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[CanadAvenger]

Someone with ME2 on PC should go to the subtitles and mod the line "I'll talk to you later, Liara" and change it to: "I'll talk to you later, Liara "

At least that's SOMETHING.

Modifié par CanadAvenger, 25 février 2010 - 10:34 .

[Sakhalin]

Agreed. I can't wait for GDC for them to announce the new ME2 DLCs, but part of me has a feeling that they will only reveal Kasumi or the Hammerhead thingy. Hopefully they are taking their sweet time with the Liara DLC so when its released, its pure awesomeness.

[Srslydude01]

I am optimistic to think that everything with Liara was done on purpose and not just lack of attention. I have confidence in future DLC and I know that Liara has to be a squad member in ME3. Especially after all the support from the fanbase.

[screwoffreg]

I think Hammerhead is around the corner if we go by the Bioware twitter. Kasumi shouldn't be far behind and I can't see how her entry would be MAJOR unless she is more well developed than Zaeed. Id like to think Liara is the next one, but if she is truly as important to the plot as we think, then we may have to wait until the next game is nearer.

[Raanz]

Sakhalin wrote...

Agreed. I can't wait for GDC for them to announce the new ME2 DLCs, but part of me has a feeling that they will only reveal Kasumi or the Hammerhead thingy. Hopefully they are taking their sweet time with the Liara DLC so when its released, its pure awesomeness.

I've read this thread a bunch, and I see people talking about Liara DLC, hell I even saw it on the wiki (a mention of a rumor), I must have missed something....a tidbit that hints towards DLC specifically with Liara in it?   Is it all just wishful thinking or has something been mentioned by BW?

[Movodor]

There's files in the ME2 folders you can look at and see evidence of a DLC in the same way as there was for Kasumi.

Only I don't think there's anywhere near the content compared to that. hell, there's dialogue and such for kasumi already there.

[JPfanner]

The BS Police wrote...
I don't really see how she changed as much as everyone else thinks she did. it's not like she never killed anyone else before her and Shepard met. She even made it clear that she has dealt with various Merc groups before the events of ME1 while investigating Prothean ruins.

Yep, this is pretty much how I feel as well.  The whole Liara scene in ME2 is just as artifically one sided and static as the Horizon scene with Ashley/Kaiden.  So all we can speculate on is the very little they do say and the effectively nothing we're allowed to say back. 
In the context of actions characters routinely take in the game I don't see what she is doing as anything out of the ordinary.  There's a line in ME1 where you can say that you'll protect her and she tells you that she doesn't need protecting.  She also mentions that on her digs she has had to defend herself.  She doesn't experience any trauma or reservations about effectively being a special forces soldier as a squadmate in ME1.  She has a lot of strength and maturity as a person really. 
For example in ME2 the fact that Garrus formed up a posse and ran around on a vigilante killing spree involving killzone ambushes, what amounts to piracy, and assassination didn't induce any handwringing in the game.  He's Garrus, and you saved the galaxy together.  If he thinks some bad people needed killing, well then they needed killing.  When he wants information out of Harkin you end up killing a bunch of mercs to get Harkin so Garrus can beat the information out of him.  And that's all ok.
Liara feels that the Shadow Broker needs to be stopped and considering he was going to sell me to the Collectors I'd be inclined to think that as well, even if she didn't.  I also don't see her killing anyone that she didn't think deserved it.  She managed all those decades without Shepard there to personally approve every action she took and my personal inclination is to assume she knows what she's doing.  Especially since she's in the know on the whole threat of galactic extinction.  So was Garrus, and no one was upset with him spending his time shooting bad mercs.

[Sakhalin]

Raanz wrote...

Sakhalin wrote...

Agreed. I can't wait for GDC for them to announce the new ME2 DLCs, but part of me has a feeling that they will only reveal Kasumi or the Hammerhead thingy. Hopefully they are taking their sweet time with the Liara DLC so when its released, its pure awesomeness.

I've read this thread a bunch, and I see people talking about Liara DLC, hell I even saw it on the wiki (a mention of a rumor), I must have missed something....a tidbit that hints towards DLC specifically with Liara in it?   Is it all just wishful thinking or has something been mentioned by BW?

There is a PC file with Liara_DLC_ somethingseomthing

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Raanz wrote...

I've read this thread a bunch, and I see people talking about Liara DLC, hell I even saw it on the wiki (a mention of a rumor), I must have missed something....a tidbit that hints towards DLC specifically with Liara in it?   Is it all just wishful thinking or has something been mentioned by BW?

There are files accesible by PC players that specifically mention Liara and DLC. Its like "leadin" or something, presumably files left by Bioware for easy implementation of future DLC. Normandy crashsite, Zaeed and Kasumi all have the same kind of files, and we know what they all became/become.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 25 février 2010 - 10:54 .

[T-Kay]

I'm game. I thought Liara's puffy face was kiddish in ME1, but she was still prettier than Ashley. And compared to the new Asari witch that joins you in ME2 Liara is starting to look like a supermodel. Oh man Samara... ugly... as... sh!t.

[screwoffreg]

Perhaps in a novelization of ME we would see more of the emotion and other side of things, but in a game I am sure they will take more of the flat Liara is good always and forever ~love~ way. I would be very impressed though if they went into the "deep" parts as very few games ever do. The ones that have are very old, graphically outdated, and with large amounts of reading and text. With ME's movie like feel, they could really pull of some great emotional moments and character development.

Oh, well.  An (amateur) writer like me just sees a goldmine of character development opportunities, but at the same time I am not running a business and trying to make a profit either...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 25 février 2010 - 11:02 .

[Sakhalin]

Haha, people seem to be split on rather Samara is attractive or not. A lot of people find her attractive simply due to her [1000 year old] rack. I am a female so I don't really care...

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Add to that the fact that when Redemption was announced BW said that there would be DLC that would tie-in to events in the comic, I think there's ample evidence Liara DLC is on the way.

If it is coming out very soon, I can't imagine it would allow Liara to join the squad as that would really alter the ME 2 experience.  I imagine it would end somewhat inconclusively...

[T-Kay]

That Asari broad from Feros should be on the team if any. Or the Matriarch Asari that tends the bar on Illium.

[Sakhalin]

It would be pretty cool if we PLAYED as Liara in the events of Redemption.

[bjdbwea]

MoSa09 wrote...

Sometimes i believe some people get a little Liara blinded and cause her story was bad (i agree), the game is also bad and become pessimistic and disappointed with the game in general.

No, no, no. No. My disappointment with ME 2 started way earlier than that. After the great beginning, the longer I was playing, the less I liked what I saw. Until the end, which was okay again. I can't name it all again, and it's not exactly the topic here. But I strongly reject the notion that my view of the general game has been influenced by the disappointment with the ME 1 LI treatment.

It's more like this: After already being disappointed - by the way also with most new companions - I was very much looking forward to the meeting with character my Shepard usually had a romance with. We knew they would only play a small role. But I fully expected this at least to be one / the high point in the game, as I really didn't anticipate that BioWare of all sorts would screw something like that up so badly. Bam! They did. It was the absolute low point. But I'm still able to differentiate this from the rest of the game.

Look, I was not suggesting that it's "wrong" if anyone likes the game. It's great that you like it, and many people do. I don't "hate" it either. My point is, that it could have and should have been so much better. I don't understand how people can not see this, including reviewers. Everyone played ME 1, did they not? I do understand that part of the new target audience doesn't care about some things that I care about, as long as it looks cool and you get to shoot stuff. But if you appreciate all the other things that made ME 1 a milestone in gaming history, is it really that hard to see that much of it is missing?

I'm not talking about ten years to make THE game, but maybe a half to one year to get the polish done and avoid all that cutting of corners. Preferably also implement a main plot that can hold water to part 1. (And get the ME 1 LIs right.) It would still be a reasonable time frame for a supposed blockbuster game.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 février 2010 - 11:09 .

[Sakhalin]

T-Kay wrote...
Or the Matriarch Asari that tends the bar on Illium.

I support this.  I'd love for her to slap some collector ass with a singularity!

[screwoffreg]

I don't want to make it seem like I am terribly disappointed with ME 2. I have enjoyed my replays so far, partly due to the fact the classes are so distinct that it really is a different experience each time. Even so, I feel like much more could have been done with the story so far, but I have faith that Bioware's writers are saving up for something great in ME 3. Baldurs Gate conclusion was no slouch, as a matter of fact for being an Expansion it was one of the greatest games of all time.

[T-Kay]

screwoffreg wrote...

I don't want to make it seem like I am terribly disappointed with ME 2. I have enjoyed my replays so far, partly due to the fact the classes are so distinct that it really is a different experience each time. Even so, I feel like much more could have been done with the story so far, but I have faith that Bioware's writers are saving up for something great in ME 3. Baldurs Gate conclusion was no slouch, as a matter of fact for being an Expansion it was one of the greatest games of all time.

This discussion may be off topic, but I'm joining in nonetheless. In ME1 the gameplay sucked. It was far too easy and the mako makes a second playthrough so much less enjoyable. The story was great there is no issue on that. And it is in that fact that BioWare made a mistake only. The second game fixes almost everything that was wrong with the first game. The gameplay experience is improved tenfold. ME2 just focusses more on characters you may or may not care about and the main story is second to them. In fact when I finished ME2 I had the feeling I was only halfway through.

Having the romance continue in the second game was necessary, but I had no problem with the small part it played. I felt Liara was kind of cold. Seemed out of character for her since Shepard was supposed to be her first love.

Also in ME2 every living person seems to know about Cerberus, but in ME1 when Kahoku finds out he gets killed. doesn't make sense.

[MoSa09]

bjdbwea wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

Sometimes i believe some people get a little Liara blinded and cause her story was bad (i agree), the game is also bad and become pessimistic and disappointed with the game in general.

No, no, no. No. My disappointment with ME 2 started way earlier than that. After the great beginning, the longer I was playing, the less I liked what I saw. Until the end, which was okay again. I can't name it all again, and it's not exactly the topic here. But I strongly reject the notion that my view of the general game has been influenced by the disappointment with the ME 1 LI treatment.

It's more like this: After already being disappointed - by the way also with most new companions - I was very much looking forward to the meeting with character my Shepard usually had a romance with. We knew they would only play a small role. But I fully expected this at least to be one / the high point in the game, as I really didn't anticipate that BioWare of all sorts would screw something like that up so badly. Bam! They did. It was the absolute low point. But I'm still able to differentiate this from the rest of the game.

Look, I was not suggesting that it's "wrong" if anyone likes the game. It's great that you like it, and many people do. I don't "hate" it either. My point is, that it could have and should have been so much better. I don't understand how people can not see this, including reviewers. Everyone played ME 1, did they not? I do understand that part of the new target audience doesn't care about some things that I care about, as long as it looks cool and you get to shoot stuff. But if you appreciate all the other things that made ME 1 a milestone in gaming history, is it really that hard to see that much of it is missing?

I'm not talking about ten years to make THE game, but maybe a half to one year to get the polish done and avoid all that cutting of corners. Preferably also implement a main plot that can hold water to part 1. (And get the ME 1 LIs right.) It would still be a reasonable time frame for a supposed blockbuster game.

I wasn't my intention to offend you, so if i did, my apologies. And of course you're free to not like it.
I just don't value ME 1 as the holy grail many (including you i guess) do. ME 1 was good, i enjoyed it. But it had some horrible flaws. Planet's looked all alike, the long mako rides, for a shooter, the handling was not the best, for playing on XBox, the RPG elements were more annoying than really useful, the long elevator rides to name only a few.
They adressed some of the issued and made some new mistakes. ME 2 is no holy grail either, it's just really good, and they repaired some of my biggest complaints. I cannot say i complaint about the RPG elements, but i do not miss them either. If i want to play a real RPG, i play DAO or something like that. ME 2 is more like an interactive action movie with some RPg elements just like the upcoming "Heavy Rain". That seems to be the future or current premium type of game at the moment, and i like it and already looking forward to it.
Before i say this, this is not directed at you, so don't take it personally, but i read alot in the threads here (with the notable exception of the other love threads), and many people who complain hold ME 1 alsolutely dear and complain about the changes of ME 2. Those people tend to get a little blind as they overrate ME 1 as the game Nr. 1 for all times that was flawless while ME 2 is not, and that is not true imo. Both are very good, and both have it's flaws.
In the end, it comes down to what style you like more, so we have to agree to disagree here i guess to focus our attention on what we both agree, and that is Liara and how badly she was treated in ME 2 and that she deserves better. Agreed?

[T-Kay]

The elevator rides were innovative loading screens with banter. Now we get boring loading screens with no banter. I don't see the improvement there.

[MoSa09]

T-Kay wrote...

The elevator rides were innovative loading screens with banter. Now we get boring loading screens with no banter. I don't see the improvement there.

The improvement is there are less of them (at least i got the feeling they were), and they were much shorter. But i will stop going off topic now, enough distraction.
Anyone any nice pics to post plz?

[screwoffreg]

Liara's biotics vs Miranda's biotics, now there is a picture.