Yeled wrote...
I don't know, Stubbs. I understand what you're saying, and see that what you're suggesting is indeed possible. But its still the optimistic view. Its still giving BioWare the benefit of the doubt.
Its quite possible that what you're describing as "reading between the lines" is actually "seeing what we want to see." I'm not saying its not there, but I think we Liara fans disect Liara's reactions and comments and expressions and all of it to a tremendous degree, and fill in the blanks when we don't see rational explanations for a lot of what was provided. We seek to understand what isn't there by providing substance and background and reasons that fit our view and our biases...all of which is perfectly reasonable, but it isn't necessarily what others see or what BioWare intended.
That scene BioWare included was a barebones cameo. Its just a skeleton of a full emotional scene, and we're adding the meat to fill out the rest because they didn't do it for us. We're good at figuring out why things might be a certain way, providing the substance and the rationalizations, because we want things to be that certain way.
I'm still not convinced BioWare gave as much thought to it all as we have done.
But that is actually why it makes so much sense, we
know BioWare couldn't have put the emotions into the reunion because of the comics, that is just the way the business world works, like it or not.
So why is Redemption based around Liara's love for Shepard if BioWare wasn't thinking in a similar way to us? And why does Liara even have any emotions in the reunion if BioWare was going the cheap route? It would sure as hell be easier to have Liara not care at all and have her act like Shepard does throughout the scene. But BioWare actually put the time and energy into creating her exactly as you would imagine someone who is traumatized.
I don't think we are shooting in the dark too much with these theories, it is the
thought that BioWare actually had to put time and energy into creating these feelings for Liara that makes me believe what I am saying. These are pretty complex feelings for someone to experience, as a writer, it would be impossible to write about them without actual thought put into what you are writing.
Obviously, the reunion was unfinished because of the comics, but I believe the entire reunion like you said was "the skeleton" of what we will see in the Liara DLC.
But BioWare tried to do the best they could with that skeleton, unfortunately, they put to much emphasis on body language, facial movements, and her voice. While that is a great idea, you
need dialogue to go with it to make sense. I don't believe the scene was entirely their fault, they were under certain circumstances and they did the best they could under those circumstances.
I am usually the first one to ignore theory's based on nothing, but the amount of thought that would have to go into Liara's emotions and how she seems to be thinking, means BioWare couldn't have been lazy and it couldn't have been an oversight. They just couldn't do anything because of the comic and they will fix at least most of what we want in the Liara DLC.
Also, if you read about specific emotions, the ones Liara are experiencing are more complex than most. That is why I think more effort went into it. She is not
just sad, she is much more hurt than that.
Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...
Except that in the process of character animation they start with no emotion and you have to add it to the character model. So it could theoretically be a case of bad animation.
Also I notice that over time you guys are starting to go from "I hope they have a Liara DLC and do X in it" to "I hope that in the Liara DLC they'll do X" or even "They'll fix all that in the Liara DLC."
Not to be a Negative-Nancy, but don't forget to keep your expectations in check.
As much as I want BioWare to fix everything with candy and roses in a DLC for Liara, I'm completely reserving all hopes and judgements until anything actually comes from BioWare.
And now I am off to try and do a one-off Mass Effect comic panel that I thought of last night even though I can't draw characters for squat.
I would think you were right if it wasn't for Liara voice. Liara's voice portays the feelings of anger, depression, and exhaustion.
At first, I thought it was BioWare telling Hillis to be "dark and edgy", but after listening to it, you can hear the emotional pain in her voice while she is talking to Shepard.
That cannot be a case of bad animation, you either speak a specific way or you don't. That is also why I think BioWare meant for Liara's animations to be the way they are and they are not a case of bad animation.
I am just trying to be optimistic when I say they will fix it all in the Liara DLC, nothing is ever perfect (except Liara herself, lol) but I do believe they will fix almost everything we want. The story for the DLC wouldn't make sense if they didn't. It is just logic.
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