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Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:35

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How can TIM doing something like that to Liara be awesome?! :o

It would be awesome because we'd finally have some solid motivation for Liara's odd behavior in ME2.  If TIM warns her to stay away from Shepard, it would explain why she breaks off the kiss, why she's so distant, and why she won't go with her on the mission.  If she was doing all of those things just to keep Shepard safe from TIM, it adds a whole new layer of tragedy onto Liara's story.  It would make her (hopefully) epic return to grace in ME3 all the more powerful and satisfying. 

But again...... it ain't happening.
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Ok that would explain Liaras behavior ( not that I think thats the way it is), but how do we explain Sheps behavior? It's like Shep isn't even present in the room, no emotions and no interest to find out way Liara is behaving as she is and what she's been up to the past two years. *I smell ****ty unimaginative and lazy writing!*

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:37

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morrie23 wrote...

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As you know I'm an optimist about stuff like this, so....
Maybe redemption 4 ends with "The End...for now. The rest you are going to find out in the Liara DLC which will come out in a few weeks" ^_^


If Redemption ends like this, well, I'd be very happy.

I do hope #4 contains more than Liara just handing Shep over, just a few panels setting up a relationship with Cerberus in exchange for protection and leaving Shep alone once returned would be great. Come on Mac, don't let us down!


Arg, the more i read posts about redemption#4 the more I want to have it right now!   ...

I also hope it'll be more than just Liara handing the body over. I want it to "show" the connection to Cerberus, I want it to set a path for Liara DLC, i want it to "explain" Liaras feelings in ME2 more, i want it to develop the ShadowBroker to a villain Liara and Shepard can fight together and I want Liara to be happy (although i know this won't happen the way I imagine it.....:crying:).
Seems like i want a lot :D
But what i miss is that the other former squadmates aren't even mentioned. Like the wouldn't care.... ok, i get a little sidetracked. It's a Liara comic.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:39

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GAH! I'm dragging the thread down! Uhhhh..... Uhhhhh........ Wait, I know!



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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:40

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some more classic pic comin right up, and let us stay positive:)

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Yeah but I can't see how that would help TIM. It would just distract Shepard to not know what's going on and why she's so distant.
Then again...it's not happening like you said, because it could actually make sense (despite what I said one sentense ago)...and we can't have that now, can we?


TIM is probably operating on the assumption that when Shepard meets Liara and sees that she is distant, she'll want nothing more to do with Liara and will end the relationship.

We know better, however, and all of our Shepards are forever loyal to Liara and seek to understand her suffering and try to help ease her emotional torment and pain. Something that TIM wasn't banking on, what with him making sure that Shepard was willing to leave all of her old friends behind.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:49

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ratzerman wrote...

GAH! I'm dragging the thread down! Uhhhh..... Uhhhhh........ Wait, I know!


Did she just shoot TIM? Cyber-blue eyes, kinda same hair...

Liara always looks kinda out of place in action scenes in my opinion. :innocent:

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:50

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Ok that would explain Liaras behavior ( not that I think thats the way it is), but how do we explain Sheps behavior? It's like Shep isn't even present in the room, no emotions and no interest to find out way Liara is behaving as she is and what she's been up to the past two years. *I smell ****ty unimaginative and lazy writing!*


LD I think it's BW's contrived way of maintaining the status quo of "Liara is emotionally tormented and guilty, and the relationship seems up unsure" through to Liara's DLC mission and interaction. I believe that during Liara's DLC is when Shepard will finally her emotions switched on, and will then comfort and console Liara, and help ease her pain. If Shepard were able to do that before Liara's DLC were released, then it wouldn't make sense to start the mission with Liara already somewhat at peace. They need Liara to be emotionally tormented and sorrowful heading into her DLC mission, hence Shepard turning into an emotionless statue and not really comforting her. It's incredibly contrived and all around poor planning and writing, but that's the way I think it's going to go.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:50

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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Yeah but I can't see how that would help TIM. It would just distract Shepard to not know what's going on and why she's so distant.
Then again...it's not happening like you said, because it could actually make sense (despite what I said one sentense ago)...and we can't have that now, can we?


TIM is probably operating on the assumption that when Shepard meets Liara and sees that she is distant, she'll want nothing more to do with Liara and will end the relationship.

We know better, however, and all of our Shepards are forever loyal to Liara and seek to understand her suffering and try to help ease her emotional torment and pain. Something that TIM wasn't banking on, what with him making sure that Shepard was willing to leave all of her old friends behind.


I guess you're right. He probably can't understand anyone having feelings for another person and thus can't predict what we'll do or only to a certain extent.
All right...now that we got Liara's behaviour figured out, we only have to figure out why Shep just wants to crack knuckles now instead of comforting Liara ...

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:53

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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Yeah but I can't see how that would help TIM. It would just distract Shepard to not know what's going on and why she's so distant.
Then again...it's not happening like you said, because it could actually make sense (despite what I said one sentense ago)...and we can't have that now, can we?


TIM is probably operating on the assumption that when Shepard meets Liara and sees that she is distant, she'll want nothing more to do with Liara and will end the relationship.

We know better, however, and all of our Shepards are forever loyal to Liara and seek to understand her suffering and try to help ease her emotional torment and pain. Something that TIM wasn't banking on, what with him making sure that Shepard was willing to leave all of her old friends behind.


There you have a perfect example om bad and lazy writing in my opinion. We can't even question Liara on anything or try to get past her walls. I bet if Shepard pushed Liara would crack and she would tell us whats going on. If you love someone you don't just walk away, the whole reunion with the ME1 LI's is so badly handled it's frightening.

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Systemlord Baal wrote...


All right...now that we got Liara's behaviour figured out, we only have to figure out why Shep just wants to crack knuckles now instead of comforting Liara ...


Already got that covered. ^^ :P

But yeah, I do think that Redemption did throw a large spanner in the works with regards to what BW could do with the Liara reunion in the retail version of the game. In order to avoid Redemption spoilers, they've had to slap together a really shoddy reunion scene and interaction with Liara. It's incredibly frustrating, and you can practically see the choices on the dialogue wheel that should be there to comfort Liara, but we'll have to wait until her DLC in order to comfort the BBG.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:56

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Jarcander wrote...

Did she just shoot TIM? Cyber-blue eyes, kinda same hair...
Liara always looks kinda out of place in action scenes in my opinion. :innocent:


Yeah, that's TIM's head stuck on a henchman's body.  Wishful thinking on my part, although maybe we'll be lucky enough to see that scene for real in ME3.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:00

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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Ok that would explain Liaras behavior ( not that I think thats the way it is), but how do we explain Sheps behavior? It's like Shep isn't even present in the room, no emotions and no interest to find out way Liara is behaving as she is and what she's been up to the past two years. *I smell ****ty unimaginative and lazy writing!*


LD I think it's BW's contrived way of maintaining the status quo of "Liara is emotionally tormented and guilty, and the relationship seems up unsure" through to Liara's DLC mission and interaction. I believe that during Liara's DLC is when Shepard will finally her emotions switched on, and will then comfort and console Liara, and help ease her pain. If Shepard were able to do that before Liara's DLC were released, then it wouldn't make sense to start the mission with Liara already somewhat at peace. They need Liara to be emotionally tormented and sorrowful heading into her DLC mission, hence Shepard turning into an emotionless statue and not really comforting her. It's incredibly contrived and all around poor planning and writing, but that's the way I think it's going to go.


****ty unimaginative and lazy writing.... oh wait I said that ones already. Nothing makes seans and I absulutly don't see any reson to way she has to be emotionally tormented and sorrowful for the DLC's sake.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:00

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What's really worrying me is that I'll be amazed if Liara is NOT killable at some point in ME3. :(



I know, I know, I shouldn't talk like that, but hear me out. It's the last game in the trilogy, the whole Reaper story is probably coming to a close and hence all of these characters' story arcs are probably finishing too. Which is why it won't be necessary to keep them alive for the end of ME3.



I also think the rest of the unkillable characters will probably be able to die in ME3, ie Joker, Anderson, Udina, TIM, Hackett.



My only worry is trying to avoid any video or picture of Liara dying or dead. I don't think I ever want to see that, EVER. ;_;

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:02

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ratzerman wrote...

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Did she just shoot TIM? Cyber-blue eyes, kinda same hair...
Liara always looks kinda out of place in action scenes in my opinion. :innocent:


Yeah, that's TIM's head stuck on a henchman's body.  Wishful thinking on my part, although maybe we'll be lucky enough to see that scene for real in ME3.


Nice cut & paste job. B) While TIM is not the friendliest person around, I wish he would survive, because he is rather interesting character.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:03

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@ Les..... that's funny, I wrote almost the exact same thing in the group last night.  We think very much alike, my friend.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:05

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What's really worrying me is that I'll be amazed if Liara is NOT killable at some point in ME3. :(

I know, I know, I shouldn't talk like that, but hear me out. It's the last game in the trilogy, the whole Reaper story is probably coming to a close and hence all of these characters' story arcs are probably finishing too. Which is why it won't be necessary to keep them alive for the end of ME3.

I also think the rest of the unkillable characters will probably be able to die in ME3, ie Joker, Anderson, Udina, TIM, Hackett.

My only worry is trying to avoid any video or picture of Liara dying or dead. I don't think I ever want to see that, EVER. ;_;


Pictures will be hard to avoid, if she does happen to be killable in ME3, expect every forum tool to post them. Videos are easy to avoid though, you'd have to click a link. I really wish these forums had an ignore feature, it would make filtering them out so much easier so we could avoid it much better.

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ratzerman wrote...

@ Les..... that's funny, I wrote almost the exact same thing in the group last night.  We think very much alike, my friend.
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Great minds and all that! :P

Plus, we just want the best for our beloved Liara!

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:06

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ratzerman wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

Did she just shoot TIM? Cyber-blue eyes, kinda same hair...
Liara always looks kinda out of place in action scenes in my opinion. :innocent:


Yeah, that's TIM's head stuck on a henchman's body.  Wishful thinking on my part, although maybe we'll be lucky enough to see that scene for real in ME3.


Imagining that scene is just great.

"Hello TIM", said Shepard slowly "guess I don't have to introduce my friend here."
Liaras biotic punch.
"Now, that's clarified". told Shepard while looking deep in Liaras eyes. "by the way. Do you like chinese food, liara? I know a good restaurant on the citadel..."
Happy End.:whistle:

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:08

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Waiting for Liara DLC is hard because we just want to comfort her!
At least we know it is coming and that is will be emotional and romantic. It makes me so sad to see Liara sad, at least when the Liara DLC comes out and we play the beginning of ME2, we know that we will be able to properly come back to Liara two years later and say, "I love you"
Cause Liara did not deserve marketing hacking her emotional reunion scene to bits. I'm sure Shepard just wants to say, "I love you" to her love as well.

I  wonder how the events of the DLC are going to play out in ME3? We would almost have to kill the SB in DLC because it might be hard for BioWare to properly have all of our choices from DLC make sense in ME3. If BioWare really wanted to, they could just have the SB get away no matter what and have him as a villain for ME3, so everyone who didn't get the DLC will have him as a villain as well.
All that really matters in the DLC is that we can comfort Liara and help her get past her negative emotions, I can't wait to see her in her beautiful blue colour once again! :wub:<3:wub:
Shepard will finally be able to let her emotions for Liara out.
I'm am sure that Shepard telling Liara how much she loves in beautiful ways will definitely help Liara realise that revenge is not the answer and Liara will not continue her revenge for the SB.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:10

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I hope they go through with the romance pack. They already stated they were considering it, and it would help out a lot I think.

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****ty unimaginative and lazy writing.... oh wait I said that ones already. Nothing makes seans and I absulutly don't see any reson to way she has to be emotionally tormented and sorrowful for the DLC's sake.


Like I said LD, it's probably because they want all of the emotional scenes of Liara opening up, letting her emotions go and putting her heart on the line to be contained within the DLC. They want Shepard to comfort Liara there, as it gives real substance and emotion to Liara's mission and the content and interaction with Shepard.

It's just incredibly lazy and contrived in the way they've gone about things in the vanilla game. You want to maintain the status quo of Liara being sad and tormented and the pair of them not knowing where the other stands in regards to their relationship? Fine. But don't insult our intelligence with the crap way they've gone about things in the game. Give us a half decent reason as to why Shepard can't comfort Liara properly, don't just have Shepard sit there like an emotionless moron.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:18

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TIM is probably operating on
the assumption that when Shepard meets Liara and sees that she is
distant, she'll want nothing more to do with Liara and will end the
relationship.


You assume Shepard romanced Liara. 
The ending to Redemption cannot be meaningful to the Liara romance in
anyway since the comic is supposed to be 'romance neutral'.  It will be just as Ratz suggested.



LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

@ Les..... that's funny, I wrote almost the exact same thing in the group last night.  We think very much alike, my friend.
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Great minds and all that! :P

Plus, we just want the best for our beloved Liara!


What are you two talking about?  The 'killing Liara' thing?

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You assume Shepard romanced Liara. 
The ending to Redemption cannot be meaningful to the Liara romance in
anyway since the comic is supposed to be 'romance neutral'.  It will be just as Ratz suggested.


I didn't mean "relationship" in terms of being necessarily romantic. It could be a relationship in terms of being teammates or comrades. A non-LI Shepard will still ask Liara to join up as she's useful in the fight against the Collectors. When Liara acts distant, TIM would hope a non-LI Shepard would just shrug shoulders and leave Liara to it. I still hold onto the belief that Liara loves Shepard even if it isn't reciprocated, and Liara would still act out of love for Shepard regardless.



What are you two talking about?  The 'killing Liara' thing?


Yep. I posted almost the exact same thoughts ratz did a few days ago.

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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 02:29

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yep. I posted almost the exact same thoughts ratz did a few days ago.


Liara will be killable or people will whine and call her a 'Mary Sue'.  :innocent:

It will be impossible to avoid pictures of it unless you avoid these forums.

Modifié par jlb524, 31 mars 2010 - 02:30 .

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jlb524 wrote...
Liara will be killable or people will whine and call her a 'Mary Sue'.  :innocent:

It will be impossible to avoid pictures of it unless you avoid these forums.


I think that once ME3 is released all of us will need to get the hell out of here! Perhaps create our own Liara forum? Heh.:D
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