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[mrbeavis19]

chool77 wrote...

..*sigh*...Liara was my girl in ME1... too bad things turned out the way they did in ME2

...one of gaming's greatest tragedies:?

[Shadowcat101]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Shadowcat101 wrote...

wow this topic picked up some speed over night. lots of Liara love today i guess.

Got any more new pieces of Liara fanart in the pipeline?

Just gave up on it, it was not going to do Liara justice. I’ll have to start again with something new. It has to be right or nothing at all

[scmadsen]

Shavon wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Seriously, even when I've shut him down... it still has the same air of ... tension, talking to Kaidan.

Oh, and I've got the feeling that I'm taking another stab at a playthrough this weekend of ME1... someone remind me how to get 'I saw her first' again? And possibly avoid the challenge scene, because not only is it not fair to my Goddess to accidentally lead the poor schlub on, it's not fair to said poor schlub

The "I saw her first"  line is only when you play as a DudeShep.  And sadly, that feeling of tension never goes away when you talk to Kaidan after letting him down.  There's just no way to do it gently.  I always either Virmire him or deal with the love-triangle scene.

You can get the "I saw her first." line as femshep, he replies one way to maleshep and another way to femshep though.

[JaylaClark]

scmadsen wrote...

For Ali having no notice of the change that Liara went thru, I think she did a really great job. I think it's clear she cares about Liara and the role. That's something I didn't expect to learn. I'm hopeful too, like the rest of you, that she will do a wonderful job with the DLC, now that she knows what's going on. I was watching some interview with her, and she talked about how she does play the games she is in, that's got to be a bit weird...I wonder if she romances Liara? lol Anyway...I atleast think Ali will give us a great VO, even if the writers screw it up. I mean, I think she got it perfect in ME2, now that we know what was going on. The way she sounds like she is acting, shows us this isn't really her, but then when she breaks down, we see the old Liara and those lines sound real. There is also a line where she says, she wishes she could just drop everything and go, and tell Shepard what is going on, but she can't.

Well I for one am glad she plays her own games, and I'd bet she does romance Liara.  (If I were her, I'd be almost playing as Liara, in a way...)  But I think she came up with a great take on it -- the badassery, so to speak, sounds so affected, and her quick take of 'Shepard!' and most of her 'couldn't let you go' dialogue sounds so genuine, that we can see who Ali thinks is the real Liara.

I hope Jennifer can pull off Shepard and keep up with Ali. It really felt so one sided in ME2...I know that was maybe the writers and everything, and she was told to be that way...but I guess I lost a little respect for Jennifer then...I just hope she can show Shepard to be a real person that loves Liara and feels just as bad, sad, lonely, guilty...I feel sorry for male Shepards, I don't see what's his name doing a good job.

I wonder if the same thing happened to Jennifer?  Though she doesn't play her games, so it's more on the director in her case to help her find the character again... and through most of the game, she was still spot-on.  And regarding the Liara scene, you can't save a scene if you don't have the right lines... regardless of what you think of what should have been said, I still think LiLi-lovers needed something unique to say.

I was also thinking about...should Shepard be upset with Liara, if part of the deal with TIM was, that she had to end things, no distractions, no romance, and she took the deal? Does that show she doesn't love Shepard as much as we thought, or does it show that she loves Shepard so much, that she would rather have Shepard alive and hating her, then for Shepard to stay dead? Would your Shepard be upset at her for giving up on love, as it were?

I will forgive her, and not blame her, but I'm gonna want to kill TIM even more, if this is the case.

For some reason, I don't see Liara taking that deal... but if she did?  I think my Shepard would forgive her regardless.  How can you stay angry at that face?  You can't even try :wub:

[Unata]

JaylaClark wrote...

Seriously, even when I've shut him down... it still has the same air of ... tension, talking to Kaidan.

Oh, and I've got the feeling that I'm taking another stab at a playthrough this weekend of ME1... someone remind me how to get 'I saw her first' again? And possibly avoid the challenge scene, because not only is it not fair to my Goddess to accidentally lead the poor schlub on, it's not fair to said poor schlub

After you get back aboard the Normandy, talk to Liara first, then go talk to Kaidan neutral like, get through any of his babble and then select "Tactical apprasial".

[Unata]

Shavon wrote...

@ Scamsden: Really?? I never got that dialogue . . . will have to try it out. Um, if I already rejected him, can I get the dialogue still?

Has to be right after getting Liara aboard, if you do any other missions his Tactical apprasial changes to that current mission.

[Unata]

rynluna wrote...

scmadsen wrote......

You can get the "I saw her first." line as femshep, he replies one way to maleshep and another way to femshep though.

Yes, I believe Kaidan gets a bit surprised and says something along the lines of "I didn't know you were into girls."  I don't remember exactly what he said though.  Which means I'm going to have to play ME1 again. 

He says "I hear they are into that sort of thing"

[scmadsen]

Shepard is heartless, being undead sucks.

[JPfanner]

Unata wrote...
He says "I hear they are into that sort of thing"

Doing what they've been doing since before they were sentient?  Between that and the confrontation scene it definitely does sound like Kaiden has some issues, or at least likes to put his foot in his mouth.  That line doesn't even make any sense when applied to the asari, they're all female!  There isn't even any biological reason for them to be suited for anything but like tribadism for the physical side of intimacy.
It'd be interesting how many species of higher animals on Thessia evolved with parthogenesis besides the asari.

[scmadsen]

Kaidan seems to have a complex that's for sure. I'll leave it at that.

[Unata]

JPfanner wrote...

Unata wrote...
He says "I hear they are into that sort of thing"

Doing what they've been doing since before they were sentient?  Between that and the confrontation scene it definitely does sound like Kaiden has some issues, or at least likes to put his foot in his mouth.  That line doesn't even make any sense when applied to the asari, they're all female!  There isn't even any biological reason for them to be suited for anything but like tribadism for the physical side of intimacy.
It'd be interesting how many species of higher animals on Thessia evolved with parthogenesis besides the asari.

I put Kaidan in the same box what's his face is in, you know, that guy in ME2

[Unata]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Shavon wrote...


Aw

Let's just blame bad writing!

Seriously I think that's also part of the reason why the execution of Liara's short appearance is taken badly by so many.

That's what's so frustrating. Unless you dig deep, read between the lines and analyse her, Liara can appear to be completely different to how she's truly feeling, and the suffering she's endured. I'll always be there for her, though. I understand what Liara's been through, and how she's continuing to suffer.

Me2 is alot of bad writing, from the get go, I mean if Collectors are looking for shepard, why the hell didn't they take Shepard when they trashed the Normandy in the first place? they have the technology, they could have just sucked up all organic signatures and be done with it, sorta lame imho.

Then you get some (probably EA) Big wig telling the writers to milk the cash cow to death, so writers have to hack the heck out of the story to please Big wig, leave this out for a comic, leave that out for a DLC, throw a bone out now and then to keep the interest ie: Apperance DLC, Hammerhead DLC Kasumi DLC,  so the writers can fit it all back together to make it make some sort of sence, they failed

[JPfanner]

Shavon wrote...
Aw
Let's just blame bad writing!
Seriously I think that's also part of the reason why the execution of Liara's short appearance is taken badly by so many.

I think he's not really talking about the asari, he's talking about Shepard.  Whether Liara is interested in other women or species isn't an issue unless Shepard shares those interests, even just limited to an interest in Liara.  So the real issue is what Shepard is interested in.
It has always seemed to me that Kaiden and Ashley both have been presented in the game as having some adjustment issues with other species.  Kaiden sees them as too human and Ashley sees them as too alien.  The player is left to decide where Shepard sits on that spectrum, those two are really just like points of reference on it.
People complain about the interactions with the aliens suffering from that "talking codex entry" issue, but I really do think both Ashley and Kaiden have some of that too, even if you don't get as many codex entries from them.  They're both given lines to give some perspective on humanity's interactions with aliens to the player.
What do Ashley and Kaiden say about Shepard's relationship with the counterpart human?  Just asking out of curiousity if anyone knows offhand.

[Unata]

JPfanner wrote...

Shavon wrote...
Aw
Let's just blame bad writing!
Seriously I think that's also part of the reason why the execution of Liara's short appearance is taken badly by so many.

I think he's not really talking about the asari, he's talking about Shepard.  Whether Liara is interested in other women or species isn't an issue unless Shepard shares those interests, even just limited to an interest in Liara.  So the real issue is what Shepard is interested in.
It has always seemed to me that Kaiden and Ashley both have been presented in the game as having some adjustment issues with other species.  Kaiden sees them as too human and Ashley sees them as too alien.  The player is left to decide where Shepard sits on that spectrum, those two are really just like points of reference on it.
People complain about the interactions with the aliens suffering from that "talking codex entry" issue, but I really do think both Ashley and Kaiden have some of that too, even if you don't get as many codex entries from them.  They're both given lines to give some perspective on humanity's interactions with aliens to the player.
What do Ashley and Kaiden say about Shepard's relationship with the counterpart human?  Just asking out of curiousity if anyone knows offhand.

I know that Ashely doesn't mention anything about it in her dialogs really, all she talks about is her family, faith etc if you bother to talk with her anymore, but I do have to say she does have some pretty funny lines if you take her out on assignments now and then heh.

Kaidan is collecting cobwebs as what's his face is in me2

[Unata]

Cause we need one

[JPfanner]

I know that Femshep can talk to Ashley when she gets that one message from her sister about Kaiden being cute, and she says scuttlebutt says he is sweet on someone else. I didn't know if there were any more lines along that if you actually do pursue Kaiden or not. Or the other way around for Maleshep.

Poor Liara, as soon she gets on the ship half the crew starts getting all paranoid about her amazing asari sexual prowess working it's magic on Shepard. Which, admittedly, does happen in all my cases. Still they do kind of jump the gun a bit in bringing it up. I wonder how Ashley would feel if people were talking about her sex life right after she gets on the ship after Eden Prime, or whether Maleshep was going to be getting it on with her?