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[Zandilar]

Hmm.. I smell a lot of paranoia swirling around in this thread.

Orphaned TLK files don't really mean anything taken on their own. We have to wait and see what happens...

Also, DON'T GIVE THE DEVS IDEAS!!

Some of you have come up with simply awful scenarios, and I'm going to be bitterly disappointed if any of them make it into ME3. All I can say is, be happy and shiney, express what YOU want, not what you think the Devs are going to do to screw us over. Honestly.

Modifié par Zandilar, 19 février 2010 - 12:29 .

[Nynaeve]

PARANOIA IS EVERYWHERE



I agree with you Zandilar, overanalyzing things can be a b***h...maybe we need to take a step back from becoming over paranoid and just be happy with the fact that our lovely Liara has got a big role in the future...

[MoSa09]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Yeah, I can't disagree with your points.

Something that I feel should have been made more obvious is that her life has probably constantly been in danger for the past 2 years. I mean, we know her secretary was probably going to attempt to kill her. The SB is probably not a guy that takes something like stealing lying down. So he's probably been attempting to off her the entire time - and that alone would go a long way towards explaining her demeanor. It's either get tough, or be killed and Liara wants to live.

As for the comics, I agree that we should withhold judgement until they are complete. However I have been less than impressed thus far - normally I would happily give the team the benefit of the doubt, but the comics are really uneven. The main issue is that Liara's vendetta has to start like immediately after Shepard dies, but the character we see in ME2 can't just appear once the comics end. She has to develop into that over 2 years of hardship.

Lastly, yes, I agree that the main issue is Shepard's reaction. I actually love the idea that she's wary and reticent because she's scared to death Shepard will hate her. Making Liara be alone the past two years, not having any friends she can trust and having to fight, spy, etc is a very interesting place to take her.
The main issue is that they set up all this depth, but then don't let the player go into it!

Not it's me to a agree with you. The comics are indeed uneven and by now, i'm not that impressed. But still, some part of the story still has to be told, and maybe a Liara dlc will fill the remaining gaps. That won't repair the problems of the comics but can ease some discomfort they have created.
And i guess all the developing between you and Liara was simply delayed to ME 3. One can argue that it would have done some good if at least some of it would have been hinted or implemented earlier, and i won't disgaree with that, but i'm sure it's just delayed and not scraped, so in the end, everything will turn out good.

And after reading my quote in your post, i apologize for my bad writing today, found some horrible mistakes. Guess staying up all nights and play Me 2  is starting to take it's toll on me and i need some serious sleep

Modifié par MoSa09, 19 février 2010 - 12:39 .

[Srslydude01]

Woo Liara!

I have confidence that the developers already planned to give Liara a a lot larger role in Mass Effect 3. I'm not worrying. She is the reason why Shepard is even there in Mass Effect 2 after all.

[bjdbwea]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Certainly some ideas may remain, but unless the DLC replaces the entire Liara interaction it wouldn't fit. She says the Observer survives your assault on the shadow broker, so the entire questline would need to change.

I like that idea.

So basically, it looks as though the Liara quest was planned quite differently to the tedious hacking job we have now. We don't know what happened, and when, but possibly the relationship angle fell under the table too during the restructuring.

[MoSa09]

bjdbwea wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Certainly some ideas may remain, but unless the DLC replaces the entire Liara interaction it wouldn't fit. She says the Observer survives your assault on the shadow broker, so the entire questline would need to change.

I like that idea.

So basically, it looks as though the Liara quest was planned quite differently to the tedious hacking job we have now. We don't know what happened, and when, but possibly the relationship angle fell under the table too during the restructuring.

Are you certain that Observer line is not a simple replacement when you kill the wrong person? I my first run, i accidently killed the Krogan instead of her assistant, and later in her office, Liara was insecure if she got the right person. Maybe the dialogue you found was meant to be there in that case, telling you you didn't get the Observer and then later replaced by expressing her insecurity if you got the right person or not?
Just an idea, don't know if you can check or verify it indeed belongs to a larger quest or is just a replacement and we're overanalyzing things a little bit?

[bjdbwea]

No idea, just interpreting what others have said. By the way, any way to edit those TLK files yet? If we assume that the Emails are saved there as well (?), I can just imagine someone changing one or two of the more useless Emails into something more meaningful... Shame that ME doesn't support real proper modding like DA or Fallout 3 do. It's much more acceptable if the developers overlook things or cut corners when they at least give the community the chance to fix things themselves.

[jlb524]

I wouldn't over analyze those files that much. I highly doubt they'll use any of that content since they've changed the direction of the SB/Liara plot-line.

If they're making Liara related DLC, they'll have Hillis voice new lines for it (and Meer/Hale). What is there now is nothing substantial and most of it doesn't fit in with the new plot.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 février 2010 - 01:07 .

[Driveninhifi]

MoSa09: It's definitely part of the "kill shadow broker quest"



Shepard: 'Liara, the Shadow Broker is dead. That should be enough.'

Liara: 'No, not while his trusted agents can still strike back. They were working with the Collectors, Shepard...they have to pay.'

Liara: 'I found one interesting thing though. One of the Shadow Broker's top agents survived our attack. It's someone called 'The Observer'. Taking down the Observer will tie up most of the last loose ends the Shadow Broker left behind.'

I recall the dialogue if you pick the wrong person, but it's different.



bjdbwea:

I can dump the TLK files out no problem. Editing them is a different story - and there really isn't much reason to do so right now. Sure you could change emails and stuff, but it wouldn't impact a whole lot...

[bjdbwea]

Of course it wouldn't. But modifying the TLK would be the only way to mod in the Email that Liara refused to send.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Because the last thread got closed out only a few posts after I posted this picture I made...

Disclaimer: My photoshop skillz are lacking, but I had an amusing thought the other day about Liara's portrayal in ME2.



Edit: jpg fail

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 19 février 2010 - 01:44 .

[Metalunatic]

Yes, I support this thread. Give us Liara!

[jlb524]

Driveninhifi wrote...

bjdbwea:
I can dump the TLK files out no problem. Editing them is a different story - and there really isn't much reason to do so right now. Sure you could change emails and stuff, but it wouldn't impact a whole lot...

What do you use to dump the TLK files? 

[KainrycKarr]

This threads needs a /bump

[Phen0m20]

Taritu wrote...

Give me back my blueberry!

 this.

[jlb524]

rynluna wrote...

I'd like to see more pics of the gorgeous Dr. T'soni!!

[maikanix]

General Stubbs wrote...

I guess the possibility would be there for Shepard and Liara to have children, as Shepard will probably live a great deal longer with the cybernetics.
I guess the romantic ending would need to be permanent in the sense of Shepard and Liara doing something to express their love as it is the conclusion to the game and hopefully will solve the relationship problem in some type of DLC. Marriage could be a option if we were faithful, perhaps? (Do Asari even have a type of marriage)?

I was thinking about this too. And I would love it if it happened. 

I'd also like to express my desire for it to be impossible to continue the romance if you cheated. Or...at the very least, very difficult. I don't know that Bioware will comply, but it would make me feel better, and I'm sure a lot would agree. We all waited for Liara, through the whole series. It would make me unhappy if people could just jump back and forth simply because they had a certain amount of paragon points.

For example, I know a lot of tali-lovers romanced Liara in ME1, and as much as I hate to say it. I want it to break Liara's heart. 

Also, general support of Liara that will probably be repeated. <3

[maikanix]

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Modifié par maikanix, 19 février 2010 - 02:38 .

[jlb524]

maikanix wrote...

I'd also like to express my desire for it to be impossible to continue the romance if you cheated. Or...at the very least, very difficult. I don't know that Bioware will comply, but it would make me feel better, and I'm sure a lot would agree. We all waited for Liara, through the whole series. It would make me unhappy if people could just jump back and forth simply because they had a certain amount of paragon points.

For example, I know a lot of tali-lovers romanced Liara in ME1, and as much as I hate to say it. I want it to break Liara's heart. 

I agree.   I don't want getting back with the ME1 LI to be too easy if you cheated on them.  I also want the cheaters to feel bad about it and I want Liara to react in a way that ensures this.  What I don't want is for Liara to lash out violently  at the new LI and start a fight.  This would give the cheaters a reason to feel justified when they on Liara (OMG!  Liara's such a crazy b*tch!   It's her fault I cheated...that's what she gets for being nutso!!).

I'd rather Liara take the 'bad news' from Shepard well but with an obvious pained and saddened expression on her face.  I want the cheaters feeling guilty!!

[jlb524]

Here's another pic...

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...


I agree.   I don't want getting back with the ME1 LI to be too easy if you cheated on them.  I also want the cheaters to feel bad about it and I want Liara to react in a way that ensures this.  What I don't want is for Liara to lash out violently  at the new LI and start a fight.  This would give the cheaters a reason to feel justified when they on Liara (OMG!  Liara's such a crazy b*tch!   It's her fault I cheated...that's what she gets for being nutso!!).

I'd rather Liara take the 'bad news' from Shepard well but with an obvious pained and saddened expression on her face.  I want the cheaters feeling guilty!!

They shouldn't be able to at all, otherwise what was the point of staying faithful?

[JPfanner]

jlb524 wrote...
I agree.   I don't want getting back with the ME1 LI to be too easy if you cheated on them.  I also want the cheaters to feel bad about it and I want Liara to react in a way that ensures this.  What I don't want is for Liara to lash out violently  at the new LI and start a fight.  This would give the cheaters a reason to feel justified when they on Liara (OMG!  Liara's such a crazy b*tch!   It's her fault I cheated...that's what she gets for being nutso!!).

I'd rather Liara take the 'bad news' from Shepard well but with an obvious pained and saddened expression on her face.  I want the cheaters feeling guilty!!

Yeah, I definitely think the quiet disappointment would be the best way to go.  Liara is too mature to throw a fit or even throw blame around.  She's already done what she thought she had to in rescuing your carcass; allowing you to stop the Collectors and save the galaxy again in ME3.  She was there to stop Saren.  When it's all said and done she'll still be a hero in 900 years and if Shepard didn't get to share a larger part of her life then she's not the one losing out.