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[StinkyNelkin]

I really want to be able to marry her/ give her daughters at the end of the next one.

[Unato]

you know if you look up the dictionary ( and here I'll use oxford online cause I'm lazy to get my physical copy )



asexual



• adjective 1 Biology without sex or sexual organs. 2 (of reproduction) not involving the fusion of gametes. 3 without sexual feelings or associations.



Liara fits both #1 and #2 I do believe so it's not like Casey is "wrong"



either way I hope the LI in ME3 will be a whole lot better then what happened in ME2

[Driveninhifi]

I think it's made clear that Liara has sexual organs. I don't think he actually meant asexual, he meant monogendered.



I really want to have Shepard and Liara to have kids, then be able to watch a newscast/commentator compain. They could talk about how Shepard is abandoning his/her race by not allowing his/her awesome genetic code to proliferate in humanity. It would totally fit in the universe. Then you could have the asari commentator be kind of smug and say, "Well, we're very happy with Shepard."

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Yeah, right now my faith in Bioware is rock bottom. They took the "troubled second romance act" as "great, we can ditch them and play it off as troubled". I wouldnt be at all surprised to see them take "final resolution of the romance" to simply be "a repeat of act 1". Basically, even if Liara is a squadmate in ME3, the romance could still be a disappointment.

Of course even thats shaky right now. Bioware might figure "resolving" the romance can be finished in another sideline NPC/cameo role.

Provided things remain unchanged (and we get no DLC featuring the ME1 LIs, actually giving them a worthwhile role) I wont have much faith in Bioware resolving this well at all.

Of course thats natural considering ME2 is probably my biggest disappointment from a video game ever.

Agreed all around.

[speedy111280]

Driveninhifi wrote...

I think it's made clear that Liara has sexual organs. I don't think he actually meant asexual, he meant monogendered.

I really want to have Shepard and Liara to have kids, then be able to watch a newscast/commentator compain. They could talk about how Shepard is abandoning his/her race by not allowing his/her awesome genetic code to proliferate in humanity. It would totally fit in the universe. Then you could have the asari commentator be kind of smug and say, "Well, we're very happy with Shepard."

I think that's why so many Asari flirt with Shepard. What Asari wouldn't want to be the one to bring the savior of the Citadel's traits into the Asari race? Of course in my Shepard's case they will have to accept the fact that she isn't sharing her genetic makeup with anyone but Liara.

[bjdbwea]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Of course thats natural considering ME2 is probably my biggest disappointment from a video game ever.

For me, that would be KotoR 2. Since that day I haven't pre-ordered any game. Until ME 2. And bam, disappointed again. No pre-orders anymore. It helps that the bonus items aren't exactly spectacular either.

[Yeled]

I might be willing to agree that ME2 was my greatest disappointment in a video game as well, though not because I hated it. I had wildly high expectations and the story failed to deliver. I thought the game was good, but I was expecting great. And some of the elements that made it less than great were tremendously dissapointing.



Mostly I thought the story was kinda meh, and the carry through from ME1 to ME2 of things I was emotionally attached to not present at all. Of course I realize those elements are the most complex things the devs have to deal with, but I had built up Bioware so highly in my mind that I thought those would be the very things they would tackle. I hadn't been disappointed by them before...this was the first time.



Its unsettling.

[Nozybidaj]

Yeled wrote...

I might be willing to agree that ME2 was my greatest disappointment in a video game as well, though not because I hated it. I had wildly high expectations and the story failed to deliver. I thought the game was good, but I was expecting great. And some of the elements that made it less than great were tremendously dissapointing.

Mostly I thought the story was kinda meh, and the carry through from ME1 to ME2 of things I was emotionally attached to not present at all. Of course I realize those elements are the most complex things the devs have to deal with, but I had built up Bioware so highly in my mind that I thought those would be the very things they would tackle. I hadn't been disappointed by them before...this was the first time.

Its unsettling.

Almost word for word my thoughts.  I would have thought BW up to the challenge of tackling these ongoing stories, I was honestly expecting something revolutionary to the video game industry, something that was going to redefine how people viewed video games as a story telling medium.  I don't think there is anything BW could have done to let me down more. 

A lot of the changes and advancements they made were really good (combat changes, advancements in digital acting, etc), but so small in comparison to the challenges they completely glossed over and ignored.

I certainly don't view BW in the same regard for story telling as I did before, problem is there aren't many other companies out there trying to pick up the banner.

[maikanix]

StinkyNelkin wrote...

I really want to be able to marry her/ give her daughters at the end of the next one.

Agreed. Either that or have to choose between her, and the death of millions / disaster. So I can choose her.
Preferably both. Ok, I don't want people to die. But it'd be nice...if there was no other way. Sacrifice my crew, for example. I could do that. That's pretty dark, right? That's what they wanted.

I just really want something emotionally charged. A real romance.
I want them to SHOW they love each other.

I know it's probably hard for them, what with all the various possible romances and combinations, to focus on the romance, but still. They should quit being lazy! Shut down the critics who say they can't make a decent fully-fleshed game, and can only make bare-bones games where the bones are gold, and filled with thin strips of good writing.

I dunno though..this thread is turning negative again. It's disappointing. We're supposed to be hopeful.

Bioware will give us our Liara back. And it will be good enough to preclude the necessity for a formal apology on their part. (though it couldn't hurt to do it anyways....).

[JamieCOTC]

The ME3 Liara romance could go in any direction at this point.  However, my (way off the charts) bet is for ...

1. She becomes a squad mate and "because of the two year separation" Shepard will have to re-romance her. Thus Shepard gets three scenes of dialog w/ her and she comes to his/her cabin before the big boss fight.
2. Damaged by guilt and regret, Liara goes after the Shadow Broker and destroys everything and everyone in her path to get to him, (including innocents) thus becoming (for Paragon Shep) a secondary "villain".  
3, In a ME2 Liara DLC she sends Shepard off to kill the Shaow Broker and save Feron. Shepard does just that and so she gives Shepard some more credits and sends him or her back to fighting the reapers w/out any real explanation as to why she can't tag along. In ME3, Liara becomes the new Shadow Broker.
4. Samara shows up on a mission to kill Liara for "wickedness." Shepard learns that Liara has indeed been "flaying people alive w/ her mind" and must choose between true love and blind justice.  
5. In a ME2 Liara DLC she sends Shepard on another pointless mission to retrieve some bit of info that gets her one more step to the SB. In ME3, Liara accompanies Shepard onto the refitted (and hopefully repainted) SSV Normandy.  Her "loyalty mission" will be to kill the SB and rescue Feron.  After that, blue baby asari are in the not too distant future.  

What I would like to see is this: Liara goes after the Shadow Broker and asks for Shepard's help.  She makes it known that she will get the SB at any cost.  Shep can then go on the killing spree with her, stop her (and risk losing her), or join her to make sure the body count is as low as possible.  The SB eventually escapes. Liara will not let it go. Shep can either, let her go (and lose her forever), renegade interrupt by subduing her and taking her back to the ship, or Paragon her into letting it go (at least for a time). Ultimately we learn that Liara took Shepard's death the hardest (duh) as she wanted to let go, but couldn't.  So she has guilt for wanting to let Shepard go, guilt for giving Shepard to Cerberus, guilt for getting Feron into whatever trouble he is in, anger at the SB for stealing Shepard's body, Anger at herself failing and possibly anger at Shepard for dying and leaving her in the first place.*  That all adds up to one beautifully f*cked up little blueberry that you just want to hold until all is better. 

*(no, that last bit may not make any kind of logical sense, but emotions rarely make any kind of logical sense.)

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 25 février 2010 - 03:42 .

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...


What I would like to see is this: Liara goes after the Shadow Broker and asks for Shepard's help.  She makes it known that she will get the SB at any cost.  Shep can then go on the killing spree with her, stop her (and risk losing her), or join her to make sure the body count is as low as possible.  The SB eventually escapes. Liara will not let it go. Shep can either, let her go (and lose her forever), renegade interrupt by subduing her and taking her back to the ship, or Paragon her into letting it go (at least for a time). Ultimately we learn that Liara took Shepard's death the hardest (duh) as she wanted to let go, but couldn't.  So she has guilt for wanting to let Shepard go, guilt for giving Shepard to Cerberus, guilt for getting Feron into whatever trouble he is in, anger at the SB for stealing Shepard's body, Anger at herself failing and possibly anger at Shepard for leaving her in the first place.*  That all adds up to one beautifully f*cked up little blueberry that you just want to hold until all is better. 

*(no that last bit may not make any kind of logical sense, but emotions rarely make any kind of logical sense.)

Now, those are some emotionally engaging moments!  Even if they can pull half of that off, it would be awesome.

[JPfanner]

This is kind of a tangent and probably totally boring for most people but...

Unato wrote...

you know if you look up the dictionary ( and here I'll use oxford online cause I'm lazy to get my physical copy )

asexual

• adjective 1 Biology without sex or sexual organs. 2 (of reproduction) not involving the fusion of gametes. 3 without sexual feelings or associations.

Liara fits both #1 and #2 I do believe so it's not like Casey is "wrong"

either way I hope the LI in ME3 will be a whole lot better then what happened in ME2

That definition covers the three uses of asexual. The first would be gender; asari are definitely female. They are placental viviparous (live birth, placental development like humans) and not like bacteria. They are monogendered, and that one gender is female.

The second is reproductive strategy; this is the one that actually applies to them, they only have one gamete which contains all the genetic information.*

The third is attitude or even orientation; asari obviously don't fall into this category. They're sexually aware and even recognize mother/father roles in producing offspring. Individuals, just like humans, could orient as asexual however.



So asari are sexually aware females who reproduce asexually.



*Asari parthogenesis doesn't fit known methods, it is a bit like gynogenesis though. Personally I'd argue that asari parthogenesis is sexual reproduction because of the variance in the DNA of the fertilized gamete and the need for melding with a partner.

[Sharn01]

Asexual is grasping a bit, since the current definition is not measured to fit a species that reproduces in the manner Asari do, and I am sure it would be redefined if a species was ever encountered that did reproduce in a method as distint as they do.



Loosely asexual means you can reproduce with out a parter, which asari are not capable of. They very much do have sexual organ's, you know this by how they give birth, you also know this from talking to Liara in the first game where she states that while sex is not needed for the purpose of reproduction, that asari will often have sex during reproduction for the purpose of enjoyment, as well as have sex for the sake of such enjoyment without the purpose of reproduciton.

[Sharn01]

I expected Liara to have a very small part, the length of her appearance did not upset me at all. The complete lack of any acknowledgement that you romanced her did tick me off.

[JPfanner]

Sharn01 wrote...

Asexual is grasping a bit, since the current definition is not measured to fit a species that reproduces in the manner Asari do, and I am sure it would be redefined if a species was ever encountered that did reproduce in a method as distint as they do.

Loosely asexual means you can reproduce with out a parter, which asari are not capable of. They very much do have sexual organ's, you know this by how they give birth, you also know this from talking to Liara in the first game where she states that while sex is not needed for the purpose of reproduction, that asari will often have sex during reproduction for the purpose of enjoyment, as well as have sex for the sake of such enjoyment without the purpose of reproduciton.

Yeah that's why I qualified the asexual reproduction part.  Gynogenic reproduction requires a partner and even insemination for fertilization, there just isn't any exchange of genetic material and that is considered asexual because of the singular gamete.  I personally don't consider asari parthogenesis to be asexual.
I was just pointing out that asari are in fact female and how they reproduce is an entirely different thing.  It'd be like saying someone couldn't be a lesbian once they hit menopause.

[erik212]

Too lazy to read all the pages of posts, but does anyone have any theories on what happens if you had her as the LI for ME1, then chose to stay faithful to her during ME2 and didn't choose anyone else?

[JPfanner]

General Stubbs wrote...

Yeah, I always find it funny when Casey speaks. He sounds as if he has never played the game half the time.
As you said, biologically speaking there is no such thing as an asexual species (at least not in the definition Casey talks about).

How many people's first thought when you bought ME2 was, "Screw the Collector storyline and new characters, I can't wait to see Liara".

Seeing Liara again was the whole reason I preordered the Collector's Edition.  I was furious when TIM lied to my face about her not being trustworthy.  Then when I finally got to Illium I was just confused.  I reloaded eight times trying to see if I had missed something.  And yeah, I just didn't give a crap about the Collectors, I wanted to talk to Liara but all you're allowed to do is sit there like an idiot.  I think I just sat there in Liara's office scowling for about two hours.

[Sharn01]

erik212 wrote...

Too lazy to read all the pages of posts, but does anyone have any theories on what happens if you had her as the LI for ME1, then chose to stay faithful to her during ME2 and didn't choose anyone else?

I think most of us are more caught up in hoping that Liara appear's in ME3 and that if you stayed faithful the romance will actually progress somewhere rather then hit the reset button and repeat the ME1 romance.  They have not really given us enough hope to have speculations on how good of a job they will do with her, instead we are worried if the will do a good job at all.

[Sakhalin]

I love Liara! She better come back in ME3. Hopefully we will get more of her in the DLC. I just hope BW isn't planning on turning her into an Infested Kerrigan...

[AndroLeonidas]

JamieCOTC wrote...

The ME3 Liara romance could go in any direction at this point.  However, my (way off the charts) bet is for ...

1. She becomes a squad mate and "because of the two year separation" Shepard will have to re-romance her. Thus Shepard gets three scenes of dialog w/ her and she comes to his/her cabin before the big boss fight.
2. Damaged by guilt and regret, Liara goes after the Shadow Broker and destroys everything and everyone in her path to get to him, (including innocents) thus becoming (for Paragon Shep) a secondary "villain".  
3, In a ME2 Liara DLC she sends Shepard off to kill the Shaow Broker and save Feron. Shepard does just that and so she gives Shepard some more credits and sends him or her back to fighting the reapers w/out any real explanation as to why she can't tag along. In ME3, Liara becomes the new Shadow Broker.
4. Samara shows up on a mission to kill Liara for "wickedness." Shepard learns that Liara has indeed been "flaying people alive w/ her mind" and must choose between true love and blind justice.  
5. In a ME2 Liara DLC she sends Shepard on another pointless mission to retrieve some bit of info that gets her one more step to the SB. In ME3, Liara accompanies Shepard onto the refitted (and hopefully repainted) SSV Normandy.  Her "loyalty mission" will be to kill the SB and rescue Feron.  After that, blue baby asari are in the not too distant future.  

What I would like to see is this: Liara goes after the Shadow Broker and asks for Shepard's help.  She makes it known that she will get the SB at any cost.  Shep can then go on the killing spree with her, stop her (and risk losing her), or join her to make sure the body count is as low as possible.  The SB eventually escapes. Liara will not let it go. Shep can either, let her go (and lose her forever), renegade interrupt by subduing her and taking her back to the ship, or Paragon her into letting it go (at least for a time). Ultimately we learn that Liara took Shepard's death the hardest (duh) as she wanted to let go, but couldn't.  So she has guilt for wanting to let Shepard go, guilt for giving Shepard to Cerberus, guilt for getting Feron into whatever trouble he is in, anger at the SB for stealing Shepard's body, Anger at herself failing and possibly anger at Shepard for dying and leaving her in the first place.*  That all adds up to one beautifully f*cked up little blueberry that you just want to hold until all is better. 

*(no, that last bit may not make any kind of logical sense, but emotions rarely make any kind of logical sense.)

While I think it will most definitely have to do with the SB, I'm thinking more along the lines that she gets in over her head, Shep somehow discovers it, goes to aide her and then either lets her kill the SB or paragons her out of it. Afterwards, he gets her to admit she has always loved him and she joins the crew for the final mission against the reapers. At the end, we see them relaxing somewhere on some planet and watching little blue rug rats run around.

[Vamp-Willow]

I was faithful Liara... please come back to me!!!

Modifié par Vamp-Willow, 25 février 2010 - 10:19 .