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justinnstuff wrote...

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A Renegade player should ****** everyone else off for helping Cerberus but at least get ridiculous technology.


I agree, the renegade should win with Cerberus and tech. The paragon wins by rallying all sorts of other races under his/her banner. Rachi, the Krogan, the Geth. You helped them all, it's time they help you in return.


I doubt a renegade will get much out of it,but even a renegade will need troops to fight the reaper fleet and Cerberus alone wont provide them thats for sure

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justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

A Renegade player should ****** everyone else off for helping Cerberus but at least get ridiculous technology.


I agree, the renegade should win with Cerberus and tech. The paragon wins by rallying all sorts of other races under his/her banner. Rachi, the Krogan, the Geth. You helped them all, it's time they help you in return.

What if you helped em all except for the rachni?:whistle:


You die.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

A Renegade player should ****** everyone else off for helping Cerberus but at least get ridiculous technology.


I agree, the renegade should win with Cerberus and tech. The paragon wins by rallying all sorts of other races under his/her banner. Rachi, the Krogan, the Geth. You helped them all, it's time they help you in return.

What if you helped em all except for the rachni?:whistle:


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The reason being that alot of ME1 choices don't seem to have much effect now is because they're going to show they're true effects in the finale, ie ME3. You'll finally see a difference if you saved Wrex (a stronger and united krogan army), you'll get different outcomes based upon whether you saved the Citadel Council, and who you chose as councillor. We'll finally see the Rachni army have an effect too. As it stands, we're just being given little pointers and reminders, or seeing these effects start to develop (Wrex strengthening the krogan). Basically, wait until ME3 to see all of our decisions come into effect.

Oh, and two days left to go!! More Liara!!


I hope the consequences of your actions will be more prevalent in ME3. As you said some stuff like Wrex uniting Krogans wouldn't make sense until ME3. Some other stuff I wish had a bigger impact.

Only 48 hours till the BBG returns :wub::wub::wub:

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Noxis6 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

A Renegade player should ****** everyone else off for helping Cerberus but at least get ridiculous technology.


I agree, the renegade should win with Cerberus and tech. The paragon wins by rallying all sorts of other races under his/her banner. Rachi, the Krogan, the Geth. You helped them all, it's time they help you in return.


I doubt a renegade will get much out of it,but even a renegade will need troops to fight the reaper fleet and Cerberus alone wont provide them thats for sure


I'm sure some factions will see the bigger picture and bite the bullet. Still though, I wonder what options the renegade is going to have. You kill or screw over so many things...

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I do love the idea of, at ME3's climax and just as the big battle against the Reapers begins, you have Paragon Shepard leading from the front in the Normandy, with Ash or Kaidan leading the Alliance, Wrex at the head of the krogan army, Legion leading the geth, Tali rallying the quarians together, Anderson or Udina with the Citadel fleet, the Rachni Queen leading the rachni etc.

And of course, at Shepard's side, we have Liara. Ready to fight the Reapers together!

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Somebody1003 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

A Renegade player should ****** everyone else off for helping Cerberus but at least get ridiculous technology.


I agree, the renegade should win with Cerberus and tech. The paragon wins by rallying all sorts of other races under his/her banner. Rachi, the Krogan, the Geth. You helped them all, it's time they help you in return.

What if you helped em all except for the rachni?:whistle:


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Definitely not, I bet that keeping them will bite you in the a** hundereds of years later, and the krogan wont be there to stop them.:whistle:

Modifié par Somebody1003, 05 avril 2010 - 09:34 .


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Definitely not, I bet that keeping them will bite you in the a** hundereds of years later, and the krogan wont be there to stop them.:whistle:


Perhaps you forgot the part in the story where they aren't naturally a violent race, and some 3rd party manipulated them into going to war. My guess is indoctrination or something reaper related.

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The reason being that alot of ME1 choices don't seem to have much effect now is because they're going to show they're true effects in the finale, ie ME3. You'll finally see a difference if you saved Wrex (a stronger and united krogan army), you'll get different outcomes based upon whether you saved the Citadel Council, and who you chose as councillor. We'll finally see the Rachni army have an effect too. As it stands, we're just being given little pointers and reminders, or seeing these effects start to develop (Wrex strengthening the krogan). Basically, wait until ME3 to see all of our decisions come into effect.

Oh, and two days left to go!! More Liara!!



I helped the consort, do I get a little in ME3

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The reason being that alot of ME1 choices don't seem to have much effect now is because they're going to show they're true effects in the finale, ie ME3. You'll finally see a difference if you saved Wrex (a stronger and united krogan army), you'll get different outcomes based upon whether you saved the Citadel Council, and who you chose as councillor. We'll finally see the Rachni army have an effect too. As it stands, we're just being given little pointers and reminders, or seeing these effects start to develop (Wrex strengthening the krogan). Basically, wait until ME3 to see all of our decisions come into effect.

Oh, and two days left to go!! More Liara!!



I helped the consort, do I get a little in ME3


You can get a little in ME1. If you choose the renegade option after her gift of words, there's a cutscene where you make love.

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justinnstuff wrote...

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Definitely not, I bet that keeping them will bite you in the a** hundereds of years later, and the krogan wont be there to stop them.:whistle:


Perhaps you forgot the part in the story where they aren't naturally a violent race, and some 3rd party manipulated them into going to war. My guess is indoctrination or something reaper related.

Im sure of that, that bug would say anything to survive.
Who knows what it will do centuries later.

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justinnstuff wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
Definitely not, I bet that keeping them will bite you in the a** hundereds of years later, and the krogan wont be there to stop them.:whistle:


Perhaps you forgot the part in the story where they aren't naturally a violent race, and some 3rd party manipulated them into going to war. My guess is indoctrination or something reaper related.

Im sure of that, that bug would say anything to survive.
Who knows what it will do centuries later.


That's pure speculation. I'll take my chances and have the Rachni help us defeat the reapers. As Paragon shep, you need all the allies you can get. It's a gamble no matter how you look at it.

Can't be any worse than humans expanding. :blush:

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justinnstuff wrote...

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Im sure of that, that bug would say anything to survive.
Who knows what it will do centuries later.


Can't be any worse than humans expanding. :blush:

Whats so bad about humans expanding?
We're making the Alliance stronger.B)

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justinnstuff wrote...

Cartims wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The reason being that alot of ME1 choices don't seem to have much effect now is because they're going to show they're true effects in the finale, ie ME3. You'll finally see a difference if you saved Wrex (a stronger and united krogan army), you'll get different outcomes based upon whether you saved the Citadel Council, and who you chose as councillor. We'll finally see the Rachni army have an effect too. As it stands, we're just being given little pointers and reminders, or seeing these effects start to develop (Wrex strengthening the krogan). Basically, wait until ME3 to see all of our decisions come into effect.

Oh, and two days left to go!! More Liara!!



I helped the consort, do I get a little in ME3


You can get a little in ME1. If you choose the renegade option after her gift of words, there's a cutscene where you make love.



REPLAY

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I think the problem is that when the player is offered choices, those choices don't branch to consequences. Instead they've been "balanced for fairness" so you can do whatever you want and things then converge in a fashion that lets you continue the story on effectively the same track as everyone else.

I really want Liara to have LI specific dialog, she NEEDS it. Whether someone is your lover or not is actually one of the few choices that does make a difference in your interactions with them. Or at least it should and anyone who imported an LI from ME1 didn't get much recognition of that at all.

I'm not sure saving the base or not is going to make much of a difference in ME3. Everything has to be reduced to the lowest common denominator (should be the tagline for ME2) for that annoying "fairness". Like I'm sure there's another rachni queen out there from a Cerberus experiment or that Wreav will manage to rally the krogan, if not you can just pay them to fight.

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Somebody1003 wrote...
Whats so bad about humans expanding?
We're making the Alliance stronger.B)


Alliance? With the way things played out between ME1 and 2, killing the rachni queen and then still destroying the collector base is a double bad thing. Now you have one less ally, and no tech to replace it with. If you do get the tech, you're putting it into the hands of TIM. I have a renegade character to check it out, but honestly my canon Shep is paragon. It makes too much sense.

EDIT - JP is right on the money. I want them to prove everyone wrong with Liara's upcoming DLC and ME3. Right now though, paragon and renegade are running in parallel, and DLC isn't that great. I want BioWare to make the most epic comeback ever.

Modifié par justinnstuff, 05 avril 2010 - 09:42 .


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I miss my Bluebberrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do love the idea of, at ME3's climax and just as the big battle against the Reapers begins, you have Paragon Shepard leading from the front in the Normandy, with Ash or Kaidan leading the Alliance, Wrex at the head of the krogan army, Legion leading the geth, Tali rallying the quarians together, Anderson or Udina with the Citadel fleet, the Rachni Queen leading the rachni etc.

And of course, at Shepard's side, we have Liara. Ready to fight the Reapers together!


let's see...

Ash/Kaidan - Alliance
Wrex - Krogan
Tali - Quarians
Legion - Geth
Anderson - Citadel (Udina wouldn't lift a finger)
Rachni Queen - Rachni
Chorben - Keepers (every little bit helps)
Aria - Omega/Mercs
Samara - Justiicars

Who else? hell of an army I think

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do love the idea of, at ME3's climax and just as the big battle against the Reapers begins, you have Paragon Shepard leading from the front in the Normandy, with Ash or Kaidan leading the Alliance, Wrex at the head of the krogan army, Legion leading the geth, Tali rallying the quarians together, Anderson or Udina with the Citadel fleet, the Rachni Queen leading the rachni etc.

And of course, at Shepard's side, we have Liara. Ready to fight the Reapers together!


let's see...

Ash/Kaidan - Alliance
Wrex - Krogan
Tali - Quarians
Legion - Geth
Anderson - Citadel (Udina wouldn't lift a finger)
Rachni Queen - Rachni
Chorben - Keepers (every little bit helps)
Aria - Omega/Mercs
Samara - Justiicars

Who else? hell of an army I think


Yup. I'm stoked for my Paragon Shep outcome =]

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justinnstuff wrote...
I'm sure some factions will see the bigger picture and bite the bullet. Still though, I wonder what options the renegade is going to have. You kill or screw over so many things...


Well in theory a renegade should have a harder time,going by pure renegade choices,as far as allys go the rachni are out,the Krogan well not sure,Geth if you sold Legion no idea if they would even want to talk to you,but I guess the question of a Geth war effort will be somewhat tied to the Quarians and there I guess Talis trial might play a role.
As for the council races I doubt we have to convince them all one by one though I could see the other three races more "enthusiastic" to provide troops,in case of the paragon choice,I guess in case of an all human council they might be content with humanity taking the first blow.
Of course some of these things also might depend on what the reapers will do and where they strike first

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I think the problem is that when the player is offered choices, those choices don't branch to consequences. Instead they've been "balanced for fairness" so you can do whatever you want and things then converge in a fashion that lets you continue the story on effectively the same track as everyone else.
I really want Liara to have LI specific dialog, she NEEDS it. Whether someone is your lover or not is actually one of the few choices that does make a difference in your interactions with them. Or at least it should and anyone who imported an LI from ME1 didn't get much recognition of that at all.
I'm not sure saving the base or not is going to make much of a difference in ME3. Everything has to be reduced to the lowest common denominator (should be the tagline for ME2) for that annoying "fairness". Like I'm sure there's another rachni queen out there from a Cerberus experiment or that Wreav will manage to rally the krogan, if not you can just pay them to fight.



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justinnstuff wrote...

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Whats so bad about humans expanding?
We're making the Alliance stronger.B)


Alliance? With the way things played out between ME1 and 2, killing the rachni queen and then still destroying the collector base is a double bad thing. Now you have one less ally, and no tech to replace it with. If you do get the tech, you're putting it into the hands of TIM. I have a renegade character to check it out, but honestly my canon Shep is paragon. It makes too much sense.

EDIT - JP is right on the money. I want them to prove everyone wrong with Liara's upcoming DLC and ME3. Right now though, paragon and renegade are running in parallel, and DLC isn't that great. I want BioWare to make the most epic comeback ever.

I could never give TIM that base, who knows what he would do with it.

But I just dont trust that giant insect. We dont need a race that has been dead for centuries to help us against the reapers.

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Cartims wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Cartims wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The reason being that alot of ME1 choices don't seem to have much effect now is because they're going to show they're true effects in the finale, ie ME3. You'll finally see a difference if you saved Wrex (a stronger and united krogan army), you'll get different outcomes based upon whether you saved the Citadel Council, and who you chose as councillor. We'll finally see the Rachni army have an effect too. As it stands, we're just being given little pointers and reminders, or seeing these effects start to develop (Wrex strengthening the krogan). Basically, wait until ME3 to see all of our decisions come into effect.

Oh, and two days left to go!! More Liara!!



I helped the consort, do I get a little in ME3


You can get a little in ME1. If you choose the renegade option after her gift of words, there's a cutscene where you make love.



REPLAY


Pff, you assume it's lovemaking, you just see them from the neck up cheek to cheek like when she first asks for your help, then cuts to a blue hand in the air..(insert imagination here)

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Somebody1003 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
Whats so bad about humans expanding?
We're making the Alliance stronger.B)


Alliance? With the way things played out between ME1 and 2, killing the rachni queen and then still destroying the collector base is a double bad thing. Now you have one less ally, and no tech to replace it with. If you do get the tech, you're putting it into the hands of TIM. I have a renegade character to check it out, but honestly my canon Shep is paragon. It makes too much sense.

EDIT - JP is right on the money. I want them to prove everyone wrong with Liara's upcoming DLC and ME3. Right now though, paragon and renegade are running in parallel, and DLC isn't that great. I want BioWare to make the most epic comeback ever.

I could never give TIM that base, who knows what he would do with it.

But I just dont trust that giant insect. We dont need a race that has been dead for centuries to help us against the reapers.


All humans are racists!

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Geez, why bother to play, nothing matters. I'm depressed.Image IPB


The story isn't over yet. Keep your import, you don't know what it's going to change in ME3. None of us do. There's no reason to be overly pessimistic or optimistic about it in this case. Only time will tell.