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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:35

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GamerFSS86 wrote...


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here it is.........LesEnfantsTerribles posted this earlier

That one picture portrays a lot of the emotions I was talking about earlier.
It seems almost impossible for it to be a coincidence when her voice portrays the emotion pain she is going through and her body language and facial expressions do the exact same thing.
I am still of the opinion that this was BioWare's way trying to have an emotional reunion without being able to because of the comics.
It is actually a very well done reunion (under the circumstances of the ME2 story, I still would have love for the story to continue right after ME1) except for Shepard, which seems to be another indicator to BioWare being under certain circumstances where they were not able to give us what we want.
Why would they put all this work into Liara but not Shepard otherwise?

Don't worry Beautiful Blue Goddess, Shepard will be there to comfort and help with you with your negative emotions soon in DLC! <3

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:36

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I did the Texmod thing, but it doesn't really help much because the base facial textures seem to be recolored a lot on the fly or something.

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The first one seems to be a general asari face texture, both the asari sitting outside Liara's office and the matriarch bartender shared it. The middle one is Liara. The third one is Samara.

So that really doesn't seem to help any.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:37

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Wow, face textures look very odd when stretched out on a flat fashion.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:42

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Those are cropped too, I cut out the scalp folds, back of the head, and the teeth. Just left the face.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:42

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Downright scary IMO!



Like Stubbs said, you can see BW's intention with Liara's role in ME2, how much she's suffering and how she's emotionally tormented. It's written so that at one point we'll be able to ease her pain, and help her become happy again.



I think it'll be extra special if Liara is your LI, and we'll probably get special lines of dialogue and a scene. Can't wait until Liara opens her heart to Shepard, and the romance can be rekindled properly.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:54

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OK. I guess it's time to get back out into the rain and mud and finish my damn brake shoes on my truck...nice talkin with you all.....bye

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 07:57

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Now this is an interesting piece, the ME1 cast transferred into a Western setting and made all human. Take a look, it features a cute Liara:



http://north-green.d...Seven-158500195



Liara stilll looks pretty much the same, heh heh. I do like the outfit she's wearing there. Hard to imagine her in a Western setting!

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:00

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Why does Shepard just sit there, why is the "paragon" option missing, why put all this work into Liara, but leave Shepard so blank and empty. The question is what is really going on.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:05

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Now this is an interesting piece, the ME1 cast transferred into a Western setting and made all human. Take a look, it features a cute Liara:

http://north-green.d...Seven-158500195

Liara stilll looks pretty much the same, heh heh. I do like the outfit she's wearing there. Hard to imagine her in a Western setting!


Yeah, she'd get a lot of dust in her... never mind.

Fantastic drawing, that.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:11

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scmadsen wrote...

Why does Shepard just sit there, why is the "paragon" option missing, why put all this work into Liara, but leave Shepard so blank and empty. The question is what is really going on.

Probably because of the comic and ideas from their marketing department.
With all the work they put into Liara, they couldn't have forgotten about her, but Shep doesn't have her Paragon option.
The only answer that seems to be there is it was because of the comics, as with all the work they put into Liara, it would have been impossible to forget about Shepard's emotions.

I'm am sure it will all be fixed in Liara's DLC.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:12

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General Stubbs wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

Why does Shepard just sit there, why is the "paragon" option missing, why put all this work into Liara, but leave Shepard so blank and empty. The question is what is really going on.

Probably because of the comic and ideas from their marketing department.
With all the work they put into Liara, they couldn't have forgotten about her, but Shep doesn't have her Paragon option.
The only answer that seems to be there is it was because of the comics, as with all the work they put into Liara, it would have been impossible to forget about Shepard's emotions.

I'm am sure it will all be fixed in Liara's DLC.


Yeah, there was the whole hug Tali paragon interrupt. I want a hug Liara paragon interrupt. :crying:

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:12

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scmadsen wrote...

Why does Shepard just sit there, why is the "paragon" option missing, why put all this work into Liara, but leave Shepard so blank and empty. The question is what is really going on.


Like myself and Stubbs have been saying, it's probably so that they could continue Liara's character arc of her suffering with her emotional torment, and they're saving the proper comforting and consoling of Liara for the DLC. Hence, they limit what Shepard can say to her in terms of being comforting or calming her down. If Redemption were released prior to ME2, they would have included Liara's full role in the game and allowed Shepard to ease her emotional pain and suffering. As it stands, though, they don't want to spoil the comic.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Stubbs!

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:16

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JPfanner wrote...

I did the Texmod thing, but it doesn't really help much because the base facial textures seem to be recolored a lot on the fly or something.
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The first one seems to be a general asari face texture, both the asari sitting outside Liara's office and the matriarch bartender shared it. The middle one is Liara. The third one is Samara.
So that really doesn't seem to help any.


I doubt that they are recolored on the fly....what you are seeing is more then likely, a product of the lighting, and materials.  The specular/normal and any other map included in the material for her has a big impact on the realtime render of the mesh.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:17

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But why leave out one simple line? It would make the Liara faithful happy, and make the scene less...terrible. I mean really...they make Liara pull away from the kiss and shake her head, they imply she cheated on Shepard, they make her seem all dark and changed, unless you sit and think about the scene and pull it apart bit by bit, they make Shepard unable to comfort her or really talk about it all, the two can't confirm their love for each other, all to sell some comics, and make us basically demand a DLC so when it comes, we will pretty pay anything they ask?

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:22

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scmadsen wrote...

But why leave out one simple line? It would make the Liara faithful happy, and make the scene less...terrible. I mean really...they make Liara pull away from the kiss and shake her head, they imply she cheated on Shepard, they make her seem all dark and changed, unless you sit and think about the scene and pull it apart bit by bit, they make Shepard unable to comfort her or really talk about it all, the two can't confirm their love for each other, all to sell some comics, and make us basically demand a DLC so when it comes, we will pretty pay anything they ask?

Well, that's how marketing works, they want to get as much money as possible and create as much interest as possible in the product.
Because it is financial logic does not always mean it is actual logic, it makes no sense to us why Shep couldn't say, "I love you"  but to them, it means more money because now we are even more interested in Liara's situation.

I am sure the DLC will be substantial, emotional, and romantic, but this is how companies do things.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:23

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There is no implication that Liara has cheated. She initially appears aloof and distant because, as we find out later, she's afraid Shepard will hate her and has been tormented by the guilt for handing Shepard's corpse over to Cerberus. The way the scene is written and she refers to her firneds is [b]supposed[/b[ to make you feel jealous, until Liara breaks down and then tells you what is really going on.



I know it's frustrating, and her scene does seem hacked to bits, but they at least do provide some kind of comfort and explanation for the Liara lovers, and allay a few fears without spoiling Redemption too much.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:29

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I know that's how it works these days, but still. I didn't figure BioWare and EA would be that evil.

Well, the little pause, when she says, "my friend" that's there for a reason. On its own, it's not so bad, but taken with the rest, it does imply to me, that she did. I have faith that Liara wouldn't cheat, that's just not her, and she's totally loyal to Shepard, I worried the writers would do that, just to cause the drama they wanted for their "Dark Second Act" thing.

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scmadsen wrote...

I know that's how it works these days, but still. I didn't figure BioWare and EA would be that evil.

Well, the little pause, when she says, "my friend" that's there for a reason. On its own, it's not so bad, but taken with the rest, it does imply to me, that she did. I have faith that Liara wouldn't cheat, that's just not her, and she's totally loyal to Shepard, I worried the writers would do that, just to cause the drama they wanted for their "Dark Second Act" thing.

It is most likely EA which are the evil ones, they control the promotional aspects of ME and the entire budget for BioWare, so what they say goes.

I was concerned about that at the beginning as well, the first thing I said to myself after I heard her say it was, "DAMN YOU BIOWARE!!!!!"
But after think about the scene in detail, I now know it was part of her emotional torment, Liara has to live with the fact that someone possibly sacrificed their life for her, that is a hard thing to handle (especially for someone with a beautiful personality like Liara).

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scmadsen wrote...

I know that's how it works these days, but still. I didn't figure BioWare and EA would be that evil.

Well, the little pause, when she says, "my friend" that's there for a reason. On its own, it's not so bad, but taken with the rest, it does imply to me, that she did. I have faith that Liara wouldn't cheat, that's just not her, and she's totally loyal to Shepard, I worried the writers would do that, just to cause the drama they wanted for their "Dark Second Act" thing.


Just watched the reunion scene with Liara in it's entirety on YouTube. There wasn't any pause when she first mentioned her friend. If what you mean is when she says this line:

"For what he did to my friend, and to you, and for whatever he's doing with the Collectors"

Then she pauses after every single comma. I think that's probably due to the fact she's still pretty choked up. Remember, Liara came close to bursting into tears when she tells you about rescuing Shepard, and giving the body to Cerberus. Listen to how close she is to crying when she says "I told myself I was doing it for you, for a chance to bring you back". Liara's pauses are probably her catching her breath, and stopping herself from crying.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:43

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I hope I'm not the only one who's hesitant to use the word "cheat" with regards to Liara, if she did find comfort with Feron. I understand her dedication to Shepard, but he was dead. I'm not saying she did, but people who use the word are assuming a LOT.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:47

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Liara is just a very sweet person. I think she would take it hard, that someone made that sacrifice for her. It doesn't mean she cares about him, but more that she just feels guilty. Her passion for Shepard, got someone else most likely killed. If she wasn't such a wonderful person, she wouldn't care. Also, Liara wanted to stay on the Normandy with Shepard, but we are forced to tell her to leave. You have to think, while it is endlessly sad for Liara to lose Shepard, she admires that Shepard would risk it all to save Joker. It has got to be one of the things she loves about Shepard.

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yorkj86 wrote...

I hope I'm not the only one who's hesitant to use the word "cheat" with regards to Liara, if she did find comfort with Feron. I understand her dedication to Shepard, but he is still dead. I'm not saying she did, but people who use the word are assuming a LOT.


Liara knew that Cerberus were bringing Shepard back, though. She even says it herself. I could understand that argument with Ashley or Kaidan, because they were none the wiser and have spent the last two years believeing Shepard was dead. But Liara knows that Cerberus are trying to revive Shepard. Big difference.

The whole cheating thing is a non-issue now as far as I'm concerned anyway. The comics seem to be making it clear that Liara appreciates Feron's sacrifice for her and Shepard, not Feron himself. She probably sees it as her duty to at least find out his fate.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:52

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Just watched the reunion scene with Liara in it's entirety on YouTube. There wasn't any pause when she first mentioned her friend. If what you mean is when she says this line:

"For what he did to my friend, and to you, and for whatever he's doing with the Collectors"

Then she pauses after every single comma. I think that's probably due to the fact she's still pretty choked up. Remember, Liara came close to bursting into tears when she tells you about rescuing Shepard, and giving the body to Cerberus. Listen to how close she is to crying when she says "I told myself I was doing it for you, for a chance to bring you back". Liara's pauses are probably her catching her breath, and stopping herself from crying.


Well, perhaps it was just the emotional torment that scene invoked, that made me read more into it, and be worried and looking for something, anything, to explain it. I'm talking about the very first time I played that scene. I only had that thought rush thru my mind at that moment. And really, it was more a lack of faith in the writers, then in the character of Liara.

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:52

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Damn, I guess Liara is seriously pissed, check this out, 4 pages from redemption 4



http://www.comicbook...preview&id=4701



GOOoooo Liara!

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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 08:54

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Unata wrote...

Damn, I guess Liara is seriously pissed, check this out, 4 pages from redemption 4

http://www.comicbook...preview&id=4701

GOOoooo Liara!


Seriously hot. Especially Liara's solid white eyes when she's kicking all kinds of arse. :wub:

Can't wait until the fourth issue is out! I want more Liara dammit!!
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