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[revan11exile]

Say guys do you think Liara will be pissed if we saved the Collectors Base?

[JaylaClark]

@Noxis

.... heeeey! ... My Sheps do that 'Renegade jerk thing' anyway, just because three lives against another million down the line makes sense. (They then Paragon the rest of the conversation... and pretty much sound like good soldiers.)

Modifié par JaylaClark, 31 mars 2010 - 06:33 .

[Noxis6]

JaylaClark wrote...

@Noxis

.... heeeey! ... My Sheps do that 'Renegade jerk thing' anyway, just because three lives against another million down the line makes sense. (They then Paragon the rest of the conversation... and pretty much sound like good soldiers.)

Frankly by that time you have already saved the milions of lives by disabling the three torches,the last choice is just save three innocents or have your way with Balak.

[JaylaClark]

Yeah, but a guy who tries to kill a million people at once ... I think he's gonna try again. And I might not be around next time. Then again, I'm a Paragade, that could be it...

[Noxis6]

JaylaClark wrote...

Yeah, but a guy who tries to kill a million people at once ... I think he's gonna try again. And I might not be around next time. Then again, I'm a Paragade, that could be it...

Dont know,the news report  for the paragon mentions hes still running around but that could mean everything,in any case you basicly killed of his followers,so its in question if Balak could do another operation of this scale again,but then again theres not enough insight into how his organisation works.
Actually I always thought that N7 mission with the Batarians and the rockets would have been a good place to finish this loose end,they just had to name the Commander at the end in the paragons case.

[Marcin K]

Noxis6 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Yeah, but a guy who tries to kill a million people at once ... I think he's gonna try again. And I might not be around next time. Then again, I'm a Paragade, that could be it...

Dont know,the news report  for the paragon mentions hes still running around but that could mean everything,in any case you basicly killed of his followers,so its in question if Balak could do another operation of this scale again,but then again theres not enough insight into how his organisation works.
Actually I always thought that N7 mission with the Batarians and the rockets would have been a good place to finish this loose end,they just had to name the Commander at the end in the paragons case.

rockets?
this way:

is waaay much better, :happy: and it's done by lovely Liara:wub:
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Modifié par Marcin R, 31 mars 2010 - 07:04 .

[Maria Caliban]

revan11exile wrote...

Say guys do you think Liara will be pissed if we saved the Collectors Base?

No. I don't think she'd want people to use Reaper technology, especially not a human-centric group like Cerberus.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I always let Balak go, and save the innocent civilians. Liara would very much disprove if I let innocent people die just to take out one evil guy, despite the fact that none of your squadmates talk in BDtS!

Nah, but for me saving the lives of innocents is paramount. I could never justify letting them die in favour of killing Balak. So he's dead, so what? You've still got blood on your heads from willingly sacrificing the lives of the hostages.

I agree. I actually like BdtS very much, and I almost always let Balak go too.

[ratzerman]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I always let Balak go, and save the innocent civilians. Liara would very much disprove if I let innocent people die just to take out one evil guy, despite the fact that none of your squadmates talk in BDtS!

I always let Balak go too.  My Shepard's top priority has always been saving lives, and doing what's morally right.  Sometimes that means letting a terrorist go, sometimes that means blowing up the greatest weapon Earth might ever have against the Reapers.  She follows her heart, and it's never steered her wrong.  It steered her to Liara, after all.


EDIT: Hi Maria!

Modifié par ratzerman, 31 mars 2010 - 07:23 .

[scmadsen]

Hey all, thought I'd reply to some of the topics that were discussed today.

About Liara's "new" "personality", I think we've pretty well gotten a handle on why she acts the way she does. As to her reaction to Shepard, well...I would be surprised at this point, if it's anything other then what we have all come up with. That Cerberus told Liara she isn't allowed to distract Shepard from the mission, or be involved romantically again. This would explain things easily, and with the state Liara was in at the time, she thought Shepard would hate her away, so she played right into what TIM wanted. If they don't do this, then it's just bad writing.

As for how Shepard reacts. I made a rather long post on this to try and explain it, people liked it, so it's worth looking up. It might be like 20 pages back by now. In short, Shepard didn't want to hurt Liara anymore then she was hurt already, so left without a big reunion to save her the pain, if Shepard doesn't come back from the mission.

The only clue we are given into Asari burials, is the ad on the Citadel. An Asari talks to Shepard and says something like; so you recently died Commander Shepard, shouldn't your body be given the respect it deserves, then order one of our fine handcrafted Asari burial robes. I'd have to look it up or go find it in game, but that's pretty close. Anyway, it's not much, but it shows the Asari have some kind of ceremony and treat the body with respect.

As for Liara and her mother. Well, This can be explained a couple of ways. For one, Liara knows the mission is important, and she can come back later. Or, the base was nuked and there wasn't a body left. Or, Liara knew the cleanup crew that would be sent into the base, would find her mother, and things would be taken care. She could go to her mother's grave after the mission was over.

We might very well have to make a choice to save Liara or she dies. For one, everyone else has been able to die now, so they might make Liara able to die in ME3. The most they can do, is make it be choice, like Ashley and Kaidan. I would really hate BioWare if they just kill her off, and not let us be able to save her somehow. Sadly, we might even have to save her twice. BioWare might be planning to make us have a choice, between saving something or our some of our crew, and saving our LI. So we might have to save Liara because she couldn't die till point, and then save her again, because she is our LI.

As for a Liara DLC, aslong as it fix things between Liara and Shepard, and they get to really talk and work things out, ending with Liara being back on the Normandy in Shepard's cabin, that's enough. I wouldn't care if the combat was short, and really all we did in it was kill the Shadow Broker. It would be nice if it was stretched out, and we hunted down the SB together with Liara, then find and kill him. All the while talking between missions and during them at some points.

As to how Liara tracked down Shepard's body. I see it as happening as follows. The ships arrive to pickup the lifepods, and Liara asks immediately if they picked up Shepard or not, being told they didn't find the body or Shepard alive. Liara would demand they look, and they would make up some excuse as to not being able to. This would upset her, and she'd be sad/angry as they leave the area.

She would then track down some Alliance Admiral at whatever base they showed up at, and again, she'd be turned down, when demanding they go back and look for Shepard. I'd see Liara being really upset again, unable to understand why the Alliance doesn't care. She'd then most likely go to Anderson, who would tell her his hands are tied. I could see Liara yelling at him and saying she thought he and Shepard were friends, before storming out.

Now ironically I could see Liara turning to the Shadow Broker, to get information on the whole thing, this perhaps tipped him off about Shepard. The Shadow Broker then searches for the body while sending Liara on a wild goose chase.

At some point, either Anderson or TIM, most likely TIM, gets news about the SB finding the body and tips off Liara, who they know is also looking, and has a personal reason to find Shepard. They would use her for their dirty work, knowing she wouldn't stop and wouldn't back down, and would take on the SB for Shepard's body. This leads to that drell contacting Liara.

As for Liara and Shepard having kids. I don't care how they handle it. Showing Liara, Shepard, and some daughters playing together, or just showing Liara with a bump. As long as something is shown to atleast hint at it. I'd be happy.

Modifié par scmadsen, 31 mars 2010 - 07:30 .

[UFOash]

Somebody1003 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I always let Balak go, and save the innocent civilians. Liara would very much disprove if I let innocent people die just to take out one evil guy, despite the fact that none of your squadmates talk in BDtS!

I always let Balak go too.  My Shepard's top priority has always been saving lives, and doing what's morally right.  Sometimes that means letting a terrorist go, sometimes that means blowing up the greatest weapon Earth might ever have against the Reapers.  She follows her heart, and it's never steered her wrong.  It steered her to Liara, after all.


EDIT: Hi Maria!

Whats btds?

And I myself let Balak go as well, I would feel bad letting that girl die when she risked her life just to save the colony, and even had to be there when her brother was shot dead.

Bring Down the Sky I think .

I've only done BDtS once & I killed Balak.
I wasn't trying to be Renagade I just thought he deserved to die.
Always why are there no Batarian sympathetic lines in BDtS?
I felt sorry for them, they had every right to be pissed at the Alliance.

Modifié par UFOash, 31 mars 2010 - 07:32 .

[UFOash]

Somebody1003 wrote...

UFOash wrote...

I've only done BDtS once & I killed Balak.
I wasn't trying to be Renagade I just thought he deserved to die.
Always why are there no Batarian sympathetic lines in BDtS?
I felt sorry for them, they had every right to be pissed at the Alliance.

Not really, they did have a reason to be mad but that doesnt mean they should become terrorists and blow up innocent human colonies.

Well thats never completely justified.
But bear in mind that the Batarians lost a huge amount of land because the Alliance stole it.

Is it just me or is the Batarian/Alliance thing kinda like the Soviet/American thing in the Cold War?

[UFOash]

Relevant?

[Noxis6]

The Cold war analogy is not that bad regarding Alliance/Batarian relations they seem not to be at war with each other at least officially yet they have their share of battles behind the scene or through hiring others to fight it for them

[UFOash]

Littledoom wrote...

UFOash wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

UFOash wrote...

I've only done BDtS once & I killed Balak.
I wasn't trying to be Renagade I just thought he deserved to die.
Always why are there no Batarian sympathetic lines in BDtS?
I felt sorry for them, they had every right to be pissed at the Alliance.

Not really, they did have a reason to be mad but that doesnt mean they should become terrorists and blow up innocent human colonies.

Well thats never completely justified.
But bear in mind that the Batarians lost a huge amount of land because the Alliance stole it.

Is it just me or is the Batarian/Alliance thing kinda like the Soviet/American thing in the Cold War?

The Alliance was granted colonization right by the Council, they didn't steal anything.

Thats Niave.
If you've ever played ME1 you'll know that The Council can be (& commonly is) wrong & immoral besides they didn't give them rights to colonize the areas claimed by Batarians they just said that the Humans had as much right to build on them as Batarians.
Besides the Councils codex entry states that The Council has no actual power of individual governments.

I completely understand the Batarians point of view, & they resort to Terrorism because there government won't/can't fight the Alliance conventionally.