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[Unata]

Weeeee, love it when she tosses stuff in the air, (oh I'm a Soldier in this one) She just tossed several varren near Lizbeth up in the air. Turkey shoot!

[HomicidialFrog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Old.

And what do these pics have to do with Liara or Mass Effect? Go to an off topic thread if you want to post those.

Frog, that was indeed a very well written look at Liara's character, and the thought process probably going through her head. Thanks for that!

Thanks, this is actually the first fanfic I've ever done, I've always been interested in doing short stories for the fun of it, not becoming of a professional writer or anything and actually getting stuff published(Way too much work.) but more as a hobby. Something to do to pass the time, I sit around all day thinking when I'm bored and odd ideas for awesome stories come up in my head, but I wouldn't want to publish them or anything, I'm way to lazy for that. Hell, maybe in a few years time I might consider writing a book to publish but I don't know, I have a few cool ideas and I'd expect most of my stories to be about Crime mixed with Sci-Fi. A Crime-Sci FI just seems like an awesome idea to me.

[HomicidialFrog]

bjdbwea wrote...

morrie23 wrote...

Frog, I don't think you'd get any angry comments about post lenght in this thread, especially if it stimulates discussion. I vote that you reinstate it.

I second that. Can't stand these "uh, wall of text" answers you see so often in the ME forums (not so often in the DA forums by the way). No one forces anyone to read anything. If someone writes a long post - on topic - there's no reason to belittle them. Anyone who doesn't like it should just ignore it and move on.

I think it's best for everyone if I posted it at the Fanclub, since every Liara fan can read it there, although I made sure there's alot of gaps between the texts so it wasn't a wall of text and was easier to read.

[Unata]

Dang, Liara is really aggresive in this run, she just cleared out several Geth while I was reading, she even went into another room while I wasn't looking to get them Geth.



Goooo LIARA!

[bjdbwea]

General Stubbs wrote...

Of course, they could have had Shepard have some emotions (she is not a rock goddamn it), but we all know that is because of the comic books.
It is actually a great idea if you think about it, BioWare showed us what real emotions can do to a person and how it can change them (temporarily in Liara's case). Of course, the DLC will be emotional and romantic, but the actual reunion was a good idea with the restrictions BioWare most likely had from EA or their marketing department.

That is the optimistic view.

My take is this: BioWare was always best at telling stories, creating atmosphere and portraying emotions. But now they've been told to steer their games into the mainstream, and the apparent way to achieve that (and quickly) is to cut down on just the things that were their previous strengths. They are of course relying on the old fans still purchasing the games because the name BioWare is written on the cover. It remains to be seen if this model is sustainable.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 26 mars 2010 - 01:27 .

[HomicidialFrog]

Unata wrote...

Dang, Liara is really aggresive in this run, she just cleared out several Geth while I was reading, she even went into another room while I wasn't looking to get them Geth.

Goooo LIARA!

Now all she needs is a coffee cup and then we're going places.

[JPfanner]

Well they've only got 18 pages left in Redemption 4 to finally have anything worthwhile in the series that would affect the game. Assuming they don't blow too many more of those pages on totally senseless 4 page fight scenes, they've still got a lot of things that have to happen.

[HomicidialFrog]

JPfanner wrote...

Well they've only got 18 pages left in Redemption 4 to finally have anything worthwhile in the series that would affect the game. Assuming they don't blow too many more of those pages on totally senseless 4 page fight scenes, they've still got a lot of things that have to happen.

From the looks of preview, they've already done that. It looks like we might get a crappy ending in the comics, but hell as long as everything is cleared up in Liara DLC who gives a crud?

[Himmelstor]

Will start by saying respect your decision to remain with Liara.
Not here to troll.

Here to advertise!
Am writing fanfiction, "Stars Crossed."
Will include Liara T'Soni romancing Shepard.
Think might be interested?
Here is link:
http://social.biowar...1740/blog/3664/

[Himmelstor]

GamerFSS86 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

GamerFSS86 wrote...

*snip*

I don't think it's that they weren't funny, but we see the Tali thread and don't want Liara's thread to turn into the same thing.
The fear kind of escalated there for a while because some of the Talimancers came over here and started quoting the thread to death.
No one is mad or anything, it is just that we usually stick to talking about Liara on her thread.

Chuck's epic, I thought it was funny. The Bear joke was pretty funny as well.

oh my god.....I'm sorry everyone. I didn't know that about the talimancer's. ............really I was just trying to make a laugh for people. I like seeing people happy

Are sorry for. Usually prefer to remain civil with other LI fans.

[Crimmsonwind]

Just stopped by before going to bed to catch up. Fingers crossed for a Liara dream



And it's nice to see some support from the other LI fans. We gotta stick together, after all

[JPfanner]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

JPfanner wrote...
Well they've only got 18 pages left in Redemption 4 to finally have anything worthwhile in the series that would affect the game. Assuming they don't blow too many more of those pages on totally senseless 4 page fight scenes, they've still got a lot of things that have to happen.

I think, if anything, the big reveal will be Liara handing the body over to Cerberus, and we'll see whether TIM manipulates her in any way and whether Liara is working for Cerberus in ME2, and has been ordered by TIM not to fraternize with Shepard.

TIM still wouldn't dictate to Shepard, Tali, and Garrus what to say to Liara in that scenario.  But we've been over all that before multiple times. 
I'm just saying that they urinated away 4 pages in the last issue having Liara senselessly beat on peons and so that really doesn't give me a lot of confidence that the remaining 18 pages are going to satisfy all my annoyance that I've been enduring for the last two months.
But there's no sense speculating on it with the issue coming out soon, so we'll see.  I don't really feel in the mood to get all pessimistic right now.

[Yeled]

I don't know, Stubbs. I understand what you're saying, and see that what you're suggesting is indeed possible. But its still the optimistic view. Its still giving BioWare the benefit of the doubt.



Its quite possible that what you're describing as "reading between the lines" is actually "seeing what we want to see." I'm not saying its not there, but I think we Liara fans disect Liara's reactions and comments and expressions and all of it to a tremendous degree, and fill in the blanks when we don't see rational explanations for a lot of what was provided. We seek to understand what isn't there by providing substance and background and reasons that fit our view and our biases...all of which is perfectly reasonable, but it isn't necessarily what others see or what BioWare intended.



That scene BioWare included was a barebones cameo. Its just a skeleton of a full emotional scene, and we're adding the meat to fill out the rest because they didn't do it for us. We're good at figuring out why things might be a certain way, providing the substance and the rationalizations, because we want things to be that certain way.



I'm still not convinced BioWare gave as much thought to it all as we have done.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

General Stubbs wrote...
Actually it is not the optimistic view, it is what it looks like if you "read between the lines" you could say (which is all BioWare could come up with in their time constraints. But I do agree, the actual core ME2 story was completely sub-par with BioWare's usual work.

But Liara's reunion was not laziness or oversight, there is way too much work put into her emotions for that to be true.
If Liara's reunion was because of laziness, she would have the same look Shepard has on her face throughout the entire reunion. The look of no emotion whatsoever. Now, ask yourself, why would BioWare put all that effort into making Liara into someone who you can tell is suffering if they were not planning something?

If you even look at basic psychology, they way Liara speaks, her facial expressions, and her body language is not because BioWare wanted her to be "dark and edgy", but because she is completely exhausted beyond belief with everything she has had to go through, depressed, and still shows some of the signs of major grieving.

Everyone has a breaking point, Liara reached her's and she doesn't know what to do anymore, all she has been trying to do over the past two years is kill the SB, Shepard has been gone for so long that she doesn't know what happiness is anymore.
(Of course, the SB will still turn out to be a major villain, I am sure of that).
But Liara feels as though she has no purpose at the moment but to kill the SB, she is focusing all of her anger and all of her hurt on the SB because that is who she blames for everything that has happened (some of it actually was his fault).

Now that Shepard is back, it confuses her even more (possibly causing more anger and hurt at the same time, emotions are almost always illogical), we can see the old Liara break through and show us she is still there, but she needs someone to help her. The only one that can help her is Shepard, her love.

Except that in the process of character animation they start with no emotion and you have to add it to the character model.  So it could theoretically be a case of bad animation.

Also I notice that over time you guys are starting to go from "I hope they have a Liara DLC and do X in it" to "I hope that in the Liara DLC they'll do X" or even "They'll fix all that in the Liara DLC."

Not to be a Negative-Nancy, but don't forget to keep your expectations in check.  As much as I want BioWare to fix everything with candy and roses in a DLC for Liara, I'm completely reserving all hopes and judgements until anything actually comes from BioWare.

And now I am off to try and do a one-off Mass Effect comic panel that I thought of last night even though I can't draw characters for squat.

[HomicidialFrog]

Well, I have to get up in the morning it's like, 1:58 over here in the UK and I have to get up at 6:00. Wow, 4 hours sleep, I've had worse though. I spend around 5 hours on that story.