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[Unata]

What I find sad is after ME1 came out I ran 12 characters, 8 female of assorted classes (all Liara)

and 4 male types, they been sitting here for about 2 years, ME2 comes out and I find myself making more and more of ME1 characters just to see, talk, enjoy Liara's company, ME2 left me so ....blank *sigh*



I now have over 37 characters, 26 gone on to ME2, some kinda still wandering around in ME2 lost, some finished (about a 3rd), but I keep going back to ME1, simply to enjoy the company of Liara and have no real desire to finish anymore ME2.



ME2 is an ok game I suppose, just alot of it boggles the mind leaving you wonder what drugs the creators are on.

[screwoffreg]

Well, the developers have hinted repeatedly that we shouldn't assume an important character is necessarily a squad member. We know in Wrex's case, he is likely going to be critical in uniting the Krogan to fight the Reapers. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Liara became a critical NPC of some kind.
 
A lot of epics have a team break up for dramatic effect.  Look at Lord of the Rings.  Just because Frodo and Sam didn't have Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli/etc etc around didn't mean the latter were not important.  They had their own critical roles to play.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 01 avril 2010 - 05:48 .

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, comics are by necessity rather rushed plot wise.

As for the matron theory of Liara, that really starts to make a lot of sense. We know turning into a matron marks a tremendous change physically, emotionally, and hormonally. If Liara is "maturing", her feelings may be towards settling down and establishing herself. That may be why being the Shadow Broker may be enticing to her. Maybe even more conflicting is how unsure she would be about where she stands with Shepard...

It also sets up an ending to ME 3 well. Out of all the aliens, Liara is the only one Shepard can have a real "family" with. Even amongst the humans, Ashley/Miranda/Kaiden are still fairly young. A maiden wouldn't necessarily want to settle down with Shepard, but a matron would...

Well on the melding with Feron thing I doubt that will happen even if he has something interesting in his head,if we consider the danger they are in,as I got it the melding process incapatates the two melders more or less and thats quite a bad thing with the SBs thugs,Collectors,that Salarian and maybe Harbinger running around.

As for Liara having become a Matron sure not impossible but I think to manage triggering the stage early requires a tremendous amount of melding and Liara and Shepard just melded what was two times if they werent lovers and if she was your Li that adds one even if we assume she melded with Shepard a few times more before he/she was killed I doubt it was enough.

And on a sidenote I dont really think the matron stage is required for asari to have children,personally I see the maidens kind of like teenagers they can get pregnant but it doesnt mean they should or want to though asari having better control over it then humans.

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, the developers have hinted repeatedly that we shouldn't assume an important character is necessarily a squad member. We know in Wrex's case, he is likely going to be critical in uniting the Krogan to fight the Reapers. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Liara became a critical NPC of some kind.
 
A lot of epics have a team break up for dramatic effect.  Look at Lord of the Rings.  Just because Frodo and Sam didn't have Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli/etc etc around didn't mean the latter were not important.  They had their own critical roles to play.

Well Lord of the rings was movie I dont know how far you can compare that to a game,yeah and I know they said that I think in context of ME1 squadmates getting sidelined but in the end its always the squad that gets the most lines and development it was always this way and I doubt it will change for ME3

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

But that would be incredibly contrived, and completely OOC for Liara. Near enough everything she has done has been based on her love for Shepard. Once her problems and this current character arc of hers is resolved, she then decides not to join up with Shep again, something she expressed a desire to? Doesn't make sense.

Oh, I agree with you.  From a "rational" standpoint as if these characters were real people, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

From a DRAMATIC stand point, of writing to evoke emotional reactions and create an interesting plot, some liberties are taken.  Having Liara as some Arwen like character who supports you from afar would be a dramatic device and not necessarily contrived (it depends on how they write it, after all). 

I think at least some of the LI's won't return in a front and center role.  Tali might for a time return to the Fleet, for example.  In my wildest of theories I think most of all the squad will break up near the end with Shepard and maybe a trusted companion of sorts going on an all out run to do...well, whatever the ultimate solution is for the Reapers.

As to Lord of the Rings, it was a well known series of books first  and a lot of the sparse development in the movie was far better in text than in film.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 01 avril 2010 - 05:55 .

[screwoffreg]

Another thing to keep in mind is that, plotwise, "there is nothing new under the sun".



All stories are derivative in some ways, whether Fantasy standing in the shadow of Tolkien or Sci-Fi themes having been done to death. Looking at ME its clear they are pulling from several books/movies/tv series that most adept people can point out.



Every story these days has an old skeleton, or frame, that has come from somewhere else. Its the "flesh", the meat of the story and the creativity behind it, that marks it as different. ME 3 will probably use dramatic devices that harken from the days of Shakespeare, but that doesn't mean it can't be good...

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...
Oh, I agree with you.  From a "rational" standpoint as if these characters were real people, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

From a DRAMATIC stand point, of writing to evoke emotional reactions and create an interesting plot, some liberties are taken.  Having Liara as some Arwen like character who supports you from afar would be a dramatic device and not necessarily contrived (it depends on how they write it, after all). 

I think at least some of the LI's won't return in a front and center role.  Tali might for a time return to the Fleet, for example.  In my wildest of theories I think most of all the squad will break up near the end with Shepard and maybe a trusted companion of sorts going on an all out run to do...well, whatever the ultimate solution is for the Reapers.

As to Lord of the Rings, it was a well known series of books first  and a lot of the sparse development in the movie was far better in text than in film.

Oh I know it was a book series but that again is another medium and I dont know if I would compare Liara and Arwen since Arwen isnt really mentioned that much in the books and her filmrole well they more or less shoved her in there for certain demographics or whatever and then she doesnt do that much.

[screwoffreg]

Well, whatever happens, I am sure near the end EVERYONE will be involved somehow. Old faces will come back and there will be one hell of a fight. Whether Shepard is alone at the end or with a squad, we will see all of our favorite characters again.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 01 avril 2010 - 06:01 .

[WilliamShatner]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, the developers have hinted repeatedly that we shouldn't assume an important character is necessarily a squad member. We know in Wrex's case, he is likely going to be critical in uniting the Krogan to fight the Reapers. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Liara became a critical NPC of some kind.
 
A lot of epics have a team break up for dramatic effect.  Look at Lord of the Rings.  Just because Frodo and Sam didn't have Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli/etc etc around didn't mean the latter were not important.  They had their own critical roles to play.

The difference is that we still see all those characters and their stories when they are separated.  The all had as much time on screen in The Two Towers as they did in Fellowship of the Ring.  The same can't be said of Liara, Ashley, Kaidan and Wrex in ME2.

[Maria Caliban]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, the developers have hinted repeatedly that we shouldn't assume an important character is necessarily a squad member. We know in Wrex's case, he is likely going to be critical in uniting the Krogan to fight the Reapers. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Liara became a critical NPC of some kind.

If that were their plan, they could have made her a critical NPC in this game.

[screwoffreg]

Maria Caliban wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, the developers have hinted repeatedly that we shouldn't assume an important character is necessarily a squad member. We know in Wrex's case, he is likely going to be critical in uniting the Krogan to fight the Reapers. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Liara became a critical NPC of some kind.

If that were their plan, they could have made her a critical NPC in this game.

Your avatar reminds me of two lost loves...Leliana AND Liara.

At least we know Liara is coming back for sure...Leliana may never return!!! 

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

So it's spam, then?

Yes,  that seems to be the main reason for this great BioWare/EA "community event" thing. Apparently you can gain something if people click on your link that leads to the BioWare/EA pages. So expect even more spam, I'm sure other forums and sites will be pleased too. <_<