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[JPfanner]

Yeah, that threesome thing is annoying. Sex is never brought up, just a continuation of the relationship. Liara is agreeable to a casual non-exclusive relationship with Shepard. Ashley and Kaiden are not and that is the end of it. Liara is willing to share her time with Shepard, no one ever says about anyting about sex, let alone all three people piling into bed together. All that threesome crap is projection by the player.

There aren't even any multiple partner asari relationships in the game, and honestly it wouldn't make any sense for asari to even get much out of one because the big "payoff" for them is melding which doesn't even have to involve any physical acts with their partner. Let alone tossing in a third person who would be left out of the meld.

EDIT: Technically, Shepard can use the "Maybe the three of us..." line at the end, but Liara doesn't say anything because Ashley/Kaiden are already responding negatively to a concurrent relationship let alone anything involving the three of them together and that implication just cuts off the whole conversation from their standpoint.

Modifié par JPfanner, 27 mars 2010 - 06:58 .

[AndroLeonidas]

JPfanner wrote...

Yeah, that threesome thing is annoying. Sex is never brought up, just a continuation of the relationship. Liara is agreeable to a casual non-exclusive relationship with Shepard. Ashley and Kaiden are not and that is the end of it. Liara is willing to share her time with Shepard, no one ever says about anyting about sex, let alone all three people piling into bed together. All that threesome crap is projection by the player.
There aren't even any multiple partner asari relationships in the game, and honestly it wouldn't make any sense for asari to even get much out of one because the big "payoff" for them is melding which doesn't even have to involve any physical acts with their partner. Let alone tossing in a third person who would be left out of the meld.

Ok... I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Hear me out before everyone starts jumping on it.

Given the natural Asari openness and sexuality I do not believe a multiply pairing in a relationship is impossible. Yes... in game it is a projection of the player and I have never personally taken that dialogue. I choose Liara outright... however... let me float something.

I don't know how many of the Liara lovers (like myself) actually romanced Miranda. I did it to gain the achievement mind you but I still did it. That being said... in my opinion... and from what I have heard about the other love interests in ME2, she is the only one that just about flat out says she loves you. Her backstory is very emotional if you look past the obvious physical likes and dislikes of her. Her ass... her 'man face', her buck teeth... jeez I think I've heard them all lol! Anyway... I do not think it is a natural evolution of a character to devote as much time to Shepard as she did in nearly two years and not develop strong feelings for him. In essence... she does the exact same thing as Liara... just in a different manner.

So... Liara risks all to save him... Miranda devotes all to bring him back. I do not think it is impossible for these two women to come to terms with the fact they both love him. I also do not think it is completely impossible that they would not develop a mutual attraction to each other because of this almost one sided devotion to Shepard. In my current four Book series A Spartan's War... I have quite a few relationships that are made up of more than two partners or are developing into a relationship that will be like this. All of these relationships have been going on since the first Book and it has spanned nearly thirty years so far in the story from 1-4. Hell... the werewolf King and his first born son both have five wives who are as equally devoted to each other as they are him in every way. Both physcially and emotionally. It is not impossible... it just takes a certain type of person in my opinion.

If you stand back and look at Liara and then Miranda... you have two equally strong women of conviction and values. I could see them putting aside what they have believed up to this point in their lives and coming to trust one another greatly in the right circumstances and actually beginning to have feelings for each other as well as Shepard. That is actually the direction I was going to take with my fanfiction story as a matter of fact. Shepard is going to be the one who has the most problem with it.

So... I don't think it is impossible... just very improbable given Bioware's history. And to back up what Les and someone else says... I too watched the vid of the confrontation with Liara and Ashley. His comment in regards to having both goes right over her head and she in no way acknowledges an openness to it. Whether she is aganst it or not is a topic for another time. Personally... given how her character developed and grew I would say no. At least not initially.

Ok... have at me folks. Just leave me the stumps of my arms so I can press the keys with my elbows. lol!

[JPfanner]

@AndroLeonidas
Aren't you writing fanfiction that pretty much has Liara and Miranda shacking up with Shepard or something like that? I never read fanfiction myself after all the horror stories I've heard about them, so I've never looked at yours or anyone else's so I'm just asking based on what I recall from posts on here. I'm not questioning your right to have your own Liara relationship or even criticizing whatever you're writing. I just think you might have a vested interest in Liara and Miranda coming together.
As for the confrontation scene, you have to remember Liara is a genius. She simply stands there and projects calm and reason quietly while Ashley/Kaiden become emotional. Liara doesn't need to say anything when Ashley/Kaiden are getting incensed and digging a hole for themselves.

EDIT:  Oops, you said so right in your post.  Sorry, I just woke up.

Modifié par JPfanner, 27 mars 2010 - 07:35 .

[bjdbwea]

@ AndroLeonidas

That's just, like, your opinion.  Why should anyone attack you for it.

That said, I disagree. It was Miranda's job to bring Shepard back. And she was very professional about it, even wanted to implant some kind of control device.

Remember, a lot of the time Shepard wouldn't have looked very pretty. And never during those two years was she able to talk to him. Those two things, especially the latter of course, seems to make it kind of hard to develop those feelings, I think. Would she have researched about him? For sure, but is that enough? I doubt it very much.

We don't bash other character, so regardless of my personal opinion about the handling of the romances in ME 2, I won't deny that Miranda can develop honest feelings for Shepard, but logically that can only happen once she travels with him. The game portrays it exactly like that, too.

As far as the mutual relationship is concerned: BioWare/EA would never go there, so it's irrelevant anyway. My Shepard for one would be completely content with Liara alone. And I for one would be happy if that relationship at least would get the attention from the developers that it should.

Most importantly, I also don't see it in Liara's character, nor in Miranda's. But of course people may like that fantasy. And why not, if they want to write or read about it - altering the character according to their personal ideas in the process - there's no harm done.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 27 mars 2010 - 07:43 .

[scmadsen]

The only way I see Liara remotely accepting of a three-way relationship with Shepard, is the fact that she loves Shepard very much, and wouldn't want to lose that, yet again. However, it would hurt her deeply I think. She'd think she wasn't good enough, that somehow something was lacking in her, or she had some flaw. This would eat at her, I think she also would be jealous. She does say she understands being jealous. I read that as her implying that she is indeed jealous. In the end, it would do the relationship harm. Liara might even grow angry of the last two years of her life she gave up, and all she went thru for Shepard, who in her mind, would think she wasn't good enough.

However, Liara is a very loving, caring, sweet, devoted, and a loyal person. To that end. If Shepard was to tell Liara that while she is the perfect mate, and that she/he loves Liara more than anything, but also that she/he wanted to have atleast one human child of her/his own...I think Liara would understand and be ok with that. Liara would feel it would be selfish of her, to not allow Shepard the same joy of having a child, that she would feel. If we are talking about a female. For male Shepard, she might be slightly hurt, thinking Shepard might feel an Asari daughter wasn't good enough, but I think she would be understanding.

For me personally, Liara is more then enough, she's the only one that matters, and no one else can even come close. An Asari daughter is more then fine. I'm sure as evil a bastard as TIM is, he has copies of Shepard's DNA and fully plans to make clones. Shepard will live on in Humanity, one way or another.

On a side note, as to the age thing. I fully expect Shepard to live as long as Liara now, and to undergo whatever it takes to stretch out her/his lifespan. In fact, it could very well be argued that Shepard and Liara could and will live forever. After defeating the Reapers and learning more about them, as well as, learning from the Geth. They might even turn into the thing they were hunting. Living on endlessly in synthetic bodies.

Also, putting age aside, I don't think Liara would take another lover or mate after Shepard. Not with way she reacts to Shepard's death. If Shepard was to die again before Liara. She would be a totally devoted mother to their daughters. Settling down and becoming a Matriarch like her mother.

Modifié par scmadsen, 27 mars 2010 - 07:50 .

[AndroLeonidas]

JPfanner wrote...

@AndroLeonidas
Aren't you writing fanfiction that pretty much has Liara and Miranda shacking up with Shepard or something like that? I never read fanfiction myself after all the horror stories I've heard about them, so I've never looked at yours or anyone else's so I'm just asking based on what I recall from posts on here. I'm not questioning your right to have your own Liara relationship or even criticizing whatever you're writing. I just think you might have a vested interest in Liara and Miranda coming together.
As for the confrontation scene, you have to remember Liara is a genius. She simply stands there and projects calm and reason quietly while Ashley/Kaiden become emotional. Liara doesn't need to say anything when Ashley/Kaiden are getting incensed and digging a hole for themselves.

EDIT:  Oops, you said so right in your post.  Sorry, I just woke up.

Crudely put... but in essence that is the direction my story wil take.
 
However that is not how I see the scene with Liara or her as a character or person in the game. I've never wanted a threesome with Ashley nor did I ever think about it ingame to be honest. I always went right for Liara and only talked to Ashley when I had too. As for a vested interest in Liara and Miranda shacking up as you put it... no I don't. That is just how my story will be. It is not how I play the game nor want the game to be.

The basis of the post was an explanation as to why I don't think it is impossible.

[Asheer_Khan]

I remember how Lili says when we enter Choras Den that Asari are very open when comes to thier sexuality and that's why in many cases they tend to be "abused" by other species.

I think this whole idea of love triangle was cut off because of potential backfire from "Morality Crusaders" which already done in off damages when comes to femShep/Lili Ilos cutscene.
So Bioware decided not to play whit fire however who known.... since there are voicefiles of femShep and Ash together before Ilos (there is(?) on Youtube short movie whit lesbian Ash) then maybe Bioware did consider after all some sort of triangle (femShep/Lili/Ash - for example) but after deliberation they decided that this could be little too much to handle.

But right now i want to have Lili on my Shep side again so they together can kick Timmy's back whit Espressolarity:devil::devil:.

[AndroLeonidas]

scmadsen wrote...

However, Liara is a very loving, caring, sweet, devoted, and a loyal person. To that end. If Shepard was to tell Liara that while she is the perfect mate, and that she/he loves Liara more than anything, but also that she/he wanted to have atleast one human child of her/his own...I think Liara would understand and be ok with that. Liara would feel it would be selfish of her, to not allow Shepard the same joy of having a child, that she would feel. If we are talking about a female. For male Shepard, she might be slightly hurt, thinking Shepard might feel an Asari daughter wasn't good enough, but I think she would be understanding.

On a side note, as to the age thing. I fully expect Shepard to live as long as Liara now, and to undergo whatever it takes to stretch out her/his lifespan. In fact, it could very well be argued that Shepard and Liara could and will live forever. After defeating the Reapers and learning more about them, as well as, learning from the Geth. They might even turn into the thing they were hunting. Living on endlessly in synthetic bodies.

Also, putting age aside, I don't think Liara would take another lover or mate after Shepard. Not with way she reacts to Shepard's death. If Shepard was to die again before Liara. She would be a totally devoted mother to their daughters. Settling down and becoming a Matriarch like her mother.

I don't see my Shepard wanting more than what Liara can give to him. As with you... Asari daughters are fine. They are still his children. Hell... my daughter doesn't look like me!

I don't see him living as long as Liara... I'd say 500-600 years old max. However... I don't think Liara would take another lover or bondmate once he passed on for real. I don't think that is in her character.

[JPfanner]

Asari sexuality isn't human sexuality. So while asari may very well open about THEIR sexuality, that doesn't necessarily include what is covered by human sexuality. The melding is obviously the pinnacle of their intimate experience, even if they do enjoy physical expresssions as well.

Modifié par JPfanner, 27 mars 2010 - 08:04 .

[bjdbwea]

Shavon wrote...

Hey guys, just a little something I drew up last night for the Liara fans. I have not drawn anything since I was a kid, so it's not amazing, so don't expect much, but thought I would share it anyway.

http://Shavon513.dev...nding-158617912

Nice! I fear we'll never see a proper continuation and conclusion, so that makes me appreciate any art that delivers what BioWare won't.

[JPfanner]

Shavon wrote...

Hey guys, just a little something I drew up last night for the Liara fans. I have not drawn anything since I was a kid, so it's not amazing, so don't expect much, but thought I would share it anyway.
http://Shavon513.dev...nding-158617912

Baby asari are so cute

[scmadsen]

Being open about your sexuality and being promiscuous, aren't the same thing. Liara even tells us, that Asari are only assumed to be promiscuous.

Being open about sexuality, would be things like, being comfortable with nudity, not shy with being sexual in public, being comfortable with any type of partner, being willing to try just about anything in bed with their partner.

But promiscuous, I don't think most Asari are. Think of it this way. You can go to a strip club, you can get a lapdance, but no matter how much you think the dancer wants you, they really only want your money, and they aren't going to bed with you. Asari don't mind showing off, and even touching, but they aren't going to go around melding with just anyone. Touching to them, isn't sex. To a race that can join minds and share bodies, physical sex has to be very boring to them. Most might not even do that kind of thing, only as an expression of love with their bondmate.

Shavon wrote...

Hey guys, just a little something I drew
up last night for the Liara fans. I have not drawn anything since I was
a kid, so it's not amazing, so don't expect much, but thought I would
share it anyway.
http://Shavon513.dev...nding-158617912

I like it.

Modifié par scmadsen, 27 mars 2010 - 08:17 .

[jlb524]

Shavon wrote...

Hey guys, just a little something I drew up last night for the Liara fans. I have not drawn anything since I was a kid, so it's not amazing, so don't expect much, but thought I would share it anyway.
http://Shavon513.dev...nding-158617912

Awww!!! 

Baby so cute!!! 

[AndroLeonidas]

Shavon wrote...

Hey guys, just a little something I drew up last night for the Liara fans. I have not drawn anything since I was a kid, so it's not amazing, so don't expect much, but thought I would share it anyway.
http://Shavon513.dev...nding-158617912

Cute!

[Shadowcat101]

Always nice to see more Liara fan art Shavon. nice effort.