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[morrie23]

justinnstuff wrote...

I haven't looked up info on a GDC in a long time. Do they do any revealing of stuff like they do at E3?

Sometimes companies announce games at GDC, I believe Sony announced a new Racket and Clank game last year.

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

Still, one can always hope. I will of course make use of my only other tool - voting with the wallet - if necessary.

I hope it doesn't have to come to that, but I will be doing the same.

[Marcin K]

Littledoom wrote...

Don't know if I dare to make a post, the possibility of Marcin R flogging me to death is to great

Anyway... <3Liara<3

am I interrupting/disturbing you in any/some way? BTW. good choice of pic:)

Modifié par Marcin R, 24 février 2010 - 05:13 .

[morrie23]

jlb524 wrote...

OK, thx morrie. That's only in 2 weeks, right?

So do you think 'revealing DLC' means showing stuff that's already finished and about to be released, or are they going to simply introduce DLC that they are planning on releasing in the future? If it's the former then I would say it probably won't be Liara related, if it's the latter then it could be related to her.

Hard to say, there are 3 possible pieces of DLC at the moment, the hammerhead, Kasumi, and Liara. There is a rumour that the hammerhead will be announced by the end of February, again no hard evidence but there is a thread discussing it in the non-spoiler forum. That leaves Kasumi and Liara, GDC is usually used to showcase new products or new ways of doing things. As Kasumi is like Zaeed in some ways I don't think they'll use GDC is show her. If the Liara DLC is showing BWs new approach to DLC in some way, then it's possible that's what they'll show. Again this is all just rumour and some wild speculation on my part.

Modifié par morrie23, 24 février 2010 - 05:17 .

[Raanz]

vigna wrote...

Ummm, she's being spied on so she wouldn't send an email. Part of her aloofness was the fact that she had enemies everywhere. her distance was probably in order to protect Shepard.

This.^

I really believe that the whole Liara/Shep LI encounter on Illium was masterfully staged by BW.  It seems tacked on and shallow on the surface, but if you listen to the conversation she basically says that Illium doesn't work that way.  She is an information broker....lot's of enemies, plus the SB probably has his agents constantly watching her.  We have very little information on how she stole Shepard's body from him to give to Cerberus, how much in debt she had to go to complete her mission.  If you look at it from a "technical" standpoint, the only difference in the encounter in her office, for a LI Shep and a regular Shep is the kiss.  I agree with vigna, she is trying to protect her past relationship with Shep because of her position.
Look at the Ashley encounter: it plays out much the same way except she sends a message to Shep later apologizing for her rudeness.  Not a lot of heartfelt joy or relief in seeing her boyfriend alive after 2 years, but more anger as she realizes he is working for Cerberus.
BW had to write these rekindlings in this way to avoid old squadmates from becoming ME2 squadmates.  They threw Tali at you (as a male Shep..can't comment on the femSheps) to temp you from your ME1 interest.  It's all well planned to set up a huge decision in ME3.  I really believe it's not a willy-nilly type of thing.  Even if you didn't choose a romance at all, you know this:
1. You have a dedicated crew from ME1 (they "loved" you (I believe Ash even tells you this on Horizon).
2. Liara is so dedicated to you (regardless of LI) that she risked her life, her financial stability and part of her future to get you back (as either her Commander or her first love)
3. You have a dedicated crew from SR2...Miranda proves that by resigning from Cerberus at the last minute (regardless of LI).  I'm not sure if she does if you decide to hand over the Collector ship to TiM, I haven't played it that way, but even if she doesn't, it's because you have chosen to cooperate with Cerberus, so she is with you.
4. Garrus and Tali are willing to work with you even though they despise Cerberus..they are dedicated to Shep (regardless of LI).

I say give BW a chance, I don't think you will be dissappointed in the end.  Liara will come around, in her own sweet time.

jeeesh....sorry for the wall of text.

Modifié par Raanz, 24 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[Marcin K]

morrie23 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

OK, thx morrie. That's only in 2 weeks, right?

So do you think 'revealing DLC' means showing stuff that's already finished and about to be released, or are they going to simply introduce DLC that they are planning on releasing in the future? If it's the former then I would say it probably won't be Liara related, if it's the latter then it could be related to her.

Hard to say, there are 3 possible pieces of DLC at the moment, the hammerhead, Kasumi, and Liara. There is a rumour that the hammerhead will be announced by the end of February, again no hard evidence but there is a thread discussing it in the non-spoiler forum. That leaves Kasumi and Liara, GDC is usually used to showcase new products or new ways of doing things. As Kasumi is like Zaeed in some ways I don't think they'll use GDC is show her. If the Liara DLC is showing BWs new approach to DLC in some way, then it's possible that's what they'll show. Again this is all just rumour and some wild speculation on my part.

but this time a good one=]

[jlb524]

morrie23 wrote...

Hard to say, there are 3 possible pieces of DLC at the moment, the hammerhead, Kasumi, and Liara. There is a rumour that the hammerhead will be announced by the end of February, again no hard evidence but there is a thread discussing it in the non-spoiler forum. That leaves Kasumi and Liara, GDC is usually used to showcase new products or new ways of doing things. As Kasumi is like Zaeed in some ways I don't think they'll use GDC is show her. If the Liara DLC is showing BWs new approach to DLC in some way, then it's possible that's what they'll show. Again this is all just rumour and some wild speculation on my part.

I also doubt it will be the Kasumi DLC (what is there to show, really?  She's just going to be an extra body like Zaeed.).  They would introduce her the same way they did Zaeed (with a video in the 'Universe' section on the main ME2 site.

It could also be something new that no one's ever heard of.  But if it's Liara related, I think they will show a brief trailer, but I doubt they will show much of actual dlc as it may not be finished yet or to avoid spoilers.  I guess it would be similar to the first ME2 teaser trailer, the one where they showed that Shepard was K.I.A.

Modifié par jlb524, 24 février 2010 - 05:27 .

[Deamon023]

Littledoom wrote...

Don't know if I dare to make a post, the possibility of Marcin R flogging me to death is to great

Anyway... <3Liara<3

[screwoffreg]

jlb524 wrote...

OK, thx morrie. That's only in 2 weeks, right?

So do you think 'revealing DLC' means showing stuff that's already finished and about to be released, or are they going to simply introduce DLC that they are planning on releasing in the future? If it's the former then I would say it probably won't be Liara related, if it's the latter then it could be related to her.

It probably means in future.  Hammerhead seems to be destined to come out "soon", so I imagine if they announce something at GDC it will probably be more substantial than "cool new pistol!!!".  I would guess IF they are announcing anything it make be more along the lines of Awakening.

Awakening will be the big test to see how Bioware handles larger DLC.  ME 1 DLC is anemic, at best, so if the Dragon Age team can pull it off well, then we have hope for the ME team!

[Marcin K]

Littledoom wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

am I interrupting/disturbing you in any/some way? BTW. good choice of pic:)

Not at all it's just that I have a pessimistic point of view and you trying to get everyone to think positively. I tried to be funny but failed I guess you can say. Yes it's a nice pic, I see it like Liara looking out the window waiting for Shepard to arrive.

o no i do not try to make everyone super-hiber-over-optimistic, i just try to keep [minimalist option] neutral [optimist choice] good atmosphere so we all would not fall into self-looping nostalgy-gark-seeing-doom-predicitng-etc., , and my attitude comes form what i've seen on other fan-threads and usr seems to be the darkest and saddest so, that's why i make so optimism-rising efforts {i just don't want our group to be the worst, let the Tali ones be worst} so that's why my optimism-force seems to come form... 
___
and i STRONGLY encourage to be private optimist rather than pesimist as it really helps in life....

Modifié par Marcin R, 24 février 2010 - 05:38 .

[vigna]

I'm sure ME2 will have something Bring Down The Sky size or larger. We'll have to wait and see if it deals with the Shadow broker or not. To me it would make sense as it could bridge the 2 games without messing with the ME3 plot. Getting the Liara/ Kaidan/Ash stuff done before ME3 would be grand--plus Liara/SB content would be an action win and a plot win. It would be a natural to play after the Collector mission as well. As Liara can't die it is something everyone could play as well--even if she is just a squad mate and not an LI..

[screwoffreg]

At GDC shocking news is announced...

Liara didn't have an affair with Feron...but with TALI!!!
That is why they don't communicate with each other because its awkward.

That would be a hilarious conclusion to Redemption, you must admit.  You troll both Liara and Talimancers.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 24 février 2010 - 05:38 .

[jlb524]

screwoffreg wrote...

Awakening will be the big test to see how Bioware handles larger DLC.  ME 1 DLC is anemic, at best, so if the Dragon Age team can pull it off well, then we have hope for the ME team!

Awakening is technically and 'expansion' correct?  I wouldn't expect the Liara DLC to be the same scale as 'Awakening', but I do hope it's larger and more involved than the ME1 DLC.  Though, I also heard that ME2 might have an 'expansion', so maybe this could be the Liara 'DLC'? 

'Expansion', 'dlc', it's all semantics anyway.  As long as it's better than the ME1 extras we got, I'll be happy no matter what they call it

[Marcin K]

Littledoom wrote...

vigna wrote...

I'm sure ME2 will have something Bring Down The Sky size or larger. We'll have to wait and see if it deals with the Shadow broker or not. To me it would make sense as it could bridge the 2 games without messing with the ME3 plot. Getting the Liara/ Kaidan/Ash stuff done before ME3 would be grand--plus Liara/SB content would be an action win and a plot win. It would be a natural to play after the Collector mission as well. As Liara can't die it is something everyone could play as well--even if she is just a squad mate and not an LI..

Agree and it would make for good DLC/expansion material in my opinion. That it would be set after the main story is done would make sense to me. You hook up with your LI and old teammate, have the chance to explain everything and get the romance back on it's feet.

second. that should be implemented into core game itself in my opinion...

[Pineappletree]

Raanz wrote...

[...]

I say give BW a chance, I don't think you will be dissappointed in the end.  Liara will come around, in her own sweet time.

jeeesh....sorry for the wall of text.

Exactely my thoughts, Raanz!

That's why I don't feel bad about this "Liara Situation" at all.

And a bit of Liara smile to (hopefully) lighten the mood:

[speedy111280]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Wow... well I'll give you my two opinions.

First one is that Bioware screws it up as they did the LIs from KOTOR and they leave it hanging with no real closure and no reasons as to why Liara is acting the way she is. Liara and Shepard don't get back together (which would really s**k!) and she is still a member of the squad in ME3 but does not acknowledge that they ever shared anything.

Second one is that Bioware releases a DLC, or better yet and Expansion Pack, that delves into why Liara is acting as she is, Shepard returns from whipping the Collectors, walks right up to her and demands to know what is happening. She finally breaks down and tells him everything, they admit their feelings for each other, Shepard then brings her onto the Normandy and together with the rest of his crew they put a hurting on one Shadow Broker. At the end, we see Liara and Shepard happily together back on the Normandy with a lead up into ME3.

I am still very upset with how the whole Liara situation was handled, we should not have to buy comics that aren't that good to begin with to fill in gaps to their story. I've ordered the comics but from what I'm hearing she doesn't really act as if Shepard is her lover in the comics. They had several months leading up to the Geth attack with Saren, and then at least a month together where they were discovering each other even more, at least that is what new lovers do. I still do not believe she would go through all she did to get his body back and then forget about him in two years knowing that Cerberus is going to bring him back. That doesn't wash. She had to have known or had some idea about what they were planning or she wouold have told cerberus to screw.

"I couldn't let you go"

This is not the statement you would hear from someone who was not in love with you.

I can't say it enough. Bioware really screwed the pooch in their handling of Liara, as well as all the ME1 LIs. Liara more so since at least you got an email from Ash or Kaiden from what I understand. If they do not fix this with a DLC or Expansion then I very well may not buy ME3. I know... sounds stupid... but they started this great story and they are beginning to go the way of KOTOR in dealing with it IMHO.

I have to point out that Bioware has absolutely no control over KOTOR. Anything Star Wars goes through Lucasfilm/Lucasarts and George Lucas. Bioware ultimately had to make the game Lucasarts wanted and they were never given the opportunity to work with it again. KOTOR 2 was handled by Obsidian and KOTOR 3 will likely never be made at this point, and that's all down to Lucasarts/Lucasfilm. You don't get to make the decisions when you work in George's universe, he does. Yes they were able to write the story but Lucas can veto anything he wants, and I'm sure he did a few times because he's done it tons of times in other formats of the SW universe. 

So I wouldn't advise using KOTOR as a guide to how Bioware will handle Liara and the other LI's going forward. I'd look to their other games. I'm willing to give them the opportunity to let it play out because I think they've made Liara too important to the story for them to completely ignore the romance going forward.