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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 03:38

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Somebody1003 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Playing through ME1 now with a FemShep, I have to say I do prefer Shepard as a woman, and I like Liara's romance with a FemShep too. I like to pretend that throughout her life, Shepard has had to deal with prejudice and being ostracised over being a lesbian, and was shunned somewhat by her fellow officers in the Alliance. When she found Liara, though, they fell into each other's arms and deeply in love. Shepard, having never really had a serious relationship before, and Liara, the shy, reclusive, compassionate scientist who hid herself away from other people. It's the perfect match, and they love each other deeply.

What about dont ask dont tell?:?

And I just cant see Shepard as a woman.:ph34r:

I dont know why so many people here dislike maleshep.:unsure:


Its not that I dislike maleshep, per se.  I suppose I find him kind of tame and average and boring.  Its just that I think femshep is pretty ****ing awesome, and maleshep pales in comparison.

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 03:40

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Somebody1003 wrote...

I dont know why so many people here dislike maleshep.:unsure:


In my mind, MaleShep is just boring.  The Male Space Marine thing has been overdone.  Plus, MaleShep can jump from female alien lover to female alien lover and that just seems too reminiscent of Capt. Kirk. (who is a douche).


Random Liara pic!!

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jlb524 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I dont know why so many people here dislike maleshep.:unsure:


In my mind, MaleShep is just boring.  The Male Space Marine thing has been overdone.  Plus, MaleShep can jump from female alien lover to female alien lover and that just seems too reminiscent of Capt. Kirk. (who is a douche).

My maleshep is faithful to Liara.:innocent:<3

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Yeah, not that parthenogenesis doesn't occur in nature with other animals, but I just laugh that some people (one man to be more specific) think it is a gender, lol.
Really? there were actually options to be a lesbian in Fallout 2? That sucks that Bethesda didn't actually add those lesbian relationships in there. That one conversation option with Amata in the beginning is the only way your character can show she is a lesbian.

Yep, I was just saying that we've done it with rabbits since 1936 as a point of interest.  Really, the only reason it hasn't been done with humans are ethical concerns and there is some contention whether people have already done it or not anyway.  Considering that Miranda is 35 in ME2, it seems like alternate means of human reproduction might not be common, but it isn't totally unheard of either and has been going on for some time.  I probably bore people with always posting about asari physiology and genetics, but it is really interesting to me and I enjoy discussing and speculating on it.
Fallout 2 has a lot of lesbian content.  I think they just released a compilation of Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout: Tactics here a little bit ago for the PC even.  You can get married to a woman, and she becomes a member of your party and follows you around the whole game.  You even get to talk about your wife with other people in the game.  It is even referenced when you get seduced by that mobster's wife.  It was a lot of fun all around.

I always assume someone somewhere has done any a scientific process that people do not find entirely ethical. I can't really see myself why parthenogenesis would be so bad to do for other forms of reproduction for humans, but I guess we may have to get better at playing with genetics first.

I actually enjoy talking and reading about science, it never bores me, which is probably a good thing since to become a neurological engineer requires a hell of a lot of time in school talking, reading, and writing about science, lol.

Maybe Bethesda will smarten up and let my character tell people she is a lesbian in Fallout: New Vegas.
I would think there would be more options like in Fallout 2 in post-apocolyptic Las Vegas.

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 03:45

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Somebody1003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I dont know why so many people here dislike maleshep.:unsure:


In my mind, MaleShep is just boring.  The Male Space Marine thing has been overdone.  Plus, MaleShep can jump from female alien lover to female alien lover and that just seems too reminiscent of Capt. Kirk. (who is a douche).

My maleshep is faithful to Liara.:innocent:<3


Yours was but most jumped on Tali the first chance they got.  The possibility to be a galactic space pimp is still there for MaleShep.

I kind of like that FemSheps only have Liara (for a female LI, anyway).  It just seems more special.  At first I was peeved that there wasn't a new f/f romance option for FemShep in ME2 but this was more out of principle than myself wanting to dump Liara for another (never!!!)   Now, I don't care anymore because Liara >>>>>>>>>>> all who are not Liara.

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jlb524 wrote...

In my mind, MaleShep is just boring.  The Male Space Marine thing has been overdone.  Plus, MaleShep can jump from female alien lover to female alien lover and that just seems too reminiscent of Capt. Kirk. (who is a douche).


Random Liara pic!!

Image IPB


Yay!! She's beautiful!

She looks like she's pondering something, like she's really deep in thought.

Like J said, the Male Space Marine thing has been done to death, and FemShep is alot more interesting. Plus, FemShep kinda reminds me of Samus Aran!

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 03:48

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Somebody1003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I dont know why so many people here dislike maleshep.:unsure:


In my mind, MaleShep is just boring.  The Male Space Marine thing has been overdone.  Plus, MaleShep can jump from female alien lover to female alien lover and that just seems too reminiscent of Capt. Kirk. (who is a douche).

My maleshep is faithful to Liara.:innocent:<3


Mine too. And he's really a bad boy.
But now one else for him after Liara... Image IPB

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jlb524 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I dont know why so many people here dislike maleshep.:unsure:


In my mind, MaleShep is just boring.  The Male Space Marine thing has been overdone.  Plus, MaleShep can jump from female alien lover to female alien lover and that just seems too reminiscent of Capt. Kirk. (who is a douche).

My maleshep is faithful to Liara.:innocent:<3


Yours was but most jumped on Tali the first chance they got.  The possibility to be a galactic space pimp is still there for MaleShep.

I kind of like that FemSheps only have Liara (for a female LI, anyway).  It just seems more special.  At first I was peeved that there wasn't a new f/f romance option for FemShep in ME2 but this was more out of principle than myself wanting to dump Liara for another (never!!!)   Now, I don't care anymore because Liara >>>>>>>>>>> all who are not Liara.

Well you also have Garrus and Thane.:whistle:

So you can be a space pimp too.;)

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Little Mama wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I dont know why so many people here dislike maleshep.:unsure:


In my mind, MaleShep is just boring.  The Male Space Marine thing has been overdone.  Plus, MaleShep can jump from female alien lover to female alien lover and that just seems too reminiscent of Capt. Kirk. (who is a douche).

My maleshep is faithful to Liara.:innocent:<3


Mine too. And he's really a bad boy.
But now one else for him after Liara... Image IPB

Yours didnt have the one night stand with Jack did he?:o

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 03:50

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Like J said, the Male Space Marine thing has been done to death, and FemShep is alot more interesting. Plus, FemShep kinda reminds me of Samus Aran!


She should; they do share a voice actress, after all... B)

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It looks like Ashley was going to be a possible LI for femshep too...
Femshep says all the lines that maleshep says to Ashley in this scene.

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 03:52

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Playing through ME1 now with a FemShep, I have to say I do prefer Shepard as a woman, and I like Liara's romance with a FemShep too. I like to pretend that throughout her life, Shepard has had to deal with prejudice and being ostracised over being a lesbian, and was shunned somewhat by her fellow officers in the Alliance. When she found Liara, though, they fell into each other's arms and deeply in love. Shepard, having never really had a serious relationship before, and Liara, the shy, reclusive, compassionate scientist who hid herself away from other people. It's the perfect match, and they love each other deeply.


The game takes place in the year (start) 2183, I would think that in 173 years people would get over same sex relationships stigmas, especialy since humans have run into a whole alien race that is just one gender, mono-gendered one at that, I would think the military would have just had the same rules of fraternizing within their ranks for either gender.

But I would agree with you for the most part though, I just see Shepard as never finding anyone before that pulled so hard on her heart strings, Liara is a perfect fit Image IPB

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Prioris wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Like J said, the Male Space Marine thing has been done to death, and FemShep is alot more interesting. Plus, FemShep kinda reminds me of Samus Aran!


She should; they do share a voice actress, after all... B)


Hmm I didn't know that. It seems there's a lot of gaming voice actors. Liara is voiced by the same person that voiced Lightning in FFXIII.

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She should; they do share a voice actress, after all... B)


I know, but they've both got the whole female spacefaring adventurer thing going on.

It's what stops FemShep from also reminding me of Alexandra Roivas and Dr Naomi Hunter. :P

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Playing through ME1 now with a FemShep, I have to say I do prefer Shepard as a woman, and I like Liara's romance with a FemShep too. I like to pretend that throughout her life, Shepard has had to deal with prejudice and being ostracised over being a lesbian, and was shunned somewhat by her fellow officers in the Alliance. When she found Liara, though, they fell into each other's arms and deeply in love. Shepard, having never really had a serious relationship before, and Liara, the shy, reclusive, compassionate scientist who hid herself away from other people. It's the perfect match, and they love each other deeply.


The game takes place in the year (start) 2183, I would think that in 173 years people would get over same sex relationships stigmas, especialy since humans have run into a whole alien race that is just one gender, mono-gendered one at that, I would think the military would have just had the same rules of fraternizing within their ranks for either gender.

But I would agree with you for the most part though, I just see Shepard as never finding anyone before that pulled so hard on her heart strings, Liara is a perfect fit Image IPB

I think that there may be some stigma however, to a human that becomes a bondmate with an asari.

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 03:55

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Well you also have Garrus and Thane.:whistle:


:lol:

No.    :sick:

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Well you also have Garrus and Thane.:whistle:


:lol:

No.    :sick:

Jacob?;)

You can hear it in femsheps voice, how much she wants him.B)

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Playing through ME1 now with a FemShep, I have to say I do prefer Shepard as a woman, and I like Liara's romance with a FemShep too. I like to pretend that throughout her life, Shepard has had to deal with prejudice and being ostracised over being a lesbian, and was shunned somewhat by her fellow officers in the Alliance. When she found Liara, though, they fell into each other's arms and deeply in love. Shepard, having never really had a serious relationship before, and Liara, the shy, reclusive, compassionate scientist who hid herself away from other people. It's the perfect match, and they love each other deeply.

I always wonder about that happening in Shepard's history as well. What you said seems like it would be the most likely thing to happen.
I can imagine there will always be bigoted and ignorant people, alien and human.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

It looks like Ashley was going to be a possible LI for femshep too...
Femshep says all the lines that maleshep says to Ashley in this scene.


Always thought she should have been in the first place, just felt like she should have been from the get-go.

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The game takes place in the year (start) 2183, I would think that in 173 years people would get over same sex relationships stigmas, especialy since humans have run into a whole alien race that is just one gender, mono-gendered one at that, I would think the military would have just had the same rules of fraternizing within their ranks for either gender.

But I would agree with you for the most part though, I just see Shepard as never finding anyone before that pulled so hard on her heart strings, Liara is a perfect fit Image IPB


I still think there would be some degree of teasing done at the expense of lesbian FemShep. I'm afraid there will always be bigotry and discrimination in some form or another, it's just human nature to prejudge.

I just think it makes the FemShep/Liara romance alot more romantic, sweet and heartwarming. Two women finally find trust, love and companionship in the arms of each other.

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Unata wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Playing through ME1 now with a FemShep, I have to say I do prefer Shepard as a woman, and I like Liara's romance with a FemShep too. I like to pretend that throughout her life, Shepard has had to deal with prejudice and being ostracised over being a lesbian, and was shunned somewhat by her fellow officers in the Alliance. When she found Liara, though, they fell into each other's arms and deeply in love. Shepard, having never really had a serious relationship before, and Liara, the shy, reclusive, compassionate scientist who hid herself away from other people. It's the perfect match, and they love each other deeply.


The game takes place in the year (start) 2183, I would think that in 173 years people would get over same sex relationships stigmas, especialy since humans have run into a whole alien race that is just one gender, mono-gendered one at that, I would think the military would have just had the same rules of fraternizing within their ranks for either gender.

But I would agree with you for the most part though, I just see Shepard as never finding anyone before that pulled so hard on her heart strings, Liara is a perfect fit Image IPB


there is to many hateful gay bashers in this world for that to happen, as for my opinion---I believe in freedom of sexualty to do what you wish.

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Unata wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Playing through ME1 now with a FemShep, I have to say I do prefer Shepard as a woman, and I like Liara's romance with a FemShep too. I like to pretend that throughout her life, Shepard has had to deal with prejudice and being ostracised over being a lesbian, and was shunned somewhat by her fellow officers in the Alliance. When she found Liara, though, they fell into each other's arms and deeply in love. Shepard, having never really had a serious relationship before, and Liara, the shy, reclusive, compassionate scientist who hid herself away from other people. It's the perfect match, and they love each other deeply.


The game takes place in the year (start) 2183, I would think that in 173 years people would get over same sex relationships stigmas, especialy since humans have run into a whole alien race that is just one gender, mono-gendered one at that, I would think the military would have just had the same rules of fraternizing within their ranks for either gender.

But I would agree with you for the most part though, I just see Shepard as never finding anyone before that pulled so hard on her heart strings, Liara is a perfect fit Image IPB


there is to many hateful gay bashers in this world for that to happen, as for my opinion---I believe in freedom of sexualty to do what you wish.


Same. Bigots can go to hell. :devil:

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jlb524 wrote...

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Well you also have Garrus and Thane.:whistle:


:lol:

No.    :sick:


Garrus has a nice personality (with exception to his calibrations fetish) but Turians have mostly a exoskeleton and kissing a Turian would be like kissing a wall and Thane is just to weepy for a LI for Shepard, I couldn't imagine someone with that strong of a character to fall for weepy dude, doesn't fit imho.

Liara is perfect fit Image IPB

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Posté 24 mars 2010 - 04:04

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Yeled wrote...

I don't think it was EA. I think EA may have given them a release date and that rushed BioWare a bit. And yeah, they probably needed to avoid spoilers for the comics.

But the idea to keep Liara out of the squad was BioWare's, and it was there from the beginning. They executed that design decision poorly, coming up with excuses rather than quality storytelling in order to make it happen. Someone rightfully pointed out that the only difference between Liara and any squadmate in ME2 was that they didn't let you resolve her issue or promise to help her later. And the only way they thought of to achieve that was to make Shepard sit there like an idiot and not react.

That's not on EA. That's on BioWare.


Part of it as well is I think they got some really popular voice talent and once they realized Miranda was going to be voiced and modeled somewhat after Yvonne... they wanted you to cheat on Liara and whoever. It gives them an easy out if they choose to not make her a squadmate in ME3.

Regardless of how I feel about Miranda (And I like her quite a bit actually, and not just for her looksImage IPB) if Liara is regulated to non-playable NPC or someone who has no chance to continue as your LI I will not purchase ME3. I've played ME1 more times than I can remember because of Liara and the relationship you can build with her. Thought it would continue in some respect in ME2 and was proven very wrong. I wasn't happy with her role as most weren't and if that is how Bioware chooses to continue I believe they will lose a lot more than they gain.

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Garrus has a nice personality (with exception to his calibrations fetish) but Turians have mostly a exoskeleton and kissing a Turian would be like kissing a wall and Thane is just to weepy for a LI for Shepard, I couldn't imagine someone with that strong of a character to fall for weepy dude, doesn't fit imho.

Liara is perfect fit Image IPB


I kept hearing from other places that Thane's relationship with femshep was him being a whiner. Femsheps get screwed outside of Liara. Thane is a whiner, Jacob is boring, but Kaidan seems cool. I dunno, I play a maleshep because I make male characters usually, and I'm not familiar with Kaidan's romance. I make female characters for fantasy games though. Female casters. Males look stupid in robes.
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