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She just looks really sickly & The smile looks sooooooo forced.
It actually makes me feel kinda sick...
Modifié par Somebody1003, 30 mars 2010 - 08:49 .
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scmadsen wrote...
To start with, I think people underestimate Liara. She isn't a delicate flower just because some people stereotype her as such. Nor is she acting as such in the first game. She's the daughter of a powerful Matriarch, she had to deal with growing up in her mother's "court" as it were, and while she didn't like that, and left that life, she still spent 50 or so years of her life there. She isn't socially awkward as a character trait, but because of the fact that she has a crush on Shepard, and doesn't understand humans. Around Asari, I'm sure she fits right in and can deal with the best of them, on her own terms. She made a new home on Illium, an Asari world, because she can deal with other Asari.
Also, she's a powerful biotic, likely trained by her mother, or at the very least, her mother's best commandos. She isn't some little girl that needs protection. During her time on her own, she dealt with every problem that came her way, and she killed people without it bothering her. Because those people were bad, and they deserved it. She traveled with Shepard, and killed more bad people, she wasn't broken up over that either. Does that make her a killer? No, it makes her a solider.
Liara is also a genius. She figured out what happened to the Protheans on her own, and while she wasn't able to name the Reapers, she atleast had some idea about them. Shepard was just able to fill in the gaps for her. Others had been researching the Protheans for thousands of years, and Liara comes along and figures it all out in fifty.
Liara loved her mother, and was worried about her, the signs were there. Sure, she felt outcast, but she still loved her, and her mother returned that love. Did they have the perfect family life, no, but who does really. That doesn't make her heartless. She knew that the mission to save the galaxy was important, and that there would be time for grief later. After the Battle of the Citadel, I can picture Liara crying and getting over her mother's death, with Shepard holding her and comforting her. She also almost lost Shepard too, remember that.
Now, don't forget, that after the Battle of the Citadel, Liara and Shepard were together, Bondmates, living together on the Normandy, she gave up her life for Shepard, she didn't go back to Ilos, she stayed with the one she loved. She was starting to settle down, think about having daughters, and planing for a life with Shepard, then suddenly, that is all ripped painfully from her. If Liara wasn't broken and changed from that happening, then something would be wrong with her. The fact that she is affected by it is normal.
She goes on a quest for the one she loves, she wants to bring Shepard's body back, and lay it to rest, so she can cry for her lover, and so her lover can be at peace. That's not crazy or being obsessed, that's a normal want for anyone that loses a loved one. But what happened during her quest, isn't normal. She learns the Shadow Broker has Shepard's body and is going to sell it to the Collectors. Now, think about that, what if someone grave robbed the body of someone you cared about, how would that make you feel? Now not only that, but think if that person was then about to sell the body to some lab company for who knows what kind of weird research.
Liara has every single right to be pissed off at the Collectors and the Shadow Broker. She wants him to pay for that, I'd be surprised if she didn't want to kill him. If this had happened in reverse, you should damn well expect that Shepard would of hunted down the Shadow Broker, taking out his organization piece by piece, before killing him painfully. That's what Liara has been doing so far, and been working toward. We should love her more for that kind of devotion, not call her crazy.
Liara wasn't allowed the peace of laying Shepard to rest, she was contacted by Cerberus, and you know she knew just what they were. But they made her an offer, and in her grief and pain, she gave in, because TIM played her and because she couldn't let Shepard go. Could you of let someone go that you loved? If someone told you, that they could bring someone you love back to life, would you honestly say no, even if this person was evil?
Liara has had two years of pain and sadness, she's been worried about Shepard, what Cerberus will do, what Shepard will think of her. She did the only thing she could, she gave into revenge and has been hunting the Shadow Broker. She didn't break down and cry for Shepard to point that she did nothing else, or waste the last two years getting drunk and high, she went back to work. And while the primary goal of her task is to kill that bastard, her second goal is to help Shepard, by learning more about the Collectors, who she knows Shepard will be going after. Also, as I have said before, I firmly believe that she also was helping to fund the project to bring Shepard back by being an Information Broker. part of the deal with Cerberus or not, but I think she would do that, to help speed it along, and not see the project stopped due to running out of funds.
Liara is a woman broken by loss, who has given into anger and hate, because that's easier to deal with, then thinking about what she lost. The true sweet and loving Liara is still there, we can even see it, as her front she puts up falters a bit. Liara knows how to deal with people, she's powerful, she's wealthy, she's a soldier, she's a genius, and she's in love.
She sees in Shepard, someone wise and strong, a powerful figure that does what must be done because it's the right thing to do. At first she had a crush on Shepard, because Shepard was able to touch a beacon and, not only not be destroyed by it, but understand it. That crush gave way to love, and she fell for Shepard because of who she came to know Shepard as. Liara and Shepard are soulmates. Don't forget, that Liara and Shepard bonded, and they now carry each other inside them. Liara has been strengthened by Shepard, setting revenge aside, she knows what the right thing to do is, and that's take out the Shadow Broker, the galaxy will be a better place without him. She learned that, when he was willing to make a deal with the Collectors.
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UFOash wrote...
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Somebody1003 wrote...
Coming from the guy that posts fat tali pics.<_<UFOash wrote...
Somebody1003 wrote...
Whats wrong with that?<_<UFOash wrote...
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She just looks really sickly & The smile looks sooooooo forced.
It actually makes me feel kinda sick...
lol
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She's a little stressed, if you pay attention
to her scene[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] But I
find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's
all.
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Shavon wrote...
She's a little stressed, if you pay attention to her scene:wizard: But I find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's all.
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
scmadsen wrote...
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Brilliant post scmadsen, and I agree with every word you say in your analysis of Liara. It's so sad how some people are just dismissing her, when in actuality she needs help and is suffering horribly. Can't wait until we get that opportunity, hopefully in Liara's DLC. I want tender and emotional dialogue and scenes with Liara!
I love her, after all!!
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Shavon wrote...
She's a little stressed, if you pay attention to her scene:wizard: But I find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's all.
Indeed, Shav. Liara's smile does look a little forced at times. She's probably trying to put on a front of happiness for her beloved.
Compare Liara's smile in ME2 to the one in my avatar. There, she's genuinely happy and content. In ME2, not so much so as she's stressed, sorrowful and plain unhappy.
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Cartims wrote...
scmadsen wrote...
To start with, I think people underestimate Liara. She isn't a delicate flower just because some people stereotype her as such. Nor is she acting as such in the first game. She's the daughter of a powerful Matriarch, she had to deal with growing up in her mother's "court" as it were, and while she didn't like that, and left that life, she still spent 50 or so years of her life there. She isn't socially awkward as a character trait, but because of the fact that she has a crush on Shepard, and doesn't understand humans. Around Asari, I'm sure she fits right in and can deal with the best of them, on her own terms. She made a new home on Illium, an Asari world, because she can deal with other Asari.
Also, she's a powerful biotic, likely trained by her mother, or at the very least, her mother's best commandos. She isn't some little girl that needs protection. During her time on her own, she dealt with every problem that came her way, and she killed people without it bothering her. Because those people were bad, and they deserved it. She traveled with Shepard, and killed more bad people, she wasn't broken up over that either. Does that make her a killer? No, it makes her a solider.
Liara is also a genius. She figured out what happened to the Protheans on her own, and while she wasn't able to name the Reapers, she atleast had some idea about them. Shepard was just able to fill in the gaps for her. Others had been researching the Protheans for thousands of years, and Liara comes along and figures it all out in fifty.
Liara loved her mother, and was worried about her, the signs were there. Sure, she felt outcast, but she still loved her, and her mother returned that love. Did they have the perfect family life, no, but who does really. That doesn't make her heartless. She knew that the mission to save the galaxy was important, and that there would be time for grief later. After the Battle of the Citadel, I can picture Liara crying and getting over her mother's death, with Shepard holding her and comforting her. She also almost lost Shepard too, remember that.
Now, don't forget, that after the Battle of the Citadel, Liara and Shepard were together, Bondmates, living together on the Normandy, she gave up her life for Shepard, she didn't go back to Ilos, she stayed with the one she loved. She was starting to settle down, think about having daughters, and planing for a life with Shepard, then suddenly, that is all ripped painfully from her. If Liara wasn't broken and changed from that happening, then something would be wrong with her. The fact that she is affected by it is normal.
She goes on a quest for the one she loves, she wants to bring Shepard's body back, and lay it to rest, so she can cry for her lover, and so her lover can be at peace. That's not crazy or being obsessed, that's a normal want for anyone that loses a loved one. But what happened during her quest, isn't normal. She learns the Shadow Broker has Shepard's body and is going to sell it to the Collectors. Now, think about that, what if someone grave robbed the body of someone you cared about, how would that make you feel? Now not only that, but think if that person was then about to sell the body to some lab company for who knows what kind of weird research.
Liara has every single right to be pissed off at the Collectors and the Shadow Broker. She wants him to pay for that, I'd be surprised if she didn't want to kill him. If this had happened in reverse, you should damn well expect that Shepard would of hunted down the Shadow Broker, taking out his organization piece by piece, before killing him painfully. That's what Liara has been doing so far, and been working toward. We should love her more for that kind of devotion, not call her crazy.
Liara wasn't allowed the peace of laying Shepard to rest, she was contacted by Cerberus, and you know she knew just what they were. But they made her an offer, and in her grief and pain, she gave in, because TIM played her and because she couldn't let Shepard go. Could you of let someone go that you loved? If someone told you, that they could bring someone you love back to life, would you honestly say no, even if this person was evil?
Liara has had two years of pain and sadness, she's been worried about Shepard, what Cerberus will do, what Shepard will think of her. She did the only thing she could, she gave into revenge and has been hunting the Shadow Broker. She didn't break down and cry for Shepard to point that she did nothing else, or waste the last two years getting drunk and high, she went back to work. And while the primary goal of her task is to kill that bastard, her second goal is to help Shepard, by learning more about the Collectors, who she knows Shepard will be going after. Also, as I have said before, I firmly believe that she also was helping to fund the project to bring Shepard back by being an Information Broker. part of the deal with Cerberus or not, but I think she would do that, to help speed it along, and not see the project stopped due to running out of funds.
Liara is a woman broken by loss, who has given into anger and hate, because that's easier to deal with, then thinking about what she lost. The true sweet and loving Liara is still there, we can even see it, as her front she puts up falters a bit. Liara knows how to deal with people, she's powerful, she's wealthy, she's a soldier, she's a genius, and she's in love.
She sees in Shepard, someone wise and strong, a powerful figure that does what must be done because it's the right thing to do. At first she had a crush on Shepard, because Shepard was able to touch a beacon and, not only not be destroyed by it, but understand it. That crush gave way to love, and she fell for Shepard because of who she came to know Shepard as. Liara and Shepard are soulmates. Don't forget, that Liara and Shepard bonded, and they now carry each other inside them. Liara has been strengthened by Shepard, setting revenge aside, she knows what the right thing to do is, and that's take out the Shadow Broker, the galaxy will be a better place without him. She learned that, when he was willing to make a deal with the Collectors.
WOW, I love her even more now, you have a tremendous incite into her character, thank you for sharing it.
Modifié par Shavon, 30 mars 2010 - 09:07 .
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UFOash wrote...
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Shavon wrote...
She's a little stressed, if you pay attention to her scene:wizard: But I find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's all.
Indeed, Shav. Liara's smile does look a little forced at times. She's probably trying to put on a front of happiness for her beloved.
Compare Liara's smile in ME2 to the one in my avatar. There, she's genuinely happy and content. In ME2, not so much so as she's stressed, sorrowful and plain unhappy.
Actually, now that I look your pic looks kinda scary
Kinda like a clown in a horror film.
Modifié par GamerFSS86, 30 mars 2010 - 09:09 .
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GamerFSS86 wrote...
UFOash wrote...
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Shavon wrote...
She's a little stressed, if you pay attention to her scene:wizard: But I find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's all.
Indeed, Shav. Liara's smile does look a little forced at times. She's probably trying to put on a front of happiness for her beloved.
Compare Liara's smile in ME2 to the one in my avatar. There, she's genuinely happy and content. In ME2, not so much so as she's stressed, sorrowful and plain unhappy.
Actually, now that I look your pic looks kinda scary
Kinda like a clown in a horror film.
don't go startin crap------their are some good people in this thread they all love Liara for who she is and feel bad for what has happened to her
JPfanner wrote...
@scmadsen
I think it is important to keep in mind that not everyone romanced Liara, and that default non-import Shepard for whom ME2 was written and designed for does not have any romances at all. So while we wouldn't have any problems with a deep love as a motivation for Liara, I can see where it might make her seem more than a bit delusional if you apply that as a motivation across the board. Plus, I personally don't want her caring as deeply for someone who didn't return her love. And that is one of the reasons why her ingame presentation in ME2 is quite frankly insulting for me.
She does all that stuff for every Shepard, so it was the responsibility of Bioware to make players who were her LI feel special through additional content just for them in the game. And the same goes for Ashley and Kaiden and their interactions with players who romanced them. Unless you dumped them or hated them to begin with, it seems like the most constructive thing you can say about how it was handled is that there is plenty of room for improvement/expansion with future content.
Really something like that comic series written specifically for her as an LI would have been so cool. Instead of an emphasis on beating people who sexually harass her, they could have showed more emotional scenes with Liara as she deals with Shepard being dead and her determination to do one last thing for her love by not letting their body be desecrated.
I really think they could have done so much more in the game with both her and Ashley/Kaiden. Instead it seems like moronic crap like that shooting pyjaks mini-game were a higher priority. It just blows that seemingly more care goes into a page on this thread than what was show in game for Liara as a love interest. If only Bioware had decided to show us some of that consideration.
I’m reading all of what you guys are saying. And with this being the Liara support thread it’s a pretty good guess that she is the LI for your Sheapard.
But what if we look at it from the other side. If we had gone with Ashley for example. That’s where her reasons starts to fall apart for me. Why would she go this far for Ashley’s LI? The two don’t really get along, Ashley is no fan of Aliens. Why would Liara do all this for… well for Ashley. Unless it’s some ploy for Liara to win Sheapard over, and out of Ashley’s hands. But she had no idea that Cerberus could bring sheapard back from the dead.
Unless she is totally selfless. In that case she is a tool, and it would be a tool of Sheapards. That could be said for anyone on his team really…. What a sick barsted. He is no better than TIM.
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UFOash wrote...
GamerFSS86 wrote...
UFOash wrote...
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Shavon wrote...
She's a little stressed, if you pay attention to her scene:wizard: But I find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's all.
Indeed, Shav. Liara's smile does look a little forced at times. She's probably trying to put on a front of happiness for her beloved.
Compare Liara's smile in ME2 to the one in my avatar. There, she's genuinely happy and content. In ME2, not so much so as she's stressed, sorrowful and plain unhappy.
Actually, now that I look your pic looks kinda scary
Kinda like a clown in a horror film.
don't go startin crap------their are some good people in this thread they all love Liara for who she is and feel bad for what has happened to her
I like her too.
Just saying she looks weird when she smiles
The "still applies somewhat" is the important part. Liara should not be in love with every Shepard, which includes people that rejected her and were a total ass, as much as she is in love with someone who returned that love and entered into a union with her. Giving equivalency to those relationships diminishes the entire relationship and runs counter to everything Liara talks about when she discusses the personal meaning of the union for her.Shavon wrote...
Edit: @ JPfanner, I think Liara is in love with Shepard regardless of who Shep romances. So it still applies somewhat, but not everyone agrees.
GamerFSS86 wrote...
UFOash wrote...
GamerFSS86 wrote...
UFOash wrote...
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Shavon wrote...
She's a little stressed, if you pay attention to her scene:wizard: But I find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's all.
Indeed, Shav. Liara's smile does look a little forced at times. She's probably trying to put on a front of happiness for her beloved.
Compare Liara's smile in ME2 to the one in my avatar. There, she's genuinely happy and content. In ME2, not so much so as she's stressed, sorrowful and plain unhappy.
Actually, now that I look your pic looks kinda scary
Kinda like a clown in a horror film.
don't go startin crap------their are some good people in this thread they all love Liara for who she is and feel bad for what has happened to her
I like her too.
Just saying she looks weird when she smiles
thats because of the hell she's been through damn.......don't judge the book cover before you read the book........READ THE BOOK FIRST (I meant Liara is the book)
GamerFSS86 wrote...
UFOash wrote...
GamerFSS86 wrote...
UFOash wrote...
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Shavon wrote...
She's a little stressed, if you pay attention to her scene:wizard: But I find nothing wrong with her smile. It looks a bit strained, that's all.
Indeed, Shav. Liara's smile does look a little forced at times. She's probably trying to put on a front of happiness for her beloved.
Compare Liara's smile in ME2 to the one in my avatar. There, she's genuinely happy and content. In ME2, not so much so as she's stressed, sorrowful and plain unhappy.
Actually, now that I look your pic looks kinda scary
Kinda like a clown in a horror film.
don't go startin crap------their are some good people in this thread they all love Liara for who she is and feel bad for what has happened to her
I like her too.
Just saying she looks weird when she smiles
thats because of the hell she's been through damn.......don't judge the book cover before you read the book........READ THE BOOK FIRST (I meant Liara is the book)
:wub: to read^_^
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Modifié par GamerFSS86, 30 mars 2010 - 09:17 .
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I agree, I was actually talking to someone on xbox live yesterday that was in the middle of talking with Liara in ME2 and in the discussion of what she did for you, (the speech she gives after you tell her who the observer is), and he said that he was very suprised how much Liara likes you, and did for you even though he didnt romance her.LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
You have to say that Liara's motivations and the words she uses are deliberately left ambiguous in Redemption. For us Liara LI fans, it's easy to interpret her actions out of love for Shepard, and seeking closure after her lover has died, and her using the term "friend" meaning her lover. For non Liara LI Shepards, you can interpret as Liara having a strong bond with Shepard as a friend, with her unrequited love. She sees it as her sense of duty to have the hero of the Citadel layed to rest.
Plus, a big part of her motivation is to seek redemption for Shepard's death, which she blames herself for. Liara even says that in the comic.
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scmadsen wrote...
Thanks for the replies all. I was reading today's posts and I thought I'd reply to them. I kind of take it personally when people speak badly about Liara. Now who is the obsessed one...not me, nope...
I just <3love<3 Liara, and I want to see all this be settled.
We need a DLC with Liara. This can't be left until ME3.
We need to be allowed to talk with Liara, she needs to open up to Shepard and let it all out, the pain, the sadness, the worry, the guilt, the grief, everything. Shepard needs to open up, apologize for not being there, and for leaving her, vowing to never do so again. Letting Liara know that it's not her fault at all. They need to find each other again, and the scene needs to end with them melding, showing that are still Bondmates.
We also need to kill the Shadow Broker, after thinking about it, I want him dead, now, I don't want to wait till ME3. And next, I want TIM dead, that can wait till ME3, but he has to die too. Not only did he dare lie to Shepard about Liara, but he played her, and made her suffer. People say he has been protecting her, but I really don't think Liara needs protection, she can handle herself just fine. Other people just get in her way. Shepard is the only one she needs.
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