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[Arcadionn]

Wow, 1 month not browsing the forums and this thread grew so much. Great material in here everyone!

[Noxis6]

Unata wrote...
heh don't let the Drell supporters hear you say that, Honestly though, why wouldn't they have Feron on the payroll? they are as sneaky as Salarians are suppose to be but tougher, Spectres are to open or visual as it were, Feron is/was as told in the comic working for SB or has taken jobs from SB that is, why can't the Council have a Drell in their covert ops section? planted to keep tabs on SB.

Frankly I doubt all Spectres are as popular or well known as Shepard or Saren.
The problem with the Drell is they are more or less a client race of the Hanar and as we know from Thane most choose to serve them out of gratefullness for being saved.
That alone of course doesnt disclose Feron working for the council but if I remember the Codex correctly it is said Drell that dont choose to serve the Hanar end up wandering around adventuring which seems to fit Feron,the other thing is the council is pretty much biased when it comes to employment descisions as you can see Spectres are only chosen from council races.
The other question of course is does the council even has a covert ops section,the spectres seem to cover that pretty much and beyond them I think there is only C-sec and the Citadell fleet when it comes to any form of military or otherwise under direct council control.

[elitextrem3]

Hi guys, I wanted to ask you all a question. The other say there was a thread around asking for a happy ending for all the love interest in both games. I personally want some differences in how things play out and I will like a couple of maybe bitter sweet endings.
 
So how do you guys think the Liara romance storyline will play out? Will it end in a happy note, will Bioware give us a choice or will they pull out some crazy **** and end things in a sad way. I personally want the Liara romance to end in a happy note. Maybe getting married or having kids, maybe she and Sheppard just cuddling together I don’t know. Yet at the same time the Liara romance as well as the Jack and Tali romance could very well end in a sad way. There are a lot of ways that Bioware could handle those romances.
 
Since Liara is my favorite character, a sad ending will completely depressed me. It already happened to me with DA: O. Morrigan was my favorite character and when she left my PC at the end I was stunned and shocked. I probably spent that entire day, just trying to figure out what the hell happened and I must have replayed the scene in the castle like 10 times just trying to get another outcome. It was a horrible day all around.
 
So how do you guys think the romance with the Beautiful Blue Goddess will be handled by Bioware? Will it have a happy ending or will it have sad ending.

[Noxis6]

General Stubbs wrote...
I do agree that the protection can't be perfect, but in this case it has to be, Liara is in constant danger, that is why I wonder how she is being protected.
I think the SB has other plans for her that Shepard needs to stop to save her love (of course Liara won't have any chance of dying though), why was he "Observing" Liara instead of killing her? What does he have to gain is the question.

It is definitely about having the most resourceful army, but what happens when your army is a thousand times bigger and more resourceful than the other one?
The SB has been around for almost forever, he knows every trick in the book and he has been in every situation you can imagine. That type of knowledge comes with the amount of time her has been around for.
He couldn't have kept himself hidden and kept an empire of the magnitude going perfectly if he wasn't ten steps ahead of everyone else.
Just the amount of information he controls is a testament to his massive power and intelligence.

Well if you go with the working for Cerberus theory then choosing not to kill her right away would make sense for the SB given he knows of that connection so listening in on her through the Observer would yield more profit then killing her,same could go with every other organisation,otherwise we all can ask ourselves why he didnt just kill her.

I agree though the SB definitly has more agents and ressources going by the fact that his empire seems to to be running on its own while Cerberus relys on private investors.
That said we can be sure the SB doesnt only have Cerberus to contend with someone with that amount of information in his hands doesnt have a lot of friends and I doubt Liara is the only person that wants to kill him.
This also may be the main reason for hidding his identity if it ever would be made public he wouldnt last very long and as soon as he is dead his empire is as well thats his organisations main weakness I guess remove the head it falls appart.

[Arcadionn]

@elitextrem3



I do hope the choices you make in ME1 up to the end of ME3 escalate into various outcomes on the relationship level... Its going to be hard to code but I would not "accept" a linear conclusion on the romance part... unless it is really, REALLY, well made.



So many possibilities for ME1 LI's and ME2 LI's, I am filled with expectations, especially following the Redemption comics. There should be potential sad/happy endings depending on the main plot and side plot choices.

[Unata]

Noxis6 wrote...

Unata wrote...
heh don't let the Drell supporters hear you say that, Honestly though, why wouldn't they have Feron on the payroll? they are as sneaky as Salarians are suppose to be but tougher, Spectres are to open or visual as it were, Feron is/was as told in the comic working for SB or has taken jobs from SB that is, why can't the Council have a Drell in their covert ops section? planted to keep tabs on SB.

Frankly I doubt all Spectres are as popular or well known as Shepard or Saren.
The problem with the Drell is they are more or less a client race of the Hanar and as we know from Thane most choose to serve them out of gratefullness for being saved.
That alone of course doesnt disclose Feron working for the council but if I remember the Codex correctly it is said Drell that dont choose to serve the Hanar end up wandering around adventuring which seems to fit Feron,the other thing is the council is pretty much biased when it comes to employment descisions as you can see Spectres are only chosen from council races.
The other question of course is does the council even has a covert ops section,the spectres seem to cover that pretty much and beyond them I think there is only C-sec and the Citadell fleet when it comes to any form of military or otherwise under direct council control.

Yes the Council does... (codex)

Special Tasks Groups (STG) are salarian espionage units, usually deployed by the Citadel Council. STG operators work in independent cells, performing dangerous missions such as counterterrorism, infiltration, reconnaissance, assassination, and sabotage. They are currently very active in the Terminus Systems.
The STG form a large part of the salarian military due to their heavy focus on gathering intelligence before making a move. They are used to monitor 'developing situations' because they tend to attract less attention than more prominent figures, such as Spectres. This also allows them to quietly 'handle' troublesome individuals. STG operators are brutally practical, devoted to accomplishing their mission regardless of the cost involved--to others or themselves.

Now the Drell are specialized Assassins, Why can't one or more work for the Council?

[Noxis6]

Unata wrote...
Yes the Council does... (codex)

Special Tasks Groups (STG) are salarian espionage units, usually deployed by the Citadel Council. STG operators work in independent cells, performing dangerous missions such as counterterrorism, infiltration, reconnaissance, assassination, and sabotage. They are currently very active in the Terminus Systems.
The STG form a large part of the salarian military due to their heavy focus on gathering intelligence before making a move. They are used to monitor 'developing situations' because they tend to attract less attention than more prominent figures, such as Spectres. This also allows them to quietly 'handle' troublesome individuals. STG operators are brutally practical, devoted to accomplishing their mission regardless of the cost involved--to others or themselves.

Now the Drell are specialized Assassins, Why can't one or more work for the Council?

hm ok seems I was wrong there but STGs seem to be exclusively Salarian though.
The problem with a drell is as I said the council is biased basicly everything in their employ is made up of council species and as stated before they are a client race of the Hanar and want to serve them.
And I'm not so sure that drell are really specialized assasins the Hanar seem to use them for pretty much everything on there colonies from police services to heavy labour.

[Unata]

Noxis6 wrote...

Unata wrote...
Yes the Council does... (codex)

Special Tasks Groups (STG) are salarian espionage units, usually deployed by the Citadel Council. STG operators work in independent cells, performing dangerous missions such as counterterrorism, infiltration, reconnaissance, assassination, and sabotage. They are currently very active in the Terminus Systems.
The STG form a large part of the salarian military due to their heavy focus on gathering intelligence before making a move. They are used to monitor 'developing situations' because they tend to attract less attention than more prominent figures, such as Spectres. This also allows them to quietly 'handle' troublesome individuals. STG operators are brutally practical, devoted to accomplishing their mission regardless of the cost involved--to others or themselves.

Now the Drell are specialized Assassins, Why can't one or more work for the Council?

hm ok seems I was wrong there but STGs seem to be exclusively Salarian though.
The problem with a drell is as I said the council is biased basicly everything in their employ is made up of council species and as stated before they are a client race of the Hanar and want to serve them.
And I'm not so sure that drell are really specialized assasins the Hanar seem to use them for pretty much everything on there colonies from police services to heavy labour.

True in that the Hanar have the Drell do those things they themselves find hard to do, but they also have other skills that the council can utilize as well, ie: eidetic memory.

There is presidence for a Drell to be tossed into this SB mix, Thane Krios's wife's death can be tied to the SB (gave the mercs the info) Hell for all we know Feron could be Thane's brother or brother-in-law.

I'ts just this lameness they portray the Council as, sticks in my craw,  nearly 3000 years of galatic peace and now they show up as brain dead morons, there is more there then what BW has shown them to be I would hope.

I have more faith in the Asari...

Modifié par Unata, 26 mars 2010 - 03:34 .

[Noxis6]

General Stubbs wrote...
Yeah, it could be because of the Cerberus theory, but the SB knows that TIM would never give up his location to Liara anyway, so why not just kill her and find an easier way?
The SB must know that Liara could possibly be that variable that could lead to his downfall, especially because she is Shepard's love. (If Shepard ever knew where the SB was, he should realize she would do everything in her power to kill him or bring him to justice for what he has done, and she is the woman who saved the enitre galaxy from extinction). Why not get rid of that variable and make the equation simpler?
But I guess the SB knows more than we do and if Cerberus or another organization is protecting Liara, what the SB is doing is in his own best interests.
His own best interests will most likely lead to his downfall, like most criminals. Instead of playing it safe and killing Liara (I hate saying those words together), he will try and profit from the situation he is in.

I am sure you are right about there being multiple organizations trying to take down the SB, I have would have a hard time believing the SB would be afraid of just one organization.
That is definitely the main reason he is so obsessed about hiding his identity, he is in control of the biggest criminal organization in the galaxy. For one thing, everyone in his organization would probably stab him in the back if they did know who he was.
The SB keeps his organization going through his almost impossibly massive intelligence, fear, and manipulation.
If he was ever to die, the entire organization would implode on itself without a strong, ruthless leader.

Well there is more to know about Cerberus and going by ME1 the SB seems to have quite some interest in learning what they are up to and enough clients that have interest in such information,his main driving force is profit afterall also I think he doesnt see Liara herself as much of a threat,I guess one of the Observers tasks was to take care of her once she should get to close.

Would be a perfect ending for the SB storyline with him dying,with the prime predator dead the smaller ones would fight over the prey would be a more fitting end then someone taking over

[Unata]

yorkj86 wrote...

My Shepard would buy a house for Liara somewhere peaceful and secluded on Thessia. They would have many, many children. He would never pick a weapon up again.

Good End.

I'd want Shepard and Liara to explore the galaxy together and while they are between stops explore eachother

[Noxis6]

Unata wrote...
True in that the Hanar have the Drell do those things they themselves find hard to do, but they also have other skills that the council can utilize as well, ie: eidetic memory.

There is presidence for a Drell to be tossed into this SB mix, Thane Krios's wife's death can be tied to the SB (gave the mercs the info) Hell for all we know Feron could be Thane's brother or brother-in-law.

I'ts just this lameness they portray the Council as, sticks in my craw,  nearly 3000 years of galatic peace and now they show up as brain dead morons, there is more there then what BW has shown them to be I would hope.

I have more faith in the Asari...

Still doesnt change the council is biased,if you remember ME1 getting humans into C-sec was quite an political act and keeping them in there in Harkins case,too.
Drell dont have that,they have no standing on the politcal stage of the galaxy and Hanar dont seem  that "pushy" that they would promote the use of drell in C-sec or similar organisations,of course as of ME2 some things might have changed.

I wouldnt go that far to connect Feron and Thane and I dont know what to make out of the SB selling out Thanes family Thane doesnt seem to want to kill him at least he doesnt talk about it and from the SBs perspective it was just credits.

Granted the galaxy wasnt that peacefull considering the Rachni wars and Krogan rebellions.
But if there is more to the council then Bioware should have told the player and Shepard for that matter,I could accept something like them keeping things under rugs to prevent a mass panic and preparing in secret,but if that was the case the player needs to know.

[Unata]

Noxis6 wrote...

Unata wrote...
True in that the Hanar have the Drell do those things they themselves find hard to do, but they also have other skills that the council can utilize as well, ie: eidetic memory.

There is presidence for a Drell to be tossed into this SB mix, Thane Krios's wife's death can be tied to the SB (gave the mercs the info) Hell for all we know Feron could be Thane's brother or brother-in-law.

I'ts just this lameness they portray the Council as, sticks in my craw,  nearly 3000 years of galatic peace and now they show up as brain dead morons, there is more there then what BW has shown them to be I would hope.

I have more faith in the Asari...

Still doesnt change the council is biased,if you remember ME1 getting humans into C-sec was quite an political act and keeping them in there in Harkins case,too.
Drell dont have that,they have no standing on the politcal stage of the galaxy and Hanar dont seem  that "pushy" that they would promote the use of drell in C-sec or similar organisations,of course as of ME2 some things might have changed.

I wouldnt go that far to connect Feron and Thane and I dont know what to make out of the SB selling out Thanes family Thane doesnt seem to want to kill him at least he doesnt talk about it and from the SBs perspective it was just credits.

Granted the galaxy wasnt that peacefull considering the Rachni wars and Krogan rebellions.
But if there is more to the council then Bioware should have told the player and Shepard for that matter,I could accept something like them keeping things under rugs to prevent a mass panic and preparing in secret,but if that was the case the player needs to know.

Thane says he gave Kolyat to his aunts/Uncles so we know he has relatives, so many theories, makes my head hurt.

There is ALOT that Bioware hasn't told the player, look at what they are doing with all these LI's for one, that alone is a can of worms Bioware may not survive through , Sometimes I think Bioware has so much crap under their collective hats their brains are being pushed out.

Anyway, gota make like little red riding hood and take Granny a basket of goodies, see yas after awhile!

[screwoffreg]

Could Feron be a Council SPECTRE? That would seem ridiculous considering the Council doesn't seem to know or care about Shepard's death situation.



I am still betting on Cerberus, which would hardly be a shocking surprise. Having a spy to watch Liara would make sense.



I think we have all explored every possible hypothesis about what could be happening with the "SHOCK SURPRISE" so unless it is something out of left field like Liara is really Shiala in disguise it hopefully won't be too earthshattering.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 mars 2010 - 04:42 .