them to a chair, and then just pull whatever you want out of their heads.  Or even for determining criminal guilt.
Combine that with the information skills of the STG and you'd have an insane combination.  The STG could identify and capture targets, and the asari could process them.

Its probably pretty hard to meld with someone for information thought if they are resisting.

When Shepard and Liara meld for the cipher she gets very tired, even though Shepard isnt resisting, so I cant imagine its always easy.

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Ever really occurred to anyone just how much of a bastard TIM is in Redemption when he flat out states that he's manipulating Liara emotionally in order to recover Shepard's body? He says something like "Nothing can compare to someone with a personal motives driving them." I really do think at the end of #4 it's going to turn out that TIM manipulates Liara into working for Cerberus, and stops her from fraternizing with Shepard by playing on her guilt for handing the body to Cerberus.


That SOB! I haven't read Redemption yet, it just came in the mail today

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@HomicidalFrog:
Sorry, I wan't trying to make it seem like you were saying Liara is sleazy or doesn't love Shepard.
I have never heard the dialogue or anything, but I just thought Liara might have misunderstood Shepard.

I understand what you are saying, but it just seems that even one threesome kind of seems a bit too extreme for Liara.
I just of think the amount she has explained how much the Union means to her and how she never thought about it until Shepard reinforces how she would only ever have sex with Shepard.
It would be a major even in her life to lose her virginity, I believe she feels that it would be a very special moment between her and Shepard.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I never really thought Liara would be into a threesome. I have never picked that option, but I would assume Liara didn't fully understand what Shep was saying.
She comes across as though she never thought she would find love, but now she finally has with Shepard.

I don't think she would be into sex with random people 24/7. I don't even believe she ever slept with anyone else after Shepard died.
I don't believe it is in Liara's personality at all.


I always wondered if she would find someone else after Shep dies.:unsure:


I can't see that happening, at all.

Remember that after the Union, apart of Shepard's mind was basically installed into Liara's. Would be just insulting to Shepard's memory if she just moved on. And I'd like to think Asari religions probally say your partner will meet you in the afterlife. So that's basically cheating on your dead partner who you'll be seeing in a few hundred years. And Liara looks religious too me. And since she follows "The Goddess" well, we only know two Asari religions one of them is similiar to Budhism where there isn't a god and you just get reincarnated after death.  Whilst the "Goddess" probally has an afterlife.


And by the odd chance she converts to Atheism, well she'll probally be reminded about Shepard literally everywhere she goes hundreds of years after he dies.

When she explains what happens after their partners die, I took it as more "After they die, although most of the time we're ready for it and aren't that upset, that's just because apart of them lives on in us."

Remember that Liara has all of Shepard's memories so she'll never forget him since she'd be forgeting like half of herself since Shepard is more or less now in Liara in a way, heck she could probally write Shepard's life story if she wanted too since she knows it all off by heart. It would be just as accurate as it would be if Shepard write it himself.

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GamerFSS86 wrote...

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Ever really occurred to anyone just how much of a bastard TIM is in Redemption when he flat out states that he's manipulating Liara emotionally in order to recover Shepard's body? He says something like "Nothing can compare to someone with a personal motives driving them." I really do think at the end of #4 it's going to turn out that TIM manipulates Liara into working for Cerberus, and stops her from fraternizing with Shepard by playing on her guilt for handing the body to Cerberus.


That SOB! I haven't read Redemption yet, it just came in the mail today


Yeah, I also think this is how it's going to play out. I also would not be surprised at all if TIM is the one that originally suggests to her that Shepard will hate her for giving Cerberus the body for her own "selfish" reasons.

Plus it would also explain how she managed to set up an info network and stay alive by herself.

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@HomicidalFrog:
Sorry, I wan't trying to make it seem like you were saying Liara is sleazy or doesn't love Shepard.
I have never heard the dialogue or anything, but I just thought Liara might have misunderstood Shepard.

I understand what you are saying, but it just seems that even one threesome kind of seems a bit too extreme for Liara.
I just of think the amount she has explained how much the Union means to her and how she never thought about it until Shepard reinforces how she would only ever have sex with Shepard.
It would be a major even in her life to lose her virginity, I believe she feels that it would be a very special moment between her and Shepard.

Yeah, I dont think she understood what Shepard really meant when he was implying the threesome...

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I can't see that happening, at all.

Remember that after the Union, apart of Shepard's mind was basically installed into Liara's. Would be just insulting to Shepard's memory if she just moved on. And I'd like to think Asari religions probally say your partner will meet you in the afterlife. So that's basically cheating on your dead partner who you'll be seeing in a few hundred years. And Liara looks religious too me. And since she follows "The Goddess" well, we only know two Asari religions one of them is similiar to Budhism where there isn't a god and you just get reincarnated after death.  Whilst the "Goddess" probally has an afterlife.


Also, how do future mates live up to the person who saved all living things in the universe from a cycle that had been happening for millions of years?

Liara in 500 years, to current mate: "Shepard was way better at everything than you. You are boring, and selfish in bed."

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HomicidialFrog wrote...

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I never really thought Liara would be into a threesome. I have never picked that option, but I would assume Liara didn't fully understand what Shep was saying.
She comes across as though she never thought she would find love, but now she finally has with Shepard.

I don't think she would be into sex with random people 24/7. I don't even believe she ever slept with anyone else after Shepard died.
I don't believe it is in Liara's personality at all.


I always wondered if she would find someone else after Shep dies.:unsure:


I can't see that happening, at all.

Remember that after the Union, apart of Shepard's mind was basically installed into Liara's. Would be just insulting to Shepard's memory if she just moved on. And I'd like to think Asari religions probally say your partner will meet you in the afterlife. So that's basically cheating on your dead partner who you'll be seeing in a few hundred years. And Liara looks religious too me. And since she follows "The Goddess" well, we only know two Asari religions one of them is similiar to Budhism where there isn't a god and you just get reincarnated after death.  Whilst the "Goddess" probally has an afterlife.

Yeah but look at the salarian on Illium, he says that he is the asaris second partner.:unsure:

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I can't see that happening, at all.

Remember that after the Union, apart of Shepard's mind was basically installed into Liara's. Would be just insulting to Shepard's memory if she just moved on. And I'd like to think Asari religions probally say your partner will meet you in the afterlife. So that's basically cheating on your dead partner who you'll be seeing in a few hundred years. And Liara looks religious too me. And since she follows "The Goddess" well, we only know two Asari religions one of them is similiar to Budhism where there isn't a god and you just get reincarnated after death.  Whilst the "Goddess" probally has an afterlife.


Also, how do future mates live up to the person who saved all living things in the universe from a cycle that had been happening for millions of years?

Liara in 500 years, to current mate: "Shepard was way better at everything than you. You are boring, and selfish in bed."

Well hopefully she says that to someone hitting on her, not a new mate.:unsure:

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I certainly wouldn't blame Liara for having other bondmates after my Shepard's death.

I stated earlier in this thread that humans tend to possess the notion that they "own" their spouse's body, mind and soul. The Asari don't seem to be sympathetic to that. They enjoy what time they have with their loved one, mourn after his/her death, and then eventually move on.

I, personally, think it's slightly selfish to expect a person who can live over 1000 years to have only one love, and I view love from the hopeless romantic's viewpoint. I'd be happier knowing that Liara has moved on after my Shepard's death, to find happiness and love in the arms of others. If my Shepard believes in the Hereafter, then he'll see her again on the other side.
I wouldn't think poorly of Liara if she did have only one bondmate in her life, though :wub:

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Driveninhifi wrote...

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Ever really occurred to anyone just how much of a bastard TIM is in Redemption when he flat out states that he's manipulating Liara emotionally in order to recover Shepard's body? He says something like "Nothing can compare to someone with a personal motives driving them." I really do think at the end of #4 it's going to turn out that TIM manipulates Liara into working for Cerberus, and stops her from fraternizing with Shepard by playing on her guilt for handing the body to Cerberus.


That SOB! I haven't read Redemption yet, it just came in the mail today


Yeah, I also think this is how it's going to play out. I also would not be surprised at all if TIM is the one that originally suggests to her that Shepard will hate her for giving Cerberus the body for her own "selfish" reasons.

Plus it would also explain how she managed to set up an info network and stay alive by herself.


you are probably right Driveninhifi (I'll have to turn into the hulk and rip TIM's head off and throw him into space),

I haven't read  Redemption yet by the way

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I certainly wouldn't blame Liara for having other bondmates after my Shepard's death.

I stated earlier in this thread that humans tend to possess the notion that they "own" their spouse's body, mind and soul. The Asari don't seem to be sympathetic to that. They enjoy what time they have with their loved one, mourn after his/her death, and then eventually move on.

I, personally, think it's slightly selfish to expect a person who can live over 1000 years to have only one love, and I view love from the hopeless romantic's viewpoint. I'd be happier knowing that Liara has moved on after my Shepard's death, to find happiness and love in the arms of others. If my Shepard believes in the Hereafter, then he'll see her again on the other side.

I wouldn't think poorly of Liara if she did have only one bondmate in her life, though :wub:

Then she would see her other mates on the other side too.

Id rather be her only one, if it were the other way around she'd be my Shep's only one.:wub:

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Then she would see her other mates on the other side too.

Id rather be her only one, if it were the other way around shed be my Shep's only one.:wub:


And they'd be happy to see her, too, as Shepard would.

I'm calculating this as a "net happiness"  gain.  Happiness gained from one love vs. happiness gained from more than one love.

Either way, it's a tender, romantic notion, not one that's really meant to be subjected to the rigours of logic.

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I certainly wouldn't blame Liara for having other bondmates after my Shepard's death.

I stated earlier in this thread that humans tend to possess the notion that they "own" their spouse's body, mind and soul. The Asari don't seem to be sympathetic to that. They enjoy what time they have with their loved one, mourn after his/her death, and then eventually move on.

I, personally, think it's slightly selfish to expect a person who can live over 1000 years to have only one love, and I view love from the hopeless romantic's viewpoint. I'd be happier knowing that Liara has moved on after my Shepard's death, to find happiness and love in the arms of others. If my Shepard believes in the Hereafter, then he'll see her again on the other side.
I wouldn't think poorly of Liara if she did have only one bondmate in her life, though :wub:


yeah I wouldn't want Liara living in hell for the rest of her life by not finding another love

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Somebody1003 wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

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I never really thought Liara would be into a threesome. I have never picked that option, but I would assume Liara didn't fully understand what Shep was saying.
She comes across as though she never thought she would find love, but now she finally has with Shepard.

I don't think she would be into sex with random people 24/7. I don't even believe she ever slept with anyone else after Shepard died.
I don't believe it is in Liara's personality at all.


I always wondered if she would find someone else after Shep dies.:unsure:


I can't see that happening, at all.

Remember that after the Union, apart of Shepard's mind was basically installed into Liara's. Would be just insulting to Shepard's memory if she just moved on. And I'd like to think Asari religions probally say your partner will meet you in the afterlife. So that's basically cheating on your dead partner who you'll be seeing in a few hundred years. And Liara looks religious too me. And since she follows "The Goddess" well, we only know two Asari religions one of them is similiar to Budhism where there isn't a god and you just get reincarnated after death.  Whilst the "Goddess" probally has an afterlife.

Yeah but look at the salarian on Illium, he says that he is the asaris second partner.:unsure:


I can't see it in Liara though. I'd think she'd be more loyal to Shepard than that, also as someone said earlier, imagine how unsatisfying her second partner would be compared to Shepard?

If it makes you feel better, remember that Shepard will likely live ALOT longer than the average human. I wouldn't be suprised if he lives up to around 200-700 years of age because of his cybernetics and the fact that he's a zombie helps.

And once again, Shepard will likely have a HUGE legacy, they'll probally be books, movies and video games all inspired by his achievements. Kids will probally dress up as him in Costume parties. He'd certainly be hard to forget about and his story will probally be told forever.

And once again, Liara would make a FORTUNE writing Shepard's biography, mainly because it may aswell be an autobiography since Liara basically is Shepard in a way since she has all his memories.

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I can't see it in Liara though. I'd think she'd be more loyal to Shepard than that, also as someone said earlier, imagine how unsatisfying her second partner would be compared to Shepard?

If it makes you feel better, remember that Shepard will likely live ALOT longer than the average human. I wouldn't be suprised if he lives up to around 200-700 years of age because of his cybernetics and the fact that he's a zombie helps.

And once again, Shepard will likely have a HUGE legacy, they'll probally be books, movies and video games all inspired by his achievements. Kids will probally dress up as him in Costume parties. He'd certainly be hard to forget about and his story will probally be told forever.

And once again, Liara would make a FORTUNE writing Shepard's biography, mainly because it may aswell be an autobiography since Liara basically is Shepard in a way since she has all his memories.

Hell yeah, she can say that she was the only one for the legendary Shepard.B)

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Somebody1003 wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

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I never really thought Liara would be into a threesome. I have never picked that option, but I would assume Liara didn't fully understand what Shep was saying.
She comes across as though she never thought she would find love, but now she finally has with Shepard.

I don't think she would be into sex with random people 24/7. I don't even believe she ever slept with anyone else after Shepard died.
I don't believe it is in Liara's personality at all.


I always wondered if she would find someone else after Shep dies.:unsure:


I can't see that happening, at all.

Remember that after the Union, apart of Shepard's mind was basically installed into Liara's. Would be just insulting to Shepard's memory if she just moved on. And I'd like to think Asari religions probally say your partner will meet you in the afterlife. So that's basically cheating on your dead partner who you'll be seeing in a few hundred years. And Liara looks religious too me. And since she follows "The Goddess" well, we only know two Asari religions one of them is similiar to Budhism where there isn't a god and you just get reincarnated after death.  Whilst the "Goddess" probally has an afterlife.

Yeah but look at the salarian on Illium, he says that he is the asaris second partner.:unsure:


I can't see it in Liara though. I'd think she'd be more loyal to Shepard than that, also as someone said earlier, imagine how unsatisfying her second partner would be compared to Shepard?

If it makes you feel better, remember that Shepard will likely live ALOT longer than the average human. I wouldn't be suprised if he lives up to around 200-700 years of age because of his cybernetics and the fact that he's a zombie helps.

And once again, Shepard will likely have a HUGE legacy, they'll probally be books, movies and video games all inspired by his achievements. Kids will probally dress up as him in Costume parties. He'd certainly be hard to forget about and his story will probally be told forever.

And once again, Liara would make a FORTUNE writing Shepard's biography, mainly because it may aswell be an autobiography since Liara basically is Shepard in a way since she has all his memories.



OMG! this starting to sound like Fable and Fable 2 lol

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To be honest, I can't see Liara moving on after Shepard passes away either. I think she'd take a role as possibly a leader in society, and raise her and Shepard's children in Shepard's memory. Shepard means that much to Liara, that I can't see her moving on.



Remember how un-asari like it is that Liara says she "couldn't let you go"? That's one thing that I think BW should be given credit for in the Liara reunion, that it shows how much Shepard means to her that she's acting atypically of the asari "long view".

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Shepard isn't just a zombie guys. He's also a cyborg. That makes him a zomborg, which in turn makes him immortal.

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The Asari generally take several bondmates during their lives. It's only "cheating" from the human perspective. Go go cultural relativism!

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To be honest, I can't see Liara moving on after Shepard passes away either. I think she'd take a role as possibly a leader in society, and raise her and Shepard's children in Shepard's memory. Shepard means that much to Liara, that I can't see her moving on.

Remember how un-asari like it is that Liara says she "couldn't let you go"? That's one thing that I think BW should be given credit for in the Liara reunion, that it shows how much Shepard means to her that she's acting atypically of the asari "long view".

Would have been nice though if that line was exclusive to Liara romancers though.