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[mrbeavis19]

JaylaClark wrote...

mrbeavis19 wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

mrbeavis19 wrote...
Did you notice that in some of the cutscenes, the shadows actually change when the camera angle does? Like, a straight shot of Shep's face, and only the left side is shadowed, but then when it cuts to a shot from the left to show whoever he's talking to as well and suddenly its like the light source is on the left and the right side of his face is shaded lol I know that sounds nit-picky, but it's noticeable if you watch for it.

Yeah, like bjdbwea said they seem to be spawning cutscene/dialogue specific lighting and shadows that override (or probably conflict with) the normal default environmental ones.  Plus, shadows are just seriously just crazy in that game.

Yeah, but you'd think a company as experienced as BW would have someone checking for stuff like that before it reaches us? But whatever, it's not that much of an issue.

Rough quote from, I think, either PCGamer of Game Informer -- "The engine is showing its age in a lot of places; sometimes we were wondering why the characters were crying oil slicks."  It could be the engine needs work, though this is another reason why I wish we in this thread... or a related one of course ... were not only champing at the bit for the comic to end, but also for the game to come out for the first time.  I think this is a game that could've used a little more time to polish it up.

Lol "oil slicks". That's true, they did look weird.

[Shadowcat101]

GamerFSS86 wrote...

@Shadowcat...........what is your website that has your pics on? I forgot sorry

http://shadowcat1001.deviantart.com

[JPfanner]

mrbeavis19 wrote...

Yeah, but you'd think a company as experienced as BW would have someone checking for stuff like that before it reaches us? But whatever, it's not that much of an issue.

I just did those screenshots with my asari blue TestShep so people could see that Illium is really doing weird things to Liara's coloring. I can live with the other stuff, graphics are usually pretty low on my list of things to value about a game. A lot of my personal favorite games were for the Commodore 64 : )

I really wouldn't even care if it didn't affect Liara. She was really gorgeous in ME1 and her being turned all grey in ME2 is just like salt in the wounds on top of everything else. But at least now we know that Illium definitely turns asari blue to grey.

[bjdbwea]

I don't mind graphics either. Though I do wonder why ME 2 again doesn't have animated hair, just like DA - hey, NWN already had it, and KotoR of course too! Apart from that only the ugly dark shadows in ME 2 really bothered me, but that at least seems to be fixed now.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 28 mars 2010 - 04:03 .

[scmadsen]

A few questions to get some discussion going.

Given the choice; Would you let Liara kill the Shadow Broker, kill the Shadow Broker for her, stop her from killing the Shadow Broker, try to bring the Shadow Broker in, or let the Shadow Broker go?

How should this effect Liara and the relationship been her and Shepard?

If the Paragon choice is to stop Liara from killing the Shadow Broker, and the choice Renegade is to let her, which will you pick?

Does the Shadow Broker need to die, for Liara to heal?

If we are allowed, should Liara make the choice herself? What do you think she would do?

If Liara was left to make the choice, and she picked not to kill the Shadow Broker, and if allowed, would you then kill the Shadow Broker yourself?

If we are unable to kill the Shadow Broker for whatever reason, what effect will/should this have on Liara? Will she give up her quest, or will she be lost to it? Is her love for Shepard strong enough to allow her to let go?

Why do you think she didn't want to drop everything and run away with Shepard when they met on Illium?

[JPfanner]

I'd just rather the whole situation be resolved as simply and with as few choices as possible. Kill the Shadow Broker in the most expedient manner possible and that frees Liara of the debt she felt she owed him for everything that happened. The fewer choices and discussion about the whole thing the better. Then she either hops on the Normandy as an NPC post suicide mission, or she ties up loose ends on Illium but is ready to go for ME3.

The relationship is discussed and there is either smooching and plans for the future or she accepts that Shepard has someone else now. That doesn't diminish what she did in anyway, it just means Shepard wasn't as worthwhile a person as she thought they were. There is still a galaxy that needs saving though and she'll do what she can because she's a hero.

If the Shadow Broker situation wasn't resolved to her satisfaction, then she'd just either drop it or put it on hold come ME3. There's a galaxy that needs to be saved and the extinction of galactic civilization precludes everything else. Liara is one of the few people in the galaxy who knows what the true stakes are. She's got several centuries afterwards to do whatever she wants.

Liara doesn't come with you in ME2 because it was decided that she and Ashley/Kaiden weren't going to be squadmates right from the start of the design process. It is as simple as that. Any problems with the reasoning why they don't come in game is entirely a writing/design failure to provide a convincing justification for that initial design choice.

[Unata]

scmadsen wrote...

1. Given the choice; Would you let Liara kill the Shadow Broker, kill the Shadow Broker for her, stop her from killing the Shadow Broker, try to bring the Shadow Broker in, or let the Shadow Broker go?

2. How should this effect Liara and the relationship been her and Shepard?

3. If the Paragon choice is to stop Liara from killing the Shadow Broker, and the choice Renegade is to let her, which will you pick?

4. Does the Shadow Broker need to die, for Liara to heal?

5. If we are allowed, should Liara make the choice herself? What do you think she would do?

6. If Liara was left to make the choice, and she picked not to kill the Shadow Broker, and if allowed, would you then kill the Shadow Broker yourself?

7. If we are unable to kill the Shadow Broker for whatever reason, what effect will/should this have on Liara? Will she give up her quest, or will she be lost to it? Is her love for Shepard strong enough to allow her to let go?

8. Why do you think she didn't want to drop everything and run away with Shepard when they met on Illium?

1. Liara has no fear or hesitation in killing anyone if they deserve it, so I would let her considering her anguish and determination over SB.

2. Both feel SB should take a perminate vacation

3. Renegade, she needs the conclusion of it all for herself to heal

4. Yep, Shepard also once all the reaper stuff is done it will come back to haunt

5. She would do it.

6. Yep

7. Depends on how that scenero happens I think

8. Can't really answer this one, there is something missing in the equation, hell for all we know it my just be a quirp of the Asari in general, Her mother was determined to stop Saren, Samara has much the same determination, Shiala also for the colony

[Unata]

@General Stubbs What specific crime has SB commited? that would stick in a court of law of some kind?

[JPfanner]

GamerFSS86 wrote...

@JPfanner........I agree somewhat of what you said but the part about fewer choices as possible I couldn't live with that. after what Liara has been through I would want an in-depth Liara-SB DLC.

I just hope ME doesn't mess the game up and they do it right

Well the reason why I want fewer choices as possible is partly because I'm totally freaking sick of the Shadow Broker at this point.  I just want him dead and never have to hear about anything to do with him after that.  The second reason is that if there are choices, then that opens up the possibility for there to be choices that are hurtful to Liara.  And she doesn't deserve that, it is bad enough people can be an ass to her on Illium when you can't even be a supportive friend.  Let the people that dislike her or get off on hurting her be the ones frustrated by not being able to say or do what they want for a change instead of us.

[Unata]

Pausing for some humor here

[Slakky]

JPfanner wrote...
Well the reason why I want fewer choices as possible is partly because I'm totally freaking sick of the Shadow Broker at this point.  I just want him dead and never have to hear about anything to do with him after that.  The second reason is that if there are choices, then that opens up the possibility for there to be choices that are hurtful to Liara.  And she doesn't deserve that, it is bad enough people can be an ass to her on Illium when you can't even be a supportive friend.  Let the people that dislike her or get off on hurting her be the ones frustrated by not being able to say or do what they want for a change instead of us.

I think even more than this, there's really no good plot reason for you to have a choice.  What makes the SB dangerous is the contents of his head.  You can't leave someone like that walking around angry.  Any choice they add in this respect is just going to seem like a contrived excuse to hand out more badass or sanctimonious douche points.

[JPfanner]

GamerFSS86 wrote...
Yes I am sick of the SB to and I'm probably gonna kill him myself and not let Liara because she has been hurt WAY to much for any normal person can go through.

i don't really care if the SB scene is not in-depth but the scene afterwards (love scene hopefully) yes I want that to be in-depth and I think you would agree to and everyone Right?

Oh definitely.  There's only going to be so much content no matter what.  So it's like every choice and discussion before the resolution of the Shadow Broker situation is content that could have been better spent on more Liara smoochies afterwards : )