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[jlb524]

scmadsen wrote...

As for a Liara DLC, aslong as it fix things between Liara and Shepard, and they get to really talk and work things out, ending with Liara being back on the Normandy in Shepard's cabin, that's enough. I wouldn't care if the combat was short, and really all we did in it was kill the Shadow Broker. It would be nice if it was stretched out, and we hunted down the SB together with Liara, then find and kill him. All the while talking between missions and during them at some points.

How would they implement this differently if Liara wasn't Shepard's LI or if Shepard has taken another LI in ME2?

[scmadsen]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I love reading your thoughts on Liara, scmadsen. They're very insightful.

Regarding Shepard and Liara becoming bondmates and having children, I really hope that if you're of the Spacer background that you take Liara to go meet Hannah. I'd love to see her reaction, and how nervous and shy Liara would be to meet Shepard's mother. Would be so cute!

Thanks.

Now, my twisted mind a really scary thought...what if they made Spacer Shepards pick between saving the ship Hannah is on, or saving Liara...wow, that would suck. We haven't really been given the chance to become close to that character, but you'd think Liara would think badly of Shepard.

Anyway, I would love to have Liara and Hannah meet, my main background is spacer. It would really cute to see Liara being all shy about meeting Shepard's mother. I would like to think Hannah would be shocked at first, but then grow to like Liara. I think she'd mostly just be happy that Shepard was in love and happy. If female, a cute line would be something like; "This isn't how I expected to have grandchildren, but I'm glad you're happy."

[UFOash]

Somebody1003 wrote...

UFOash wrote...

Thats Niave.
If you've ever played ME1 you'll know that The Council can be (& commonly is) wrong & immoral besides they didn't give them rights to colonize the areas claimed by Batarians they just said that the Humans had as much right to build on them as Batarians.
Besides the Councils codex entry states that The Council has no actual power of individual governments.

I completely understand the Batarians point of view, & they resort to Terrorism because there government won't/can't fight the Alliance conventionally.

They had equal opportunity however, to colonize, while the Alliance should have been a bit more reasonable with the batarians it doesnt justify them hitting colonies and taking humans and selling them as slaves.

Or trying to send an asteroid into a human colony with millions of people on it.

The slave thing seems to be part of Batarian culture, we find it immoral but remember that Humans used to have a slave trade too, & that went on a long time with no complaints.

I guess the Batarians should have built on "their" worlds but maybe they just didn't have the resources.
Its clear that Batarians aren't as rich as the Alliance.

The Batarian military lost few lives to the Alliance but many Batarianas fighting for their race would have joined slaver/mercenary bands so they could actually fight rather than intimidate.
So from that point of view alot of Batarians lost their lives against the Alliance.
& if they've been fighting the Alliance unconventionally for decades they will be used to it by now & it will be they're main tactic for actively damaging The Alliance.

Modifié par UFOash, 31 mars 2010 - 08:02 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Ok, I'm going to ask a question but before I do I want you to know that I am not trolling and that I mean no offense to any of you for your liking Liara as a LI. I'm just curious to know something about your thought processes regarding Liara. In context, I romance Tali and similar things can be said about her as a romance. I'm not a die hard tali fan, I don't write fan fiction about her and I don't post regularly in the Tali thread. I'm a relatively level headed fan of her.



Ok, and now to the question. What do you all see in Liara? I romanced her in ME1 because I liked her better than the xenophobic ashley (Who never gets over her hate for aliens). In all my conversations with Liara including the dialog on Therum and after several missions she always cama across as a very young (read 13 year old) girl who was completely ignorant about any and all romance and it seemed as if she had a crush on Shepard and shepard took it from crush to sex. That disturbs me a little, but I suppose you guys didn't read it that way. I always felt like I was taking advantage of her because of how she came across to me. What about your perception of her is different from mine? Do you not see her as young and impressionable? I understand that she is more than Three times shepard's age but that doesn't affect how she comes across. Maybe it is just her innocent personality that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is the fainting, the weakness.



I don't create a new thread because then I wouldn't hear from all the fans, I would hear from people that agree with me, which is not what I want. Please take me seriously, I don't intend to offend, I'm just curious.

[JamieCOTC]

jlb524 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

As for a Liara DLC, aslong as it fix things between Liara and Shepard, and they get to really talk and work things out, ending with Liara being back on the Normandy in Shepard's cabin, that's enough. I wouldn't care if the combat was short, and really all we did in it was kill the Shadow Broker. It would be nice if it was stretched out, and we hunted down the SB together with Liara, then find and kill him. All the while talking between missions and during them at some points.

How would they implement this differently if Liara wasn't Shepard's LI or if Shepard has taken another LI in ME2?

Don't think this will happen, but I could see Liara getting Miranda's office in ME3.  It does have a bed in it.  Would have to sweep the place for bugs first.  Also, could put Miranda on Port Observation deck w/ the lounge that will come w/ Kasumi DLC.  Miranda can drink herself into oblivion on how wrong she was about TIM. Ha! 

[scmadsen]

jlb524 wrote...

How would they implement this differently if Liara wasn't Shepard's LI or if Shepard has taken another LI in ME2?

I would think you'd still talk with Liara and help her get over what happened, but more as a friend, like you did with Tali, if you were femshep. Perhaps Liara can hint/or just outright tell, to non-romanced Shepards that she has feelings for Shepard, and always has, like Tali opened up to having.

The mission might end, with Liara going back to Illium to packup and settle some things. A romanced Liara from the first game, at this point, wouldn't care about anything but being with Shepard. A non-romanced Liara would be leaving to give Shepard something to think about...that Shepard could then breakup with their LI and get with Liara in ME3 if they wanted, but they have to do a mission to get Liara back on the Normandy. LI from ME1, and faithful, would have Liara from the start.

As for someone that cheated/was unfaithful...Liara would learn about it, and it might be left to hang in the air, she'd be at a point that it would be so upsetting, she couldn't talk about it till ME3, and thus leave it for that...she'd just tell Shepard she can't handle this right now, and go back to Illium, telling Shepard she needs to be alone to think. Then in ME3, they have to do the same mission as someone that didn't romance her, to get her on the squad...and I would hope, ends with Liara not wanting to come, but she says she'll just help out some other way. I hope that those that cheated, pay for it somehow, like losing Liara.

Modifié par scmadsen, 31 mars 2010 - 08:09 .

[UFOash]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask a question but before I do I want you to know that I am not trolling and that I mean no offense to any of you for your liking Liara as a LI. I'm just curious to know something about your thought processes regarding Liara. In context, I romance Tali and similar things can be said about her as a romance. I'm not a die hard tali fan, I don't write fan fiction about her and I don't post regularly in the Tali thread. I'm a relatively level headed fan of her.

Ok, and now to the question. What do you all see in Liara? I romanced her in ME1 because I liked her better than the xenophobic ashley (Who never gets over her hate for aliens). In all my conversations with Liara including the dialog on Therum and after several missions she always cama across as a very young (read 13 year old) girl who was completely ignorant about any and all romance and it seemed as if she had a crush on Shepard and shepard took it from crush to sex. That disturbs me a little, but I suppose you guys didn't read it that way. I always felt like I was taking advantage of her because of how she came across to me. What about your perception of her is different from mine? Do you not see her as young and impressionable? I understand that she is more than Three times shepard's age but that doesn't affect how she comes across. Maybe it is just her innocent personality that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is the fainting, the weakness.

I don't create a new thread because then I wouldn't hear from all the fans, I would hear from people that agree with me, which is not what I want. Please take me seriously, I don't intend to offend, I'm just curious.

I get your point she did seem really ignorant in ME1.
This is amplified in the possible romance confrontation in ME1.
Ashleys snapping at Liara constantly & she seems not to notice .

Its cute but it messes up ME2, suddenly after 2 years shes changed into a physcopathic cold-blooded murderer.

Modifié par UFOash, 31 mars 2010 - 08:09 .

[GuardianAngel470]

UFOash wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask a question but before I do I want you to know that I am not trolling and that I mean no offense to any of you for your liking Liara as a LI. I'm just curious to know something about your thought processes regarding Liara. In context, I romance Tali and similar things can be said about her as a romance. I'm not a die hard tali fan, I don't write fan fiction about her and I don't post regularly in the Tali thread. I'm a relatively level headed fan of her.

Ok, and now to the question. What do you all see in Liara? I romanced her in ME1 because I liked her better than the xenophobic ashley (Who never gets over her hate for aliens). In all my conversations with Liara including the dialog on Therum and after several missions she always cama across as a very young (read 13 year old) girl who was completely ignorant about any and all romance and it seemed as if she had a crush on Shepard and shepard took it from crush to sex. That disturbs me a little, but I suppose you guys didn't read it that way. I always felt like I was taking advantage of her because of how she came across to me. What about your perception of her is different from mine? Do you not see her as young and impressionable? I understand that she is more than Three times shepard's age but that doesn't affect how she comes across. Maybe it is just her innocent personality that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is the fainting, the weakness.

I don't create a new thread because then I wouldn't hear from all the fans, I would hear from people that agree with me, which is not what I want. Please take me seriously, I don't intend to offend, I'm just curious.

I get your point she did seem really ignorant in ME1.
This is amplified in the possible romance confrontation in ME1.
Ashleys snapping at Liara constantly & she seems not to notice .

Its cute but it messes up ME2, suddenly after 2 years shes changed into a physcopathic col-blooded murderer.

I'm not trying to make a point, I'm trying to learn what others see in her.  What do you see in her?

[Asheer_Khan]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask a question but before I do I want you to know that I am not trolling and that I mean no offense to any of you for your liking Liara as a LI. I'm just curious to know something about your thought processes regarding Liara. In context, I romance Tali and similar things can be said about her as a romance. I'm not a die hard tali fan, I don't write fan fiction about her and I don't post regularly in the Tali thread. I'm a relatively level headed fan of her.

Ok, and now to the question. What do you all see in Liara? I romanced her in ME1 because I liked her better than the xenophobic ashley (Who never gets over her hate for aliens). In all my conversations with Liara including the dialog on Therum and after several missions she always cama across as a very young (read 13 year old) girl who was completely ignorant about any and all romance and it seemed as if she had a crush on Shepard and shepard took it from crush to sex. That disturbs me a little, but I suppose you guys didn't read it that way. I always felt like I was taking advantage of her because of how she came across to me. What about your perception of her is different from mine? Do you not see her as young and impressionable? I understand that she is more than Three times shepard's age but that doesn't affect how she comes across. Maybe it is just her innocent personality that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is the fainting, the weakness.

I don't create a new thread because then I wouldn't hear from all the fans, I would hear from people that agree with me, which is not what I want. Please take me seriously, I don't intend to offend, I'm just curious.

Hmmm... god question for honestly i am pesonally still looking for answer myself .
Maybe fact that she never have real family?
From conversation whit her i noticed that her childhood was far from perfect and that's why she embark her archelogic adventure in such young for Asari age (50), so first impression for my shepard to be just a big sis fellings for her (as sae as for Tali and Ash (i managed to turn her to the light side;))) but then... stupid cupid drop on board of Normandy and no shields or mass effect field were able to stop his fatal arrow .
So from that point heart of my Shep belong to Lili:wub: for whatever good and bad will happened^_^<3^_^.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 31 mars 2010 - 08:11 .

[UFOash]

Cartims wrote...

UFOash wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask a question but before I do I want you to know that I am not trolling and that I mean no offense to any of you for your liking Liara as a LI. I'm just curious to know something about your thought processes regarding Liara. In context, I romance Tali and similar things can be said about her as a romance. I'm not a die hard tali fan, I don't write fan fiction about her and I don't post regularly in the Tali thread. I'm a relatively level headed fan of her.

Ok, and now to the question. What do you all see in Liara? I romanced her in ME1 because I liked her better than the xenophobic ashley (Who never gets over her hate for aliens). In all my conversations with Liara including the dialog on Therum and after several missions she always cama across as a very young (read 13 year old) girl who was completely ignorant about any and all romance and it seemed as if she had a crush on Shepard and shepard took it from crush to sex. That disturbs me a little, but I suppose you guys didn't read it that way. I always felt like I was taking advantage of her because of how she came across to me. What about your perception of her is different from mine? Do you not see her as young and impressionable? I understand that she is more than Three times shepard's age but that doesn't affect how she comes across. Maybe it is just her innocent personality that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is the fainting, the weakness.

I don't create a new thread because then I wouldn't hear from all the fans, I would hear from people that agree with me, which is not what I want. Please take me seriously, I don't intend to offend, I'm just curious.

I get your point she did seem really ignorant in ME1.
This is amplified in the possible romance confrontation in ME1.
Ashleys snapping at Liara constantly & she seems not to notice .

Its cute but it messes up ME2, suddenly after 2 years shes changed into a physcopathic col-blooded murderer.

suddenly is NOT 2 years.......

It is when you live for 1000 years!

@ Guardian, I actually made a similar point either yesterday or the day before but I think you put it into better words than I did.

[scmadsen]

JamieCOTC wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

As for a Liara DLC, aslong as it fix things between Liara and Shepard, and they get to really talk and work things out, ending with Liara being back on the Normandy in Shepard's cabin, that's enough. I wouldn't care if the combat was short, and really all we did in it was kill the Shadow Broker. It would be nice if it was stretched out, and we hunted down the SB together with Liara, then find and kill him. All the while talking between missions and during them at some points.

How would they implement this differently if Liara wasn't Shepard's LI or if Shepard has taken another LI in ME2?

Don't think this will happen, but I could see Liara getting Miranda's office in ME3.  It does have a bed in it.  Would have to sweep the place for bugs first.  Also, could put Miranda on Port Observation deck w/ the lounge that will come w/ Kasumi DLC.  Miranda can drink herself into oblivion on how wrong she was about TIM. Ha! 

I really hope LI Liara shows up in Shepard's cabin, that's what I want. It's a really easy thing for them to do, to show Liara and Shepard are together. Same can be said for Ashley and Kaidan, I want their fans to get this too. A small reward for being faithful.

As to where a non-romanced ME1 Liara, Ashley, Kaidan...will go...I'm not really sure yet...we have to see how they handle the new crew and the Cerberus people...how many of them leave, and what rooms are empty.

[Shadowcat101]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask a question but before I do I want you to know that I am not trolling and that I mean no offense to any of you for your liking Liara as a LI. I'm just curious to know something about your thought processes regarding Liara. In context, I romance Tali and similar things can be said about her as a romance. I'm not a die hard tali fan, I don't write fan fiction about her and I don't post regularly in the Tali thread. I'm a relatively level headed fan of her.

Ok, and now to the question. What do you all see in Liara? I romanced her in ME1 because I liked her better than the xenophobic ashley (Who never gets over her hate for aliens). In all my conversations with Liara including the dialog on Therum and after several missions she always cama across as a very young (read 13 year old) girl who was completely ignorant about any and all romance and it seemed as if she had a crush on Shepard and shepard took it from crush to sex. That disturbs me a little, but I suppose you guys didn't read it that way. I always felt like I was taking advantage of her because of how she came across to me. What about your perception of her is different from mine? Do you not see her as young and impressionable? I understand that she is more than Three times shepard's age but that doesn't affect how she comes across. Maybe it is just her innocent personality that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is the fainting, the weakness.

I don't create a new thread because then I wouldn't hear from all the fans, I would hear from people that agree with me, which is not what I want. Please take me seriously, I don't intend to offend, I'm just curious.

I’m sure different people here have different reasons for liking Liara as a LI, so I can only talk about mine. You asked “What do you all see in Liara?”
 
 In truth, I see myself in her a bit. Because of this it’s an instant attraction. No I’m not all over myself like some of you may be thinking. I can see where she is coming from and how she must feel. So for her to win me over as my Number 1 LI is easy for her. That and I personally think she is attractive, intelligent and honest. Things I like in any person. And the fact she can be a bit naïve, I find that funny and cute.
 
Like I said, different strokes for different folks. BioWare did a good job at trying to cover all the bases.    

[UFOash]

Somebody1003 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I'm not trying to make a point, I'm trying to learn what others see in her.  What do you see in her?

I think hes more of a Talimancer.

He just visits here now and then.

Well not nessasarily.
I romanced Liara in my first playthrough & I stayed with her ME2.

I cba with the Tali thread no more its always off topic & I always get flamed to death

Modifié par UFOash, 31 mars 2010 - 08:17 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Somebody1003 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I'm not trying to make a point, I'm trying to learn what others see in her.  What do you see in her?

I think hes more of a Talimancer.

He just visits here now and then.

You don't need to think, if you had read the whole post I tell you that I romance Tali.  No need to speculate, I already told you what I do.  And I have an honest question about your opinions on Liara, are you going to answer me or not?

[UFOash]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I'm not trying to make a point, I'm trying to learn what others see in her.  What do you see in her?

I think hes more of a Talimancer.

He just visits here now and then.

You don't need to think, if you had read the whole post I tell you that I romance Tali.  No need to speculate, I already told you what I do.  And I have an honest question about your opinions on Liara, are you going to answer me or not?

Lol I thought he was talking about me

[Blansten]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ok, I'm going to ask a question but before I do I want you to know that I am not trolling and that I mean no offense to any of you for your liking Liara as a LI. I'm just curious to know something about your thought processes regarding Liara. In context, I romance Tali and similar things can be said about her as a romance. I'm not a die hard tali fan, I don't write fan fiction about her and I don't post regularly in the Tali thread. I'm a relatively level headed fan of her.

Ok, and now to the question. What do you all see in Liara? I romanced her in ME1 because I liked her better than the xenophobic ashley (Who never gets over her hate for aliens). In all my conversations with Liara including the dialog on Therum and after several missions she always cama across as a very young (read 13 year old) girl who was completely ignorant about any and all romance and it seemed as if she had a crush on Shepard and shepard took it from crush to sex. That disturbs me a little, but I suppose you guys didn't read it that way. I always felt like I was taking advantage of her because of how she came across to me. What about your perception of her is different from mine? Do you not see her as young and impressionable? I understand that she is more than Three times shepard's age but that doesn't affect how she comes across. Maybe it is just her innocent personality that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is the fainting, the weakness.

I don't create a new thread because then I wouldn't hear from all the fans, I would hear from people that agree with me, which is not what I want. Please take me seriously, I don't intend to offend, I'm just curious.

I'll give it a go.

To me she came across as very intelligent but very sheltered and in many ways naive. I did not interpret this as her being at the maturity level of a 13 year old however. If you have ever seen the modern remake of The Mummy then I would say that she very much reminds me of an Asari version of Evie (The Rachel Weisz character)

As for the fainting, I always felt there was good reason for that

First time she had been without food/water amd possibly sleep for a while
Second time she had just melded and absorbed a rush of information (That rush of information knocked Shep out)

She kicks butt in a fight and was a great squad mate. I respect the fact that she chose to ignore Ash's barbs.

Hope that helps