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Modifié par LesEnfantsTerribles, 05 avril 2010 - 11:01 .
screwoffreg wrote...
There wasn't a singular "bad guy" in ME 2. I wonder who will stand out as the Reaper's main agent in ME 3, unless of course we count Harbringer itself.
Guest_Somebody1003_*
Do you think she is still compassionate like that though in ME2?LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
JP, unless you're being facetious, I think it's more due to the fact that Shepard's probing of Saren, and trying to convince him that what he's doing is wrong, allows Saren a brief period of lucidity. That's why he thanks Shepard, because it allows Saren to take his own life, to free himself from Sovereign's manipulation on his own terms. It's giving him back that one last piece of power, of self control, that Saren utilises to ultimately end himself, so that he's free again in death.
It's telling that Liara sympathathises with Saren. Because she is so compassionate, she realises that he is not acting of his own free will, and is completely unaware of the fact that he is being manipulated and controlled through indoctrination. It's very admirable that Liara feels sorry for him for this, and testament to her caring nature.
I'm tempted to vote for Valve. Really tempted. I wouldn't call what Bioware has done to Liara "good work."runescapeguy9 wrote...
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Guest_Somebody1003_*
*sigh*ratzerman wrote...
I'm tempted to vote for Valve. Really tempted. I wouldn't call what Bioware has done to Liara "good work."runescapeguy9 wrote...
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Yeah, Harbinger was ok, but all he did was spout off stuff like a broken record in three different missions. They definitely needed some kind of Virmire scene with him like they did with Sovereign. A perfect chance for that would have been on the Collector ship when you're up on those pillars. There wasn't a personal stake in ME2, no one to strive against. You had "those Collectors" abducting "those colonists".screwoffreg wrote...
There wasn't a singular "bad guy" in ME 2. I wonder who will stand out as the Reaper's main agent in ME 3, unless of course we count Harbringer itself.
Guest_LesEnfantsTerribles_*
Somebody1003 wrote...
Do you think she is still compassionate like that though in ME2?
The one line that really suprised me in ME2 was if you tell Liara that you wont help her locate the observer, and then she says that she will just kill all 5 of the suspects then.
Yeah, I was just kidding with Shepard indoctrinating Saren. I still have contempt for Saren personally, he was never worth anything but a bullet in the head. I totally understand Liara having that kind of reaction to Saren being indoctrinated by Sovereign though. Liara lost her mother to Sovereign's indoctrinationLesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
JP, unless you're being facetious, I think it's more due to the fact that Shepard's probing of Saren, and trying to convince him that what he's doing is wrong, allows Saren a brief period of lucidity. That's why he thanks Shepard, because it allows Saren to take his own life, to free himself from Sovereign's manipulation on his own terms. It's giving him back that one last piece of power, of self control, that Saren utilises to ultimately end himself, so that he's free again in death.
It's telling that Liara sympathathises with Saren. Because she is so compassionate, she realises that he is not acting of his own free will, and is completely unaware of the fact that he is being manipulated and controlled through indoctrination. It's very admirable that Liara feels sorry for him for this, and testament to her caring nature.
Guest_Cartims_*
JPfanner wrote...
I think the novel Redemption is set 20 years before the events of ME1. Saren was a total psychopath before he even got anywhere near Sovereign. He keeps cutting parts off a guy and asking him questions, then keeps at it until the guy dies just to be certain. Then he talks to a woman with third degree burns who is the hospital, gives her a shot to wake up her up from medication she's been put under with. The doctors gave him another shot to put her back under, but he just stands there and watches her go into shock and die so she can't tell anyone else what she told him.Cartims wrote...
Bur he was going to change his mind at the end, but he was over powered by Soverign
So "back to normal" for Saren wasn't really all that hugs and kisses to begin with. He totally screws Anderson over on that Spectre mission, kills several hundred people in the explosion (children included), and all so he alone can find out about the mysterious artifact so he can get revenge for his brother. That is why Saren goes to find Sovereign, he hates humans and he hates the Council for stopping the turians from wiping them out. Now he wants a way to finish the job himself.
It is pretty amusing to talk him into shooting himself. What a chump, no wonder he was such a tool of Sovereign. It is almost as if Shepard can indoctrinate people!
Guest_Somebody1003_*
I felt for Saren a bit though, especially after he kills himself if you use Charm on him at the end in the citadel tower.JPfanner wrote...
Yeah, I was just kidding with Shepard indoctrinating Saren. I still have contempt for Saren personally, he was never worth anything but a bullet in the head. I totally understand Liara having that kind of reaction to Saren being indoctrinated by Sovereign though. Liara lost her mother to Sovereign's indoctrination
Saren's plan was to use the artifact to defy the Council and exterminate humanity. Kind of hard to have much sympathy for him that it went wrong and instead he's just added some more races to his extermination list because of Sovereigns control.
Modifié par Somebody1003, 05 avril 2010 - 11:20 .
Modifié par UFOash, 05 avril 2010 - 11:22 .
Guest_justinnstuff_*
UFOash wrote...
Is the Liara DLC a confirmed thing or just something the community just wants?
Has anyone at Bioware actually mentioned it?
Modifié par justinnstuff, 05 avril 2010 - 11:27 .
Guest_LesEnfantsTerribles_*
UFOash wrote...
Is the Liara DLC a confirmed thing or just something the community just wants?
Has anyone at Bioware actually mentioned it?
Guest_Cartims_*
Somebody1003 wrote...
I felt for Saren a bit though, especially after he kills himself if you use Charm on him at the end in the citadel tower.JPfanner wrote...
Yeah, I was just kidding with Shepard indoctrinating Saren. I still have contempt for Saren personally, he was never worth anything but a bullet in the head. I totally understand Liara having that kind of reaction to Saren being indoctrinated by Sovereign though. Liara lost her mother to Sovereign's indoctrination
Saren's plan was to use the artifact to defy the Council and exterminate humanity. Kind of hard to have much sympathy for him that it went wrong and instead he's just added some more races to his extermination list because of Sovereigns control.
(Or intimidate too I am guessing)
Guest_Shavon_*
Guest_justinnstuff_*
Shavon wrote...
Ah,so there is actual, solid evidence for this! Has anyone hacked any soundbites to see what Liara says, or will this come with the dlc?
justinnstuff wrote...
UFOash wrote...
Is the Liara DLC a confirmed thing or just something the community just wants?
Has anyone at Bioware actually mentioned it?
It's based off of this. The lead-in files are present on an install. Notice Thief and Veteran are there. That was Zaeed and Kasumi. It's just a matter of reading that top entry that says Liara DLC and then you realize what they have planned. Also, the download names show where the DLC starts. Zaeed says OmgHub, which is omega hub. Cithub is The Citadel. Nor = Normandy, which is the crash site DLC.
Guest_justinnstuff_*
UFOash wrote...
justinnstuff wrote...
UFOash wrote...
Is the Liara DLC a confirmed thing or just something the community just wants?
Has anyone at Bioware actually mentioned it?
*snip
It's based off of this. The lead-in files are present on an install. Notice Thief and Veteran are there. That was Zaeed and Kasumi. It's just a matter of reading that top entry that says Liara DLC and then you realize what they have planned. Also, the download names show where the DLC starts. Zaeed says OmgHub, which is omega hub. Cithub is The Citadel. Nor = Normandy, which is the crash site DLC.
So what is twrhub?
Hmm...
Guest_LesEnfantsTerribles_*
Shavon wrote...
Ah,so there is actual, solid evidence for this! Has anyone hacked any soundbites to see what Liara says, or will this come with the dlc?
Guest_Cartims_*
justinnstuff wrote...
UFOash wrote...
Is the Liara DLC a confirmed thing or just something the community just wants?
Has anyone at Bioware actually mentioned it?
It's based off of this. The lead-in files are present on an install. Notice Thief and Veteran are there. That was Zaeed and Kasumi. It's just a matter of reading that top entry that says Liara DLC and then you realize what they have planned. Also, the download names show where the DLC starts. Zaeed says OmgHub, which is omega hub. Cithub is The Citadel. Nor = Normandy, which is the crash site DLC.
Guest_justinnstuff_*
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Shavon wrote...
Ah,so there is actual, solid evidence for this! Has anyone hacked any soundbites to see what Liara says, or will this come with the dlc?
Yep, in addition when Redemption was announced they said it would "tie-in to DLC being produced for ME2." Redemption is Liara's story, so therefore, Liara DLC!
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Guest_LesEnfantsTerribles_*
justinnstuff wrote...
Not sure. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. Also, the Liara DLC lead in file is a different extension than the others. I have no idea what that means either. Her's is an adc file or something, the rest of them are p something.
Guest_justinnstuff_*
Cartims wrote...
justinnstuff wrote...
UFOash wrote...
Is the Liara DLC a confirmed thing or just something the community just wants?
Has anyone at Bioware actually mentioned it?
*snip
It's based off of this. The lead-in files are present on an install. Notice Thief and Veteran are there. That was Zaeed and Kasumi. It's just a matter of reading that top entry that says Liara DLC and then you realize what they have planned. Also, the download names show where the DLC starts. Zaeed says OmgHub, which is omega hub. Cithub is The Citadel. Nor = Normandy, which is the crash site DLC.
So where is Liara's mission taken place?
Actually the book with Saren in it is Revelations. I kept saying Redemption because I keep thinking of Redemption coming out soon.Cartims wrote...
I should stop playing games and read
Guest_justinnstuff_*
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
justinnstuff wrote...
Not sure. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. Also, the Liara DLC lead in file is a different extension than the others. I have no idea what that means either. Her's is an adc file or something, the rest of them are p something.
twrhub is the file name for Illium, where Liara is located obviously! Look at Zaeed and Kasumi's DLC files, they both have Omega hub and Citadel hub respectively, which is where you recruit them.
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