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[Marcin K]

 HEY!! I MADE GOOD ONE:
[Liara thinking of Shep after omega relay, she heard it on the news]: 
"I have wondered about you ,Shepard
Where will you be when this through
If all goes as planned 
Will you redeem my life again?"
[shep in his cabin, looking at photo again thinking about Liara]:
" Where will you be when this through,Liara, I can’t make it on my own"
___
what do you think?

Modifié par Marcin R, 25 février 2010 - 07:14 .

[screwoffreg]

I think Liara related/Shadow Broker DLC is a given, but what is not so much sure is that if it connects to the ME 3 story, we might not see it for some time. Casey Hudson mentioned there would be a story line connection from ME 2 and ME 3 that would likely be bridged by some DLC (that was hinted), but it would come out closer to ME 3's release. Considering ME 3 has not even been officially announced, and if we go by the two year timeline as a base, we might not see such DLC until sometime in early 2011, one year away from the last game.

[Skaive]

I'm with Liara

[Marcin K]

justinnstuff wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

 HEY!! I MADE GOOD ONE:
[Liara thinking of Shep after omega relay, she heard it on the news]: 
"I have wondered about you ,Shepard
Where will you be when this through
If all goes as planned 
Will you redeem my life again?"
[shep in his cabin, looking at photo again thinking about Liara]:
" Where will you be when this through,Liara, I can’t make it on my own"
___
what do you think?

I don't know if she needs "redeemed" per say, but she'd definitely need some help. I like the rest though. Especially the Shep part.

you can tune it up if you like:)
also" Where will you be when this through,Liara, I can’t make it on my own"-Shepard wouldn't it look good on a sig?

Modifié par Marcin R, 25 février 2010 - 07:19 .

[JPfanner]

justinnstuff wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...
That however brings up a litany of reasons as to why she is acting as she is. Granted Bioware really screwed the ppoch when they didn't acknowledge their romance in the least... but I have thought about this a lot. One avenue is that this "friend" could very well be a daughter she had while Shepard was gone. The SB kidnapped her after she was born in retaliation for taking Shepard's body. Knowing he was going on this Collector mission she obviously would not tell him about the child for fear he would not return or he would drop everything to go after his daughter and ruin all the work she had done so far in discovering where the SB was keeping her.

I've said it before, but wouldn't that be rather ackward for Shep's that romanced Ash/Kaidan?

Yeah I have to agree. In order for there to be a daughter, you would have to have Liara as the LI. I know our decisions are supposed to change the outcome, but I seriously doubt they have written a completely different story for those who have Liara as an LI, compared to those that didn't.

It would make angsty fanfiction for sure, but you would have to ignore asari reproduction.  Asari don't become accidentally pregnant.  In game it would mean that Liara made a choice to become pregnant when you melded.  Asari have control over their reproduction, in order to have Shepard's child that means that Liara willingly made the choice to become pregnant. 
I personally don't see Liara doing something so fundamentally dishonest.  She had no way to know they only had a month together and during that month they're off fighting geth together.  It'd be kind of hard to hide her being pregnant and then having to admit she babyraped Shepard.

[screwoffreg]

Liara as a Morrigan type character hiding a child from you? That would be wild...it would also preclude her from being a squadmate as I don't see her abandoning a baby Asari on Illium.

 Maybe her dad could raise it .

Modifié par screwoffreg, 25 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[MoSa09]

screwoffreg wrote...

I think Liara related/Shadow Broker DLC is a given, but what is not so much sure is that if it connects to the ME 3 story, we might not see it for some time. Casey Hudson mentioned there would be a story line connection from ME 2 and ME 3 that would likely be bridged by some DLC (that was hinted), but it would come out closer to ME 3's release. Considering ME 3 has not even been officially announced, and if we go by the two year timeline as a base, we might not see such DLC until sometime in early 2011, one year away from the last game.

there are rumors that ME 3 was paralley developed together with ME 2 and is planned to be released in the first quarter of 2011. These are still rumors, but there are many of them, so i'd say it a good guess to assume it won't take that long as another two years.
Also keep in mind that ME 3 (and possible dlc for one or two years) should be done within the life circle of the 360 (Casey Hudson said so), and the XBox is more than 4 years old, Microsoft is already working on its successor, and is outdated compared to Sony's PS3 and a modern PC.

[screwoffreg]

MoSa09 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think Liara related/Shadow Broker DLC is a given, but what is not so much sure is that if it connects to the ME 3 story, we might not see it for some time. Casey Hudson mentioned there would be a story line connection from ME 2 and ME 3 that would likely be bridged by some DLC (that was hinted), but it would come out closer to ME 3's release. Considering ME 3 has not even been officially announced, and if we go by the two year timeline as a base, we might not see such DLC until sometime in early 2011, one year away from the last game.

there are rumors that ME 3 was paralley developed together with ME 2 and is planned to be released in the first quarter of 2011. These are still rumors, but there are many of them, so i'd say it a good guess to assume it won't take that long as another two years.
Also keep in mind that ME 3 (and possible dlc for one or two years) should be done within the life circle of the 360 (Casey Hudson said so), and the XBox is more than 4 years old, Microsoft is already working on its successor, and is outdated compared to Sony's PS3 and a modern PC.

To your XBOX 360 point, I think the lifetime of the current consoles, due to the massive expense involved in developing them (Sony is still recovering) will probably have much longer lifespans than expected (look at Project Nautilus).  With that said, I have not heard of the rumors you mentioned as so far hints from the staff indicated that they are still working on story elements and the like.  If we got ME 3 sooner, that would be a great New Year surprise for 2011, but I am skeptical...but wouldn't mind being proven wrong.

[Nozybidaj]

I doubt we will see ME3 that soon, at least I hope not. They have a lot of ground to cover if they really want to do something that doesn't feel half assed.



They just wasted an entire chapter of the trilogy on doing more character introductions. I'd liked to have seen things develop a little before "BANG, we're done". At this point, to do that ME3 would need to be twice as long as either of its predecessors and I don't see that happening either.

[MoSa09]

screwoffreg wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think Liara related/Shadow Broker DLC is a given, but what is not so much sure is that if it connects to the ME 3 story, we might not see it for some time. Casey Hudson mentioned there would be a story line connection from ME 2 and ME 3 that would likely be bridged by some DLC (that was hinted), but it would come out closer to ME 3's release. Considering ME 3 has not even been officially announced, and if we go by the two year timeline as a base, we might not see such DLC until sometime in early 2011, one year away from the last game.

there are rumors that ME 3 was paralley developed together with ME 2 and is planned to be released in the first quarter of 2011. These are still rumors, but there are many of them, so i'd say it a good guess to assume it won't take that long as another two years.
Also keep in mind that ME 3 (and possible dlc for one or two years) should be done within the life circle of the 360 (Casey Hudson said so), and the XBox is more than 4 years old, Microsoft is already working on its successor, and is outdated compared to Sony's PS3 and a modern PC.

To your XBOX 360 point, I think the lifetime of the current consoles, due to the massive expense involved in developing them (Sony is still recovering) will probably have much longer lifespans than expected (look at Project Nautilus).  With that said, I have not heard of the rumors you mentioned as so far hints from the staff indicated that they are still working on story elements and the like.  If we got ME 3 sooner, that would be a great New Year surprise for 2011, but I am skeptical...but wouldn't mind being proven wrong.

Yeah, but MS is already falling behind in sales, and they really lost the gamble with the HD-DVD vs. Blue-Ray. And so games like DAO have to be cut and shortened for XBox cause they simply won't fit on a regular disc compared to a Blue ray.
But i stop here before turning this into a console discussion thread, let's say there are rumors and wait what truth there will be. DA 2 is also rumored to appear early in 2011.

@Nozybidaj: And for the time they need to develop a worthy final: they won't throw a game on the market to simply get it done. You might not like ME 2 for reasons, but the game was finished, and another year would not have changed what you dislked about it. So if they release it 2011, 2012 or 2013, they will release a finished game that won't differ in general plot. If you like or hate ME 3 won't depend on the time they take to develop the game. The general plot won't differ.

Modifié par MoSa09, 25 février 2010 - 07:51 .

[Slakky]

justinnstuff wrote...
I don't know if she needs "redeemed" per say, but she'd definitely need some help. I like the rest though. Especially the Shep part.

I think Liara needs redemption in her own head, if nowhere else.  Giving the corpse of SpaceJesus to a cabal of mad scientists is almost certainly an endeavor that will go sideways at some point.

That's what fascinates me about the Liara relationship:  Sure, all the squaddies love Shephard in their own way, but Liara is the only one who loves Shephard enough to do some wrong sh!t that could easily end badly for all involved.  She's a veritable little blue Judas.

[bjdbwea]

MoSa09 wrote...

And for the time they need to develop a worthy final: they won't throw a game on the market to simply get it done. You might not like ME 2 for reasons, but the game was finished, and another year would not have changed what you dislked about it. So if they release it 2011, 2012 or 2013, they will release a finished game that won't differ in general plot. If you like or hate ME 3 won't depend on the time they take to develop the game. The general plot won't differ.

It is true that more time does not guarantee a better game.

That said, I firmly believe that ME 2 would have needed significantly more time, and I do think that it was pushed out of the door too early. Too early to be a truly good game that is, obviously not too early to earn good money.

The main story in ME 2 wasn't well written from the start in my opinion. But remember, when writing the story for a video game, you also have to consider the time and effort it will take to actually implement the things you write. If you know the team will have more time, you will be able to provide a better story.

Secondly, there are lots of things where it's very visible that things are missing. Is the game finished? Yes, it can be played through from start to end. Is it complete? Not at all. The vehicle which was supposed to be in the game is only the most visible point in case. With more time, all could've been much better: Proper briefings and debriefings, more interaction from your companions, bigger levels with more content, better cities, better side quests, at least one proper conversation with the ME 1 LIs, etc. etc. etc. Maybe even an actual inventory and better RPG elements, of course with the choice to have everything automated for the shooter crowd. Mostly things that ME 1 already provided, I might add, so it's not too much asked for in my opinion.

[Deamon023]

I don't think either that Liara needs to be redeemed, Cerberus was also looking for Shepard's body for their own interests.

Liara's motives are not just personal it wouldn't fit her personality imo, she does a lot of good by siding with Cerberus specially by denying the Collectors Shep's genetic material.

Liara is a blue angel

[MoSa09]

bjdbwea wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

And for the time they need to develop a worthy final: they won't throw a game on the market to simply get it done. You might not like ME 2 for reasons, but the game was finished, and another year would not have changed what you dislked about it. So if they release it 2011, 2012 or 2013, they will release a finished game that won't differ in general plot. If you like or hate ME 3 won't depend on the time they take to develop the game. The general plot won't differ.

It is true that more time does not guarantee a better game.

That said, I firmly believe that ME 2 would have needed significantly more time, and I do think that it was pushed out of the door too early. Too early to be a truly good game that is, obviously not too early to earn good money.

The main story in ME 2 wasn't well written from the start in my opinion. But remember, when writing the story for a video game, you also have to consider the time and effort it will take to actually implement the things you write. If you know the team will have more time, you will be able to provide a better story.

Secondly, there are lots of things where it's very visible that things are missing. Is the game finished? Yes, it can be played through from start to end. Is it complete? Not at all. The vehicle which was supposed to be in the game is only the most visible point in case. With more time, all could've been much better: Proper briefings and debriefings, more interaction from your companions, bigger levels with more content, better cities, better side quests, at least one proper conversation with the ME 1 LIs, etc. etc. etc. Maybe even an actual inventory and better RPG elements, of course with the choice to have everything automated for the shooter crowd. Mostly things that ME 1 already provided, I might add, so it's not too much asked for in my opinion.

Sorry to say, but the point you made is not exactly valid for me. There is never enough time in the world to make a game/story/movie/book complete. There is always something you as a developer would like to add and the fan would have liked to see or missed. Even if they took 10 years to develop, there would be people complaining that this or that would be missing. So if you ever want to get finished, you have to set a timeframe and declare some plot twists as important and others as probably neglectable. Unlimited time and ressources are a nice fantasy but have no place in reality. That's especially the case for those things you mentioned like briefings, more content, better cities, bigger levels and so on.
For the new mako, i always thought it was intented to be a dlc item. But even if they had to scrapt it due to limited tiome and ressources, i didn't miss it (those long and boring mako rides were one of the things i despised the most in ME 1, on all those similar looking planets).  For the RPG elements: they decided to push the action element and downplay the roleplaying a bit. You may not like these changes, but they have nothing to do with more or less time of development.

And more generally, i think ME 2 is a good game, and i liked it. I agree and have said before that Liara's "reunion" was handled poorly and clumsy, more on Shepard's than on her side. But that fact should not cloud one's vision about the general game. This is not "The Liara T'Soni love story game" but Mass Effect, an RPG/Shooter Mix. I liked Liara and was really disappointed at how her story played out, but i liked the rest of the game nevertheless. And the general plot was good imo. The plot of ME 1 (hero discovers a huge conspiracy, no ones believes him, but he fights the odds, survives and is victorious in the end is not exactly that new and never seen before plot either). Sometimes i believe some people get a little Liara blinded and cause her story was bad (i agree), the game is also bad and become pessimistic and disappointed with the game in general.
All that sad and probably provoking some hatred directed at my side (i hope i don't have to turn in my fanclub membership), i really like Liara and was disappointed her romance, but  i have faith in BioWare and i'm sure they will deliver a meaningful conclusion in ME 3 tha will make me happy.

[screwoffreg]

I think Liara will have a darker past than most here realize. Two years have gone by, and as I have said before, you do NOT become a powerful information broker without some skulls, innocent or guilty, being cracked. I think that will play into the drama of the whole situation. Can Shepard accept the person Liara is now, even though her intentions were good, that her hands may be stained with blood?

[Movodor]

Well, one has to consider that she did all-or most-of that skull crushing purely for shepard.

[screwoffreg]

Movodor wrote...

Well, one has to consider that she did all-or most-of that skull crushing purely for shepard.

True, but Shepard died loving one kind of Liara, can he love one who, despite her effort on his behalf, may been irreversibly changed?

[Nozybidaj]

screwoffreg wrote...

I think Liara will have a darker past than most here realize. Two years have gone by, and as I have said before, you do NOT become a powerful information broker without some skulls, innocent or guilty, being cracked. I think that will play into the drama of the whole situation. Can Shepard accept the person Liara is now, even though her intentions were good, that her hands may be stained with blood?

Honestly I don't think I am going to like whatever they do.  They went way too far down the "dark and edgy" path and now it would be just as contrived to turn back as it would be to have started it in the first place.

[Nozybidaj]

screwoffreg wrote...

Movodor wrote...

Well, one has to consider that she did all-or most-of that skull crushing purely for shepard.

True, but Shepard died loving one kind of Liara, can he love one who, despite her effort on his behalf, may been irreversibly changed?

See, it just ticks me off what they did with the character.  Mac Walters better hope he is never within arms reach of me.