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[bjdbwea]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

But now something tells me that dark clouds start to gather over entire ME series... WHAT IF EA decide to scrap ME 3 and divert entire effort on SW ToR?

They would never scrap it. The engine is in place, and as far as I know they're already working on ME 3. There is significant profit to be made, so ME 3 will come. However the big question is how it will look like. My expectations are very low now after ME 2 and Awakening, not only as far as the romance bits are concerned, but in general.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 30 mars 2010 - 06:08 .

[jlb524]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sometimes i wonder how Liara's and Shepard situation will look if Drew Karpshyn will be still lead writer for ME trilogy...because what Mac Walters do was plain outrage when he reduced major ME 1 characters (except Tali and Garrus... however question is WHY?) to 10 minute cameos (Ash/Kaidan, Anderson (or Udina in default game) and create absolutely unlogical Lili's situation on Illum...

I don't know.  The general direction of Liara's character may have been decided early on and even by Drew; Mac being just the writer that implemented it. We don't know this really.   I don't have a problem with the general direction they've taken Liara in but in the way it was implemented.   If you're going to show a different side to an established character then do it in a way that makes sense and in a much larger role than a brief cameo.

But now something tells me that dark clouds start to gather over entire ME series... WHAT IF EA decide to scrap ME 3 and divert entire effort on SW ToR?
I known that this is too dark prediction but my senses start to rise some concerns in that field.

I'm pretty sure BW has already started on ME3 so I wouldn't worry about that. 

Modifié par jlb524, 30 mars 2010 - 06:12 .

[SimonTheFrog]

jlb524 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Sometimes i wonder how Liara's and Shepard situation will look if Drew Karpshyn will be still lead writer for ME trilogy...because what Mac Walters do was plain outrage when he reduced major ME 1 characters (except Tali and Garrus... however question is WHY?) to 10 minute cameos (Ash/Kaidan, Anderson (or Udina in default game) and create absolutely unlogical Lili's situation on Illum...

I don't know.  The general direction of Liara's character may have been decided early on and even by Drew; Mac being just the writer that implemented it. We don't know this really.   I don't have a problem with the general direction they've taken Liara in but in the way it was implemented.   If you're going to show a different side to an established character then do it in a way that makes sense and in a much larger role than a brief cameo.

But now something tells me that dark clouds start to gather over entire ME series... WHAT IF EA decide to scrap ME 3 and divert entire effort on SW ToR?
I known that this is too dark prediction but my senses start to rise some concerns in that field.

I'm pretty sure BW has already started on ME3 so I wouldn't worry about that. 

@ Liara cameo.

I agree. Just a couple of lines in the right direction would have made all the difference. 

@ ME3

Remember the wombat. 

[Asheer_Khan]

*Sigh...* I hope you right guys... i really hope.

[UFOash]

Will Liara be here old self again in ME3?
In a way I'd like it because she was much better before but on the other hand it'd seem kinda dumb.

Modifié par UFOash, 30 mars 2010 - 06:26 .

[jlb524]

SimonTheFrog wrote...
@ ME3

Remember the wombat. 

Ah, yes...I think that settles it!  ME3 is in production as we speak.

[morrie23]

UFOash wrote...

Will Liara be here old self again in ME3?
In a way I'd like it because she was much better before but on the other hand it'd seem kinda dumb.

I expect there to be some changes, but nothing too drastic, more a maturing.

[morrie23]

Hopefully its the codename for putting back some of the RPG parts of the game.

[UFOash]

justinnstuff wrote...

 I wish their code names weren't so random. Project Sasquach happened to be the ammo system in ME2. Calling it Wombat gives us no inclination. I'd be happy with off the wall speculation but we're totally in the dark! I guess that's the point though 

Well...Sasquatchs are hairy...so they are probably very warm...& the ME2 ammo were called "heat sinks" .
So...maybe...err...wait wtf is a wombat!?

[Blansten]

I agree that the writers dropped the ball with Liara in ME2, it would have been very easy to tweak the writing without adding a lot of content. We will never get that moment back though.



I am hoping that they will make up for that in ME3, things have not progressed beyond the point of no return and a few of the better written fanfics have shown that the romance can be salvaged.



I do not however see that huge of a disconnect between the Liara of ME1 and the Liara of ME2 ... yes they act differently but it is not unrealistic imo



-Liara showed that she was very reserved while she and Shepard were first forming their relationship

-She showed the ability to put her grief for her mother aside to focus on saving the galaxy, she herself made a point of saying this

-During the confrontation scene with Ashley she was not in the least intimidated and stood her ground against what can be seen as a very strong and forceful competitor

-In no wat did she ever come across to me as a helpless little flower



In ME2 she is definitely determined and clearly has something she needs to see through. She has given no indication that she wants to BE the SB, only that she feels she has a very strong reason to get rid of him.



What some see as cold I see as an extension of her reserve. The old Liara breaks through with the right dialog. Add to that the 2 years she has had to endure and "goddess" only knows what restrictions Cerberus may have placed on her and her behavior seems at least understandable.



She always said she didn't need protecting and this just proves it. To me she is more complete if also still broken (that makes more sense in my head)



Sorry this is so disjointed I am trying to type this at work

[Asheer_Khan]

Here it is... Wombat in his true form  

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 30 mars 2010 - 06:40 .

[UFOash]

Blansten wrote...

I agree that the writers dropped the ball with Liara in ME2, it would have been very easy to tweak the writing without adding a lot of content. We will never get that moment back though.

I am hoping that they will make up for that in ME3, things have not progressed beyond the point of no return and a few of the better written fanfics have shown that the romance can be salvaged.

I do not however see that huge of a disconnect between the Liara of ME1 and the Liara of ME2 ... yes they act differently but it is not unrealistic imo

-Liara showed that she was very reserved while she and Shepard were first forming their relationship
-She showed the ability to put her grief for her mother aside to focus on saving the galaxy, she herself made a point of saying this
-During the confrontation scene with Ashley she was not in the least intimidated and stood her ground against what can be seen as a very strong and forceful competitor
-In no wat did she ever come across to me as a helpless little flower

In ME2 she is definitely determined and clearly has something she needs to see through. She has given no indication that she wants to BE the SB, only that she feels she has a very strong reason to get rid of him.

What some see as cold I see as an extension of her reserve. The old Liara breaks through with the right dialog. Add to that the 2 years she has had to endure and "goddess" only knows what restrictions Cerberus may have placed on her and her behavior seems at least understandable.

She always said she didn't need protecting and this just proves it. To me she is more complete if also still broken (that makes more sense in my head)

Sorry this is so disjointed I am trying to type this at work

I always thought she just didn't understand what was going on .
Like in the romance confrontation screen she seemed oblivious to Ashley's anger rather than just unintimidated by it.
Thats why I was kinda shocked by her behaviour in ME2 .

[Asheer_Khan]

justinnstuff wrote...

Haha Asheer, I like how you added Liara into your European sig.

I found that siggy more related to second one :wub: so i made change

[screwoffreg]

One thing we need to bear in mind about Liara, and Mordin mentions it in an unrelated case, is that she is still an alien/asari and as such her motivations, emotional underpinnings, and reactions to things are likely very different from Shepard's. We cannot assume that she would act or feel the same way as a human would, so ascribing characteristics of such may be part of the reason we are failing to understand her.



She is asari, one of the oldest and proudest races in the Galaxy. She was raised by an ambitious and powerful Mother in a fashion very similiar to how nobles were raised on Earth. It would not be surprising then to find she has certain expectations and goals in life that would take precedence over romance, ESPECIALLY because she is a Maiden. It seems that maidens/matrons/matriarchs have very different needs, maybe as a result of differing biological impulses. Right now, Liara is being driven to "experience things", build herself up, etc. Most other maidens are either in strip clubs or joining mercenary bands, killing with glee (as we see on Illium). Most every other asari we run into in the game has a certain "edge" to them, even the younger ones. Why would Liara be different?



Nerdy and awkward, perhaps. I think part of the reason people are disappointed is because maybe they are expecting the wrong things from her. She isn't Ashley or Miranda, who would act as certain human archetypes would.

[jlb524]

screwoffreg wrote...

One thing we need to bear in mind about Liara, and Mordin mentions it in an unrelated case, is that she is still an alien/asari and as such her motivations, emotional underpinnings, and reactions to things are likely very different from Shepard's. We cannot assume that she would act or feel the same way as a human would, so ascribing characteristics of such may be part of the reason we are failing to understand her.

She is asari, one of the oldest and proudest races in the Galaxy. She was raised by an ambitious and powerful Mother in a fashion very similiar to how nobles were raised on Earth. It would not be surprising then to find she has certain expectations and goals in life that would take precedence over romance, ESPECIALLY because she is a Maiden. It seems that maidens/matrons/matriarchs have very different needs, maybe as a result of differing biological impulses. Right now, Liara is being driven to "experience things", build herself up, etc. Most other maidens are either in strip clubs or joining mercenary bands, killing with glee (as we see on Illium). Most every other asari we run into in the game has a certain "edge" to them, even the younger ones. Why would Liara be different?

Nerdy and awkward, perhaps. I think part of the reason people are disappointed is because maybe they are expecting the wrong things from her. She isn't Ashley or Miranda, who would act as certain human archetypes would.

These are very good points.  Dating an asari =/= dating a human.   It adds a sense of tragedy to the romance as there could me misunderstandings between Liara's and Shepard's intent.  Liara may feel that things are going well between Shepard and her atm even though most Shepards out there do not think this

I think Liara's different from most young asari b/c of Benezia and her status as her daughter.  Benezia would have held her to higher standards than average asari daughters and would have pushed her to achieve more than them at an earlier age.  I believe Liara's 'rebellion' against Benezia really wasn't a true rebellion at all, given that Liara still stayed true to the core values Benezia taught her (work hard, carry yourself with pride, etc).  Benezia was probably disapointed only in the fact that Liara focused her ambitions on studying the past and not in attempting to better the present/change the future.  Benezia still allowed Liara to follow her own path though.  I have a feeling Benezia would have been beyond furious if Liara decided to strip in a club or become a merc. 

[morrie23]

Somebody1003 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

GamerFSS86 wrote...

Hello all, Why is everyone talkin about wombats?

Christina Norman made a comment on her "project wombat for ME3" on twitter the other day.

Whats that?

During ME2 she worked on Project Sasquatch, which was ME2s ammo system. Project Wombat is some aspect of ME3 she is now developing. No one knows what it is.

Modifié par morrie23, 30 mars 2010 - 07:42 .