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[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Then once you finally met Liara for the first time, it must have caused an explosion of love, attraction and passion for her. It certainly did for me, I was eager to meet her, but I completely fell in love when I first saw her and heard Liara's beautiful voice.

No, I was like, 'Eh, she's female and the only f/f option....I guess she'll do.'

















i'm joking.

[JPfanner]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Ah, JP, I'm glad you're around.

If you go back a few pages, myself and Noxis had a pretty interesting debate about Liara in ME2, spawned by whether we interpret Liara as blackmailing Shepard by saying she'll kill all 5 Observer suspects if you refuse to help her (I don't think she is blackmailing, what about you?). Anyway, take a look at what was said between us, and tell us if you have any thoughts. I've been waiting for you to come online to see what you thought of our debate about Liara in ME2.

Hey : )  Yeah, I've been like in Liara discussion withdrawl.  But have to put in the token family time for holidays every so often.  Taking me a bit to read through the twentysome pages I was behind on.

I don't think Liara is blackmailing you at all.  There isn't a lot that is said in her interaction, but everything she does say she is honest and forthright.  She never tries to trick you, or holds your past relationship over you, or even acts like you owe her anything except some consideration and trust as a friend.  She can't go into details on why she is after the Shadow Broker at that time, all she can do is tell you that it is important and necessary.  That if you trust her judgement and value her friendship, then there is something that you can help her with that she can't trust anyone else to do.
 
She needs that Observer taken out, both for her hunt and for her own safety.  All of those suspects are criminals and work for the Shadow Broker, the Observer is their handler and next step up contact.  When she says that line about if she doesn't get your help she'll just have to kill them all and they aren't anything to lose sleep over, she's simply being honest about what needs to be done.  If she wanted to kill them all or even thought it was the best solution, she would have already taken them out.  Instead she asks for your help to handle the situation without needing to kill them all.

Even after she tells you about recovering your body, Liara NEVER holds that over you or expects anything back in return.  Liara is just innately a good person and Shepard is her friend, if not more.  She definitely has a ledger of favors and debts for her job, but there is never any kind of tallying done for friends.  She wants to help you now, in the future, and has most definitely helped you in the past.  For no payment other than she is your friend and it was the right thing to do.  And I really think she expects the same in return, but wouldn't be so crass as to demand it, especially with her worrying what Shepard will think about the whole Cerberus affair.  So really the choice for Shepard in that situation comes down to either being a friend back to Liara, or being a jerk mercenary who views everything in terms of their own personal goals and gains.
EDIT:One day, I'll figure out the line returns.

Modifié par JPfanner, 05 avril 2010 - 04:26 .

[jlb524]

Cartims wrote...

I'm not

I've wondered....do I only like b/c she really is the only option for me to romance in Mass Effect? (I only do f/f romances unless there is a really good m/f one, but there usually isn't).   

I've come to the conclusion that this is not the case, as I really only like one other female in ME for romance (Jack) and think of the others as just friendship material.  If Ashley was available for FemShep romance instead of Liara, I would have played it and enjoyed it, but probably not as much as I did with Liara.  I just really love the strong willed, nerdy, bookish types.

@Somebody

Yeah, I think I just answered your question.  If Ash was the f/f LI instead of Liara, yes.  What other choice would I have had?  Kaidan?  Not my thing.

Modifié par jlb524, 05 avril 2010 - 04:39 .

[jlb524]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Quick check: has grif101 been in here trolling you guys?

Not that I am aware of.

[Onyx Jaguar]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Quick check: has grif101 been in here trolling you guys?

Hello Rune, and no.

Alright thanks.

But has Onyx?

[jlb524]

Somebody1003 wrote...

I mean like say both Ashley and Liara are available for f/f romances. Which do you think you would  have really gone for?

Good question.  I would have still picked Liara over Ashley in my first game definitely.  I would have done the Ashley romance on another Shepard, though.  I played ME1 about 15 times and romanced Liara everytime.  If Ash was also available, two of those might have been a romance with her instead of Liara.

[JPfanner]

The first thing that struck me about Liara was her maturity and intellect. I didn't know what to expect from an "asari archaeologist" since all the asari I had seen on the Citadel were strippers in Chora's Den or higher paid versions with the Consort. Then when I saw her in the bubble she seemed pretty calm and collected considering the circumstances. She is very attractive even from the first meeting in the bubble, but she was just naturally so and not because she was presenting herself in an overtly sexualized manner.
Talking to her on the Normandy just reinforced that. She actually seemed like the most self-assured and balanced individual on the ship. I didn't have to pretend like I felt a connection to her too when she asked. She's like an eye of calm in this huge chaotic maelstrom. But not a passive calm, an active calm with the strength to hold against the storm.
I seriously do not get people who say Liara is like a child at all.

Modifié par JPfanner, 05 avril 2010 - 04:46 .

[JPfanner]

justinnstuff wrote...
They only get the child thing from the fact that by Asari standards she's "barely a teenager". It's like saying that no matter what, being a teenager makes you immature. Despite what others may think, not all young people are immature.

Yeah, and that comment is qualified by two circumstances.  She says she's "barely more than a child" by asari standards.  And since Shepard doesn't live for 1000 years it doesn't have any relevance.  It's just like a lot of older humans consider humans in their late teens or early twenties to fall into that designation just by virtue of life experience. 
Liara is 106 years old, has at least one Doctorate, and has been pursuing Prothean archaeology for longer than humanity has even known Protheans existed.  Which ties into the second qualifier, that in her chosen field of Prothean archaeology, which is very much an exclusive insular professional field, someone with 50 years of experience isn't going to be accorded the same respect as someone with 500+ years.  Which is the context in which she brings that line up.
So I just tend to assume that anyone who thinks she is a child didn't pay any attention and doesn't put a lot of thought into things, but has no problem with sharing their misunderstandings with others (annoyingly).  Most of them seem to dislike her to begin with anyway, so they'd latch onto anything not matter the context or qualifiers.

[revan11exile]

Say guys did you notice if Liara is with you on the Asari consort mission Shiala will say something to Shepard and Liara will get mad.

[JPfanner]

@LesEnfantsTerribles

Yep, she never lies to you or tries to trick you.  Never tries to call in favors or anything like that.  If she can't tell you something, then she tells you that she can't.  Everything she does tell you though is the truth.  If she wanted to be dishonest or manipulative it would have been so very easy for her to do that.  Especially considering how gullible and non-confrontational ME2 Shepard is.  You can only do those two missions for her by Shepard asking themselves if there is anything they can do to help her.  It just seems hypocritical to complain about what she needs help with when you're the one who asked if there was anything you could to do to help in the first place.

I think she tries to keep some distance, even from her lover, in that encounter because she already knows what is going to happen in the end. That the Normandy is going to be leaving with Shepard on it, but she is going to still be at her desk