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[bjdbwea]

So anyway, I noticed the Awakening forums read almost as critical as this thread. Nothing to glee about of course, it's just sad. I still can't understand why they gave all DA LIs the same treatment as Liara. Some even worse. The only somewhat logical reasons for ME 2 - the "comic problem" and the wish to bring in new players - both never applied to the DA expansion.

[ratzerman]

JPfanner wrote...

It just shows up as a codex entry.  I figured it'd be a constructive use of time, trying to get a better understanding of asari and maybe pick up a few things to share with Liara.  Nothing wrong with having some fun within the relationship.  Liara is definitely very passionate towards Shepard, the way she snatches up Femshep and brings her in for the kiss in ME1 makes me all swoony.

So Fornax shows up as a codex entry?  Well, that's not so bad.  I thought it was added to your quarters, like it was laying on the coffee table or something.  It's not that I'm a prude, or anything.... I just thought that having a porno mag sitting in your quarters for everyone to see was a kind of creepy.

And the femShep face-grab smooch is my favorite moment of the entire series, thus far.  Liara is just so.... explosive in that scene.  Such unexpected passion.  I still get goosebumps just thinking about it. 

[JPfanner]

AndroLeonidas wrote...
I'm saying they would not need to work to mentally reconstruct him.

Exposure to the vacuum of space would have frozen him within seconds. According to doctors today, the brain can live for up to 24 hours before it begins to completely shut down. Now... if Shepard is frozen while in space as Miranda states in her logs, and then put in a cryo chamber... his body and all brain functions were paused in mid function the moment he was frozen. Essentially in mid thought process. When Cerberus recovered him and used their technology to thaw him out... essentially his brain would still be in the middle of the process it was conducting when he was frozen. He would have lost nothing of whom he was, memories, beliefs, morals... prior to be frozen... theoretically.

And given Cerberus's dislike of aliens... do you honestly believe they would bring an Asari in to help them rebuild Shepard? I don't believe that for a second.

Yeah, I'm familiar with things like cold water drowning.  You don't freeze in seconds in a vacuum, especially when you're still in an insulated hard suit.  http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html covers some of what happens to an unprotected human exposed.
We don't know how long it took the Blue Suns to find and recover Shepard's body, but I really doubt it was within 24 hours of the Normandy being destroyed.  And being frozen solid "naturally" destroys cell structures because of the expansion.  Miranda just says Shepard was frozen at some point, along with being burned, and suffering extensive cellular decay.
Shepard was dead.  Not in any kind of naturally occuring cryogenic stasis.
Liara not being used to mentally recontruct Shepard has nothing to do with Cerberus's attitudes.  TIM will use whatever works to get what he wants done as he has proven repeatedly.  Liara wasn't used because Shepard being dead is totally downplayed in every way and the player is just supposed to accept that Cerberus magically brought you back to life exactly the same.

[AndroLeonidas]

JPfanner wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...
I'm saying they would not need to work to mentally reconstruct him.

Exposure to the vacuum of space would have frozen him within seconds. According to doctors today, the brain can live for up to 24 hours before it begins to completely shut down. Now... if Shepard is frozen while in space as Miranda states in her logs, and then put in a cryo chamber... his body and all brain functions were paused in mid function the moment he was frozen. Essentially in mid thought process. When Cerberus recovered him and used their technology to thaw him out... essentially his brain would still be in the middle of the process it was conducting when he was frozen. He would have lost nothing of whom he was, memories, beliefs, morals... prior to be frozen... theoretically.

And given Cerberus's dislike of aliens... do you honestly believe they would bring an Asari in to help them rebuild Shepard? I don't believe that for a second.

Yeah, I'm familiar with things like cold water drowning.  You don't freeze in seconds in a vacuum, especially when you're still in an insulated hard suit.  http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html covers some of what happens to an unprotected human exposed.
We don't know how long it took the Blue Suns to find and recover Shepard's body, but I really doubt it was within 24 hours of the Normandy being destroyed.  And being frozen solid "naturally" destroys cell structures because of the expansion.  Miranda just says Shepard was frozen at some point, along with being burned, and suffering extensive cellular decay.
Shepard was dead.  Not in any kind of naturally occuring cryogenic stasis.
Liara not being used to mentally recontruct Shepard has nothing to do with Cerberus's attitudes.  TIM will use whatever works to get what he wants done as he has proven repeatedly.  Liara wasn't used because Shepard being dead is totally downplayed in every way and the player is just supposed to accept that Cerberus magically brought you back to life exactly the same.

With the number of seal ruptures that we saw air leaking out of I'd say his suit was no longer insulated. Regardless of how long it took him to freeze solid... and I stand corrected on that btw... it would be pretty quick I think at -273C.

They had to have retrived him relatively quickly or else he woul dhave burned up in the atmosphere as close as he was to the planet. Even skipping across the outer atmosphere would have done that I think.

Shepard was dead yes... but in the comic his body is obviously in some sort of stasis tube or container. We don't really know what... I'm just guessing.

It's not really magically if you consider the advances in medical science in the Mass Effect universe. Your opinion is that they had to have used Asari to make sure he was mentally the same person. It is my opinion that they did not have too.

Oh well... we is at an empass.

[Unata]

JPfanner wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...
I'm saying they would not need to work to mentally reconstruct him.

Exposure to the vacuum of space would have frozen him within seconds. According to doctors today, the brain can live for up to 24 hours before it begins to completely shut down. Now... if Shepard is frozen while in space as Miranda states in her logs, and then put in a cryo chamber... his body and all brain functions were paused in mid function the moment he was frozen. Essentially in mid thought process. When Cerberus recovered him and used their technology to thaw him out... essentially his brain would still be in the middle of the process it was conducting when he was frozen. He would have lost nothing of whom he was, memories, beliefs, morals... prior to be frozen... theoretically.

And given Cerberus's dislike of aliens... do you honestly believe they would bring an Asari in to help them rebuild Shepard? I don't believe that for a second.

Yeah, I'm familiar with things like cold water drowning.  You don't freeze in seconds in a vacuum, especially when you're still in an insulated hard suit.  http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html covers some of what happens to an unprotected human exposed.
We don't know how long it took the Blue Suns to find and recover Shepard's body, but I really doubt it was within 24 hours of the Normandy being destroyed.  And being frozen solid "naturally" destroys cell structures because of the expansion.  Miranda just says Shepard was frozen at some point, along with being burned, and suffering extensive cellular decay.
Shepard was dead.  Not in any kind of naturally occuring cryogenic stasis.
Liara not being used to mentally recontruct Shepard has nothing to do with Cerberus's attitudes.  TIM will use whatever works to get what he wants done as he has proven repeatedly.  Liara wasn't used because Shepard being dead is totally downplayed in every way and the player is just supposed to accept that Cerberus magically brought you back to life exactly the same.

You can be burned in a frozen enviroment also, I have this image in my mind about how they found Shepard, sure the suit was torn or tattered but as long as the Helmit remained on the head I can believe the "essentially his brain would still be in the middle of the process it was conducting when he was frozen. He would have lost nothing of whom he was, memories, beliefs, morals... prior to be frozen... theoretically"  part of what Andro is saying, if you consider that the helmit and N7 shoulder piece was left (shoulder piece to be picked up by Legion) they would have removed it to double check ID.

[JaylaClark]

Regarding DA:A, what their issue was, was time. Any time a full expansion comes out six months after the game it's for - not counting Sims because I don't consider those 'full' - it's practically ET-2600 levels of 'rushed'. Romances are the most expendable content.
In other words, DON'T rush the Liara DLC Casey and this thread WILL be happier.

[bjdbwea]

Bah, the whole "hey, we're letting Shepard die, how cool is that!" idea was just lame from the beginning. The whole story should've been completely different.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 mars 2010 - 07:42 .

[Unata]

I took liberties on this one, removed the other two ladies, thought the Liara and Benezia part of it was nice in and of it's self

[HomicidialFrog]

bjdbwea wrote...

Bah, the whole "hey, we're letting Shepard die, how cool is that!" idea was just lame from the beginning. The whole story should've been completely different.

Hell no, my Shepard is now a Cyborg and considering my huge love for synthetics, cyborgs and robots, I haven't felt like I've played a more badass character in my life.

[HomicidialFrog]

bjdbwea wrote...

Bah, the whole "hey, we're letting Shepard die, how cool is that!" idea was just lame from the beginning. The whole story should've been completely different.

Double post, whoops.

Modifié par HomicidialFrog, 25 mars 2010 - 07:50 .

[Unata]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Dont tell me you have left the maleshep boat too Les.

Im all alone now!

I'm playing through ME1 with my awesome, sexy FemShep at the moment, so right now Shepard is female in my current mindset.

I'm not abandoning my original, canon DudeShep. I do like Shepard as a woman alot better though. I prefer Liara's romance with a FemShep, too.

Besides, any Liara/Shepard romance is awesome!

I still have my 4 Malesheps, it's just hard getting them through ME2 though, course they are a bit out numbered with my 26 Femsheps.

[HomicidialFrog]

Somebody1003 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

And the femShep face-grab smooch is my favorite moment of the entire series, thus far.  Liara is just so.... explosive in that scene.  Such unexpected passion.  I still get goosebumps just thinking about it. 

Completely agree ratz, it's one of the reasons why the Liara love scene is so beautiful. Throughout the entire game, she's been so reserved, so shy and introverted. Until finally, her passion for Shepard spills over and she just grabs her face, and kisses her with an explosive passion. I love how Liara grabs Shepard's head and pulls her in for the kiss, it's like Liara is saying "She's mine, and this is absolutely what I want. I desperately love you" Sends shivers down my spine, Liara's explosive love for Shepard.

Dont tell me you have left the maleshep boat too Les.

Im all alone now!

Well, I've only played Femshep once to satisify my curiousity about the difference in conversations with characters in ME1 and ME2. Didn't get into it, mainly because I'm a guy so naturally I can't relate to female protagonists that well, although I don't really mind female Protagonists, I usually be a Dude in games you can choose your gender.

Also, I know people are going to disagree with me on this, ALOT. But Jennifer Hale is a little unconvincing as a Military Officer, there I said it. Sure, Mark Meer is bland in ME1 but hell it makes him a little more convincing, Bioware even asked him to hold back some of his emotions in certain scenes and hell he's only emotionless in certain scenes, mostly just general conversation between squadmates, he doesn't sound bad at all, I'd even say he's a good Voice actor. Also remember Mark Meer played alot of roles of sidequest npcs in the Mass Effect and none of them sound anything like Shepard because Shepard has a completely different voice from Mark Meer.

Plus, in ME2 his performance is even better, now he shows emotion in his voice in just general boring conversation, but really you don't have all these emotions in your head when your just talking to someone.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Love the whole locker scene, as I like the idea that Shepard isn't some superhero and needs to be comforted and reinvigorated by Liara. I love how Liara encourages Shepard to carry on, and not to give up.

Liara.

Yes, the locker scene was a small touch but it meant alot.  ME2 romances had nothing remotely comparable to this moment.

The thing with the ME1 romances, they were all scripted the same (you get to know them, locker scene with the almost kiss, love scene which is the same for all) but this script was very good.  In ME2, they created more distinct feeling romances but I don't think any of them stand out or compare to the ME1 'romance script' in quality.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 mars 2010 - 08:08 .

[Marcin K]

Unata wrote...

very well done!! Love you Liara!:wub:
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as for me, i just completed Hammerhead pack and i'm at least disappointed, and after the "prothean artefact" i went straight to Liara's office to talk with her about it and there:no news ....."how's work going Liara"..."cya later Liara"
that just made me deperssed:crying: thaT PIC un-depressed me a little[from  to ]
anyway i go OFFLINE for night in few mins and hope to find some more pics tomorrow to cheer me up. cya all till tomorrow and have a great night

Modifié par Marcin R, 25 mars 2010 - 08:13 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Isn't the love scene with Liara somewhat unique compared to Ash or Kaidan's in that we get to see Liara meld with Shepard, and it's beautiful visualisation through the pink clouds and stars that surround the two of them during the meld?

Yeah, the Liara love scene has a bit more that the others, the  'pink fog' stuff.