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[JaylaClark]

Somebody1003 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Me too and it's fully w/in his character. 

I agree, and I dont blame him really for what happened.

Yeah, that's a pretty interesting point there... why would they ground Joker, one of the best pilots in the Alliance?  Splitting up the crew was all they had to do to keep the lid on the Reaper threat.  And like you can ask Dr. Chakwas, and point out that she could've gotten onto any starship she wanted... there had to be some other reason for Joker getting grounded.  Like him and Liara mentioning that he refused evacuation at the hearing.

He did pay for insubordination -- not the discharge he should have gotten (possibly because of his record) but it's the only thing that makes sense.  Now, anyway.

[JaylaClark]

Somebody1003 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Me too and it's fully w/in his character. 

I agree, and I dont blame him really for what happened.

Yeah, that's a pretty interesting point there... why would they ground Joker, one of the best pilots in the Alliance?  Splitting up the crew was all they had to do to keep the lid on the Reaper threat.  And like you can ask Dr. Chakwas, and point out that she could've gotten onto any starship she wanted... there had to be some other reason for Joker getting grounded.  Like him and Liara mentioning that he refused evacuation at the hearing.

He did pay for insubordination -- not the discharge he should have gotten (possibly because of his record) but it's the only thing that makes sense.  Now, anyway.

Im sure he didnt just sit there and let the Alliance or the council spit on Shepards name.

He probably spoke up and because of that was grounded.

Well that too, but no one is calling Shepard a lunatic except for the turian councilor anyway.  Still, there's a goodly chance that either or both are contributing factors.

[JPfanner]

Shepard's death was downplayed and obscured, so that would have been the only thing saving Joker from a court martial or any kind of official reprimand. His career was probably over though and he'd be piloting a desk. At the very least his actions would be viewed as contributing factors to the death of the hero of the battle of the Citadel and the first human Spectre.

I'm sure that Liara or the Virmire survivor would have been ticked off enough not to hold back on the truth just to protect Joker's career.

[JamieCOTC]

I can’t recall who posted this, (apologies), but someone on the board mentioned that their femShep might possibly cry after her meeting w/ Liara. I think it was in reference to thinking of all the things Liara has endured. Taking into account that everyone’s own Shep is the canon Shepard, would your Shepard (male or female) cry? I’ll go first.

My main femShep, Urania, is a colonist/sole survivor. I don’t think she would cry, at least not right away. Not only has she seen enough death to be able to bottle it up, she has to concentrate on the mission. However, I could see her doing some mundane task or perhaps something she and Liara did together and it would hit her. She might not even notice that she was crying at first, and then she would catch herself, get mad at herself for letting it get to her. Maybe have a drink. Then get back to work.

Anyway, just putting it out there.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 30 mars 2010 - 03:15 .

[mrbeavis19]

JaylaClark wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Me too and it's fully w/in his character. 

I agree, and I dont blame him really for what happened.

Yeah, that's a pretty interesting point there... why would they ground Joker, one of the best pilots in the Alliance?  Splitting up the crew was all they had to do to keep the lid on the Reaper threat.  And like you can ask Dr. Chakwas, and point out that she could've gotten onto any starship she wanted... there had to be some other reason for Joker getting grounded.  Like him and Liara mentioning that he refused evacuation at the hearing.

He did pay for insubordination -- not the discharge he should have gotten (possibly because of his record) but it's the only thing that makes sense.  Now, anyway.

Im sure he didnt just sit there and let the Alliance or the council spit on Shepards name.

He probably spoke up and because of that was grounded.

Well that too, but no one is calling Shepard a lunatic except for the turian councilor anyway.  Still, there's a goodly chance that either or both are contributing factors.

I really wish there was some third option at the end of ME1 where you could kill just the turian councilor. I hate that guy. <_<

[scmadsen]

JaylaClark wrote...

Okay, I'll just *sigh* and go "Oh, Stubbs..." and leave it at that.  (Probably JP as well.)  With one last bit -- do you really think Liara would appreciate that?  Hmm? *crosses arms and gives knowing look*  She's not that hardened in ME2...

I agree with what you are saying. And I know Liara would feel bad about it, but she'd get over it. Remember Joker is the one at fault here, he did disobey an order, and is too foolish to let go of his ship. Shepard is allowed to be foolish also, and not let go of Liara.

Modifié par scmadsen, 30 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[UFOash]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I can’t recall who posted this, (apologies), but someone on the board mentioned that their femShep might possibly cry after her meeting w/ Liara. I think it was in reference to thinking of all the things Liara has endured. Taking into account that everyone’s own Shep is the canon Shepard, would your Shepard (male or female) cry? I’ll go first.
My main femShep, Urania, is a colonist/sole survivor. I don’t think she would cry, at least not right away. Not only has she seen enough death to be able to bottle it up, she has to concentrate on the mission. However, I could see her doing some mundane task or perhaps something she and Liara did together and it would hit her. She might not even notice that she was crying at first, and then she would catch herself, get mad at herself for letting it get to her. Maybe have a drink. Then get back to work.
Anyway, just putting it out there.

My Shepard was like...
WTF Its been 2 years all I get is a kiss & an assignment!

But then he did it anyway cause my Shepherd's a doormat

Modifié par UFOash, 30 mars 2010 - 03:18 .

[scmadsen]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I can’t recall who posted this, (apologies), but someone on the board mentioned that their femShep might possibly cry after her meeting w/ Liara. I think it was in reference to thinking of all the things Liara has endured. Taking into account that everyone’s own Shep is the canon Shepard, would your Shepard (male or female) cry? I’ll go first.

My main femShep, Urania, is a colonist/sole survivor. I don’t think she would cry, at least not right away. Not only has she seen enough death to be able to bottle it up, she has to concentrate on the mission. However, I could see her doing some mundane task or perhaps something she and Liara did together and it would hit her. She might not even notice that she was crying at first, and then she would catch herself, get mad at herself for letting it get to her. Maybe have a drink. Then get back to work.

Anyway, just putting it out there.

My main Shepard is a female spacer war hero, and I think she would cry. Not at first, and not in public, but later on. It would be more a feeling of being ashamed at what she put Liara thru. I think it would hit her the most, like you said, when doing something that reminded her of Liara. Perhaps catching herself doing some kind of nervous tick that Liara used to do, but now something Shepard does without thinking about, a side effect of their meld, if you will.

[Shadowcat101]

What’s with the looking for someone to blame. shi*t happens. So Liara has had a bit more shi*t then most, she is working thought it. Maybe with a pay off in ME3, maybe not, that’s life….. errrr computer games

Modifié par Shadowcat101, 30 mars 2010 - 03:27 .

[JaylaClark]

JPfanner wrote...

Shepard's death was downplayed and obscured, so that would have been the only thing saving Joker from a court martial or any kind of official reprimand. His career was probably over though and he'd be piloting a desk. At the very least his actions would be viewed as contributing factors to the death of the hero of the battle of the Citadel and the first human Spectre.
I'm sure that Liara or the Virmire survivor would have been ticked off enough not to hold back on the truth just to protect Joker's career.

This is totally true -- and I'd really like some evidence that the Joker I thought I knew wouldn't hold back on himself.  Joker comes off from my observation in my playthroughs as someone who'd realize what he'd done after the fact, and admit it.  "I refused evacuation because of my stubborn belief that I could keep the Normandy together until help arrived, and Lieutenant Commander Shepard is dead in large part because of that."

I'm not sure, though, am I seeing a different Joker than everyone else?

[UFOash]

JaylaClark wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

Shepard's death was downplayed and obscured, so that would have been the only thing saving Joker from a court martial or any kind of official reprimand. His career was probably over though and he'd be piloting a desk. At the very least his actions would be viewed as contributing factors to the death of the hero of the battle of the Citadel and the first human Spectre.
I'm sure that Liara or the Virmire survivor would have been ticked off enough not to hold back on the truth just to protect Joker's career.

This is totally true -- and I'd really like some evidence that the Joker I thought I knew wouldn't hold back on himself.  Joker comes off from my observation in my playthroughs as someone who'd realize what he'd done after the fact, and admit it.  "I refused evacuation because of my stubborn belief that I could keep the Normandy together until help arrived, and Lieutenant Commander Shepard is dead in large part because of that."

I'm not sure, though, am I seeing a different Joker than everyone else?

Thats the whole point of Mass Effect.
Everyones playthrough is different.

[Maria Caliban]

Shadowcat101 wrote...

What’s with the looking for someone to blame. shi*t happens. So Liara has had a bit more shi*t then most, she is working thought it. Maybe with a pay off in ME3, maybe not, that’s life….. errrr computer games

*wants to give your avatar a hug*

[JPfanner]

JaylaClark wrote...
This is totally true -- and I'd really like some evidence that the Joker I thought I knew wouldn't hold back on himself.  Joker comes off from my observation in my playthroughs as someone who'd realize what he'd done after the fact, and admit it.  "I refused evacuation because of my stubborn belief that I could keep the Normandy together until help arrived, and Lieutenant Commander Shepard is dead in large part because of that."

I'm not sure, though, am I seeing a different Joker than everyone else?

That's the Joker I WANTED to see.  I liked him in ME1 a lot, I owed him one for rescuing Liara on Therum, and that Mako drop on Ilos is just awesome all around.  But then when you meet up with him he doesn't seem at all to appreciate what you did, or sorry that he could have made better decisions.  All he does is say he got grounded so he joined a terrorist organization.  That isn't exactly the kind of second chance that is worth Shepard's life to give to someone.
I still like him in ME2, but I have to pretend that we did have a talk where he stopped kidding and he did express that gratitude and regret.  Which isn't that hard to do because the whole Liara scene pretty much ensures that my capacity for self delusion was all primed up.

[UFOash]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Hello. Just dropping by to say hello from the Tali thread.