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JPfanner wrote...

Liara tells you why sifting through Shepard's head is exhausting. When you tell her that you came across a working Prothean Beacon she says that she's impressed, that Shepard must be remarkably strong-willed because those beacons destroy minds. And the beacon on Eden Prime blew up in mid-transfer and knocked Shepard out to boot.
So when she is melding in the conference room she is reliving Shepards exposure to those mind-destroying beacons, in which one of them blew up, and also fighting against Shepard's subconscious the whole time. Shiala on Feros doesn't sort through Shepard being exposed to the beacon, she transfers the Cipher from herself to Shepard.
My impression is that they can share physical sensation, sort through/transfer information, form a union which is a mental and phyiscal joining, and then the version of the union wherein they also initiate parthogenesis and fertilize the gamete with the gestalt nervous system.

Did you notice the perplexed look Shiala has on her face just after giving Shepard the cipher? she saw more then just giving it, imho



She sees more then she gave

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She sees more then she gave

Yeah, and actually I have ALWAYS wondered what was up with that.  She seems almost angry or something there for a second.  And I thought maybe it was because we'd killed Benezia, since I usually do Noveria first, but then I did Feros before Noveria, and she still gets that look on her face.  Argh, now I'm going to be obsessed with that again.

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yorkj86 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles,
Is it just me, or does Liara have a little bit of a tummy in that picture?    Not that I think it detracts from her beauty

It's that armor from me1, made all females look like they either had a bit of a tummy or they had serious sway-backs

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JPfanner wrote...

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She sees more then she gave

Yeah, and actually I have ALWAYS wondered what was up with that.  She seems almost angry or something there for a second.  And I thought maybe it was because we'd killed Benezia, since I usually do Noveria first, but then I did Feros before Noveria, and she still gets that look on her face.  Argh, now I'm going to be obsessed with that again.

I've got that whole scene on Fraps just so I could study it, there is something going on in Shiala's mind over that transfer and ME2 encounter with her didn't help me much on figureing it out, felt like telling her, "Ah, No, Liara is the only one for me, shoo"

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This is a nice one of Liara, she has so many expressions

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JPfanner wrote...

Unata wrote...
She sees more then she gave

Yeah, and actually I have ALWAYS wondered what was up with that.  She seems almost angry or something there for a second.  And I thought maybe it was because we'd killed Benezia, since I usually do Noveria first, but then I did Feros before Noveria, and she still gets that look on her face.  Argh, now I'm going to be obsessed with that again.

I've got that whole scene on Fraps just so I could study it, there is something going on in Shiala's mind over that transfer and ME2 encounter with her didn't help me much on figureing it out, felt like telling her, "Ah, No, Liara is the only one for me, shoo"

The only things I could figure it could be was Benezia, which doesn't seem to be the case.  Then I thought maybe since she does have the Cipher herself that maybe she can soak the Beacons without stress and she saw what Saren was up to, but you'd think she would have seen that when she gave the Cipher to Saren.  Plus she does seem genuinely remorseful and wants to help, and denies knowing what Saren is up to.
So the only thing I could think of that wasn't disproven, was that she is intimidated/perplexed a bit by how awesome Shepard's mind is.  And I do think there is something weird with Shepard's mind, partially from being strong-willed, but I also think that Beacon exploding did something.  Then Shepard gets exposed to a ton of other Prothean psionic devices, especially if you do the sidemissions.  Shiala makes a big deal of the Cipher, and then Shepard just soaks it all up without a problem and stands there going "Hmm." for a few seconds .

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JPfanner wrote...

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JPfanner wrote...

Unata wrote...
She sees more then she gave

Yeah, and actually I have ALWAYS wondered what was up with that.  She seems almost angry or something there for a second.  And I thought maybe it was because we'd killed Benezia, since I usually do Noveria first, but then I did Feros before Noveria, and she still gets that look on her face.  Argh, now I'm going to be obsessed with that again.

I've got that whole scene on Fraps just so I could study it, there is something going on in Shiala's mind over that transfer and ME2 encounter with her didn't help me much on figureing it out, felt like telling her, "Ah, No, Liara is the only one for me, shoo"

The only things I could figure it could be was Benezia, which doesn't seem to be the case.  Then I thought maybe since she does have the Cipher herself that maybe she can soak the Beacons without stress and she saw what Saren was up to, but you'd think she would have seen that when she gave the Cipher to Saren.  Plus she does seem genuinely remorseful and wants to help, and denies knowing what Saren is up to.
So the only thing I could think of that wasn't disproven, was that she is intimidated/perplexed a bit by how awesome Shepard's mind is.  And I do think there is something weird with Shepard's mind, partially from being strong-willed, but I also think that Beacon exploding did something.  Then Shepard gets exposed to a ton of other Prothean psionic devices, especially if you do the sidemissions.  Shiala makes a big deal of the Cipher, and then Shepard just soaks it all up without a problem and stands there going "Hmm." for a few seconds .

They say that we only use 10% of our brain nowdays, I kinda thought that maybe with all the exposures, as you say, Shepard's brain is running more in the 50%-75% or more. it befuddles Shiala and exhausts Liara out, since for Liara anyway it's her first time melding, the thoughtful look Shepard has after the cipher transfer adds to that thought as well.

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I agree, that look could just be about her thinking to herself...I didn't know humans minds were this complex and developed. Shepard is special for sure. But I think other races look down on humans, to see that we aren't as simple as they think, something of a bully as Liara calls it, surprises her.

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They say that we only use 10% of our brain nowdays, I kinda thought that maybe with all the exposures, as you say, Shepard's brain is running more in the 50%-75% or more. it befuddles Shiala and exhausts Liara out, since for Liara anyway it's her first time melding, the thoughtful look Shepard has after the cipher transfer adds to that thought as well.

Well Liara says she's never entered a union with anyone, like as in a sexual relations context.  I think it'd be a bit weird if asari didn't use the information meld amongst themselves for at least teaching purposes, if not the casual sharing of experiences.  I've even wondered if mothers might not talk to, or at least comfort, their daughters in the womb.
I do think that Liara becomes exhausted partly because of Shepard being Shepard, but also because she is processing Shepard's exposure to the Beacons and she does make a point of how rare it is for anyone to be able to get any information from them, let alone come away without their mind destroyed.
Shiala already has the Cipher herself and can process Prothean psionics, but I definitely do think she sees something about Shepard that freaks her out a bit.

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Quoting this again since I didn't post yesterday but...

Shadowcat101 wrote...

Ok this is the piece I was working on. Tried to do a background on this one. Only ever drawn a background once before, so I do need more practice with them. I mainly don’t do them because of the time it takes, and to me it’s just filler for the character. But this one sort of needed it to come across right. Liara just in a swimsuit seems wrong to me. But Liara in a swimsuit relaxing but working at the same time fits a bit better…. I think. Let me know what you think.

Very well done Shadowcat. It's a great contrast between relaxation and working.

Marcin R wrote...

new page-new pic:

I like the idea of the theme in this one using the snowflakes to illustrate the idea of Noveria. I think it could be pushed even further.

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JPfanner wrote...

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They say that we only use 10% of our brain nowdays, I kinda thought that maybe with all the exposures, as you say, Shepard's brain is running more in the 50%-75% or more. it befuddles Shiala and exhausts Liara out, since for Liara anyway it's her first time melding, the thoughtful look Shepard has after the cipher transfer adds to that thought as well.

Well Liara says she's never entered a union with anyone, like as in a sexual relations context.  I think it'd be a bit weird if asari didn't use the information meld amongst themselves for at least teaching purposes, if not the casual sharing of experiences.  I've even wondered if mothers might not talk to, or at least comfort, their daughters in the womb.
I do think that Liara becomes exhausted partly because of Shepard being Shepard, but also because she is processing Shepard's exposure to the Beacons and she does make a point of how rare it is for anyone to be able to get any information from them, let alone come away without their mind destroyed.
Shiala already has the Cipher herself and can process Prothean psionics, but I definitely do think she sees something about Shepard that freaks her out a bit.

Oh I agree, didn't mean it as her only ever meld, just her first time with a human and a complex mind at that, can't imagine all that stuff floating around in Shepards mind would sit easy with anyone. Liara's meld (before the romance) was deeper in that she has to help sort out some of that floating *stuff* where as Shiala just was suppose to give the cipher, but she got more out of that then she thought. I think anyway.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hmm, that is an interesting way of looking at that picture, that it's a reference to Noveria as a whole. If it weren't for the snowflakes, I'd say Benezia's presence in the pic would be a little out of place, considering that the main focus of the picture seems to be intended to be Liara. If the intention were to showcase what happens to Liara on Noveria, then Benezia being in the pic makes a little more sense.

You know when you think about it, Liara has had ALOT of growing up? sort of speaking, tossed at her from the point of being freed from the force field on Therum to her being an Information broker on Illium, for 50 years she's been puttering about ruins, then suddenly sought after by Saren, meets Shepard, her Mother dies, they chase Saren, save the galaxy, then looses Shepard, man that's a lota crap to deal with within 2 or so years, it's a wonder she hasn't gone off the deep end.

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What do you feel her expression is here?



And this one?

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I like Shadowcat's picture. Just makes me kind of sad that the screen with the Shadow Broker on it is the one she is looking at and Shepard's screen is off to the side : (

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Well, I had to pretend like I noticed something besides her sassy blue bottom : )

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JPfanner wrote...

I like Shadowcat's picture. Just makes me kind of sad that the screen with the Shadow Broker on it is the one she is looking at and Shepard's screen is off to the side : (

Nice spotting JP . I was also thinking of having a third screen there with T.I.M on it, but thought it would be too much.