yes, but it would be nice for us as the players to see the memories that Shep has of Liara. :-)
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#13452
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:03
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rynluna wrote...
I wish Shepard had a greybox with lots of Liara memories.
Always thought the picture in your cabin should have been clickable to trigger such memories, but...
#13453
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:04
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It would of been nice, I agree, maybe if you could click on the photo in your cabin, and remember things, like you do at the Normandy crash site.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:29
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Just visited Liara on Illium. After I ask her if she would come with me on my mission she then goes on about how she can't because of her commitments. After she asks me if I want to hack for her, I decided to go with the renegade option and tell her I didn't have time for hacking. She then says this as she slams her hand on the desk:
"You asked dammit! I didn't come begging for favors not even when..[she pauses] I'm sorry. You're right. Do what you have to do, Shepard. I'll help you however you can."
This surprised the crap out of me! I've never gone with that option because let's face it, I doubt any of us can deny her.
"You asked dammit! I didn't come begging for favors not even when..[she pauses] I'm sorry. You're right. Do what you have to do, Shepard. I'll help you however you can."
This surprised the crap out of me! I've never gone with that option because let's face it, I doubt any of us can deny her.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:34
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rynluna wrote...
Just visited Liara on Illium. After I ask her if she would come with me on my mission she then goes on about how she can't because of her commitments. After she asks me if I want to hack for her, I decided to go with the renegade option and tell her I didn't have time for hacking. She then says this as she slams her hand on the desk:
"You asked dammit! I didn't come begging for favors not even when..[she pauses] I'm sorry. You're right. Do what you have to do, Shepard. I'll help you however you can."
This surprised the crap out of me! I've never gone with that option because let's face it, I doubt any of us can deny her.
OMG she does that? I don't ever want to see her to do that! Yeah I can't deny her either. Even my super Renegade Shep didn't choose that option (plus we get Renegade points for hacking for her anyway?). The only Renegade option I chose was "You did this to me!" when she said she gave my body to Cerberus. She doesn't get angry, just "I had to make a choice, it was either Cerberus, or the Collectors. I'm sorry, I had to make the right choice."
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:35
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Yeah, it really makes me all sad that they put in options like that to hurt her but none to comfort or support her. She does everything for you and the most you can do for her in return is sit there like a freaking toad.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:35
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rynluna wrote...
Just visited Liara on Illium. After I ask her if she would come with me on my mission she then goes on about how she can't because of her commitments. After she asks me if I want to hack for her, I decided to go with the renegade option and tell her I didn't have time for hacking. She then says this as she slams her hand on the desk:
"You asked dammit! I didn't come begging for favors not even when..[she pauses] I'm sorry. You're right. Do what you have to do, Shepard. I'll help you however you can."
This surprised the crap out of me! I've never gone with that option because let's face it, I doubt any of us can deny her.
Did you romance her with this character in ME1?
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:37
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I'm trying to figure out what is ment by her comment "I didn't come begging for favors not even when" what could she have said there?
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:38
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JPfanner wrote...
Yeah, it really makes me all sad that they put in options like that to hurt her but none to comfort or support her. She does everything for you and the most you can do for her in return is sit there like a freaking toad.
true that. <_<
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:39
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Unata wrote...
Did you romance her with this character in ME1?
Yep, that's my main Shep. I just did it out of curiosity and then reloaded cause I felt so bad.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:41
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I'm trying to figure out what is ment by her comment "I didn't come begging for favors not even when" what could she have said there?
It has me wondering too.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:44
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rynluna wrote...
Unata wrote...
I'm trying to figure out what is ment by her comment "I didn't come begging for favors not even when" what could she have said there?
It has me wondering too.
I don't get the reference
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:47
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I was wondering that as well. It doesn't really make any sense to bring it up unless Shepard would be the one she would be coming to. But Shepard was dead and lying around on a slab for two years. I know some time passes between waking up on that base and getting on the Normandy, but I don't think it is a lot.Unata wrote...
I'm trying to figure out what is ment by her comment "I didn't come begging for favors not even when" what could she have said there?
Maybe she's referring to when she first hears that you're alive again, like how it travels ahead of you when you go to Omega. You definitely owe her, but she never tries to get anything out of you for that. She might just be getting mad and starting to saying something like most people would have hunted you down right away and tried to get something out of you for doing even a fraction of what she did.
She's willing to help you find Thane and Samara right away, no questions asked. Then when you ask her if there is anything you can do for her and she tells you what she needs help with, then you turn around and moan about it, that probably just (rightly) gets on her nerves what a jerk you're being. But she is good person, and a better person than that jerk Shepard sitting in front of her, so she reins in her temper and still tries to help Shepard.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:55
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Gee wiz, that has me baffled to no end, nothing I can think of makes any sense at all
#13466
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:59
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You would have had to been alive at some point in those two years, long enough for her to be a begging for anything, not that she needed to, Hell she can have anything all of my Sheps own
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 06:59
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Maybe something like:
"You asked dammit! I didn't come begging for favors not even when I heard you were alive again and I'm in this position because of what I did to help you so that you weren't sold to the Collectors."
"You asked dammit! I didn't come begging for favors not even when I heard you were alive again and I'm in this position because of what I did to help you so that you weren't sold to the Collectors."
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:03
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Hmm, could it possibly be that Liara is about to refer to her saving Shepard's body from the Collectors, and handing the corpse over to Cerberus? "I didn't come begging for favours, not even when I saved your life". But she obviously stops herself as she doesn't want Shepard to know, because as we all know Liara is afraid Shepard will hate her. Could you imagine how Liara's heart would have almost been in her mouth when she realises just what she was about to say? It's why her anger at Shep being a jerk to her dissipates so quickly. It's fear.
I've always thought that Liara's anger when Shep acts a jerk to her, and ridicules and belittles her hunt for the Shadow Broker out of her own ignorance, is more frustration at herself for not feeling able to reveal to Shepard just what has happened with Cerberus, the Collectors and Shepard's corpse. She probably knows that she appears obsessed with a petty vendetta, and truly wants to tell the person that she loves most about what happened so that Shepard understands her, but she's just too afraid that Shep will hate her, and she's too guilty. So when Shepard chastises her for her hunt for the Shadow Broker out of her own ignorance of Liara's situation, Liara gets frustrated with herself that she can't properly tell the person shes loves just what has happened due to her guilt.
Bottom line is, at no point do I ever see Liara get genuinely angry or irritated at Shepard. It's frustration at herself.
I've always thought that Liara's anger when Shep acts a jerk to her, and ridicules and belittles her hunt for the Shadow Broker out of her own ignorance, is more frustration at herself for not feeling able to reveal to Shepard just what has happened with Cerberus, the Collectors and Shepard's corpse. She probably knows that she appears obsessed with a petty vendetta, and truly wants to tell the person that she loves most about what happened so that Shepard understands her, but she's just too afraid that Shep will hate her, and she's too guilty. So when Shepard chastises her for her hunt for the Shadow Broker out of her own ignorance of Liara's situation, Liara gets frustrated with herself that she can't properly tell the person shes loves just what has happened due to her guilt.
Bottom line is, at no point do I ever see Liara get genuinely angry or irritated at Shepard. It's frustration at herself.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:07
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Hmm, could it possibly be that Liara is about to refer to her saving Shepard's body from the Collectors, and handing the corpse over to Cerberus? "I didn't come begging for favours, not even when I saved your life". But she obviously stops herself as she doesn't want Shepard to know, because as we all know Liara is afraid Shepard will hate her. Could you imagine how Liara's heart would have almost been in her mouth when she realises just what she was about to say? It's why her anger at Shep being a jerk to her dissipates so quickly. It's fear.
I've always thought that Liara's anger when Shep acts a jerk to her, and ridicules and belittles her hunt for the Shadow Broker out of her own ignorance, is more frustration at herself for not feeling able to reveal to Shepard just what has happened with Cerberus, the Collectors and Shepard's corpse. She probably knows that she appears obsessed with a petty vendetta, and truly wants to tell the person that she loves most about what happened so that Shepard understands her, but she's just too afraid that Shep will hate her, and she's too guilty. So when Shepard chastises her for her hunt for the Shadow Broker out of her own ignorance of Liara's situation, Liara gets frustrated with herself that she can't properly tell the person shes loves just what has happened due to her guilt.
Bottom line is, at no point do I ever see Liara get genuinely angry or irritated at Shepard. It's frustration at herself.
Well said. <3
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:07
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I don't think she's angry at Shepard, she's angry at not being able to say anything. Afraid of what will happen if she does, etc.
Really though, once her apology is out in the open there needs to be a more conversation options with her where you can actually TALK about what she did. It feels really artificial to exclude that - it's way too obvious they are trying to hold it back and keep the player in the dark (or have stuff to talk about in DLC or ME3).
It makes the conversation feel completely unnatural though.
Really though, once her apology is out in the open there needs to be a more conversation options with her where you can actually TALK about what she did. It feels really artificial to exclude that - it's way too obvious they are trying to hold it back and keep the player in the dark (or have stuff to talk about in DLC or ME3).
It makes the conversation feel completely unnatural though.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:09
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JPfanner wrote...
Maybe something like:
"You asked dammit! I didn't come begging for favors not even when I heard you were alive again and I'm in this position because of what I did to help you so that you weren't sold to the Collectors."
Ok, maybe that's it, I suppose there would have been alot of time from getting first 4 squaddies and the next group where Ilium pops up on the map, but dang, these two REALLY need a heart to heart, to much crap being assumed and second guessed.
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:11
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Driveninhifi wrote...
I don't think she's angry at Shepard, she's angry at not being able to say anything. Afraid of what will happen if she does, etc.
Really though, once her apology is out in the open there needs to be a more conversation options with her where you can actually TALK about what she did. It feels really artificial to exclude that - it's way too obvious they are trying to hold it back and keep the player in the dark (or have stuff to talk about in DLC or ME3).
It makes the conversation feel completely unnatural though.
Totally agree here, bring your bat, cue stick, broom stick, whatever and let's go to BW and beat it outa them.
#13473
Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:18
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Hello fellow Liara fans! 
Damn if i'm on here the thread develops slower and whenever i go to sleep and come back there are like 20 new pages. Damn timezones...
That would have been so great... *dream*
This page needs a pic: (from LDs Gallery)
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Damn if i'm on here the thread develops slower and whenever i go to sleep and come back there are like 20 new pages. Damn timezones...
scmadsen wrote...
It would of been nice, I agree, maybe if you could click on the photo in your cabin, and remember things, like you do at the Normandy crash site.
That would have been so great... *dream*
This page needs a pic: (from LDs Gallery)
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Modifié par Derumiel, 07 avril 2010 - 07:19 .
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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:20
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Driveninhifi wrote...
I don't think she's angry at Shepard, she's angry at not being able to say anything. Afraid of what will happen if she does, etc.
Really though, once her apology is out in the open there needs to be a more conversation options with her where you can actually TALK about what she did. It feels really artificial to exclude that - it's way too obvious they are trying to hold it back and keep the player in the dark (or have stuff to talk about in DLC or ME3).
It makes the conversation feel completely unnatural though.
Driven what I've always thought is that they deliberately prevent Shepard from properly comforting Liara, or bringing up the relationship at all because they want to maintain the status quo for the benefit of the Liara DLC. They need for Liara to still be emotionally tormented, guilty and sorrowful for her DLC mission because that's where they want Shep to finally have the ability to comfort and console Liara, and help ease her pain. They also want to have the proper romantic reconciliation and rekindling happen in the DLC mission too. Due to this, they have to maintain the status quo of "Liara is haunted by her guilt and is emotionally tormented from what happened, and Shepard is unsure of their relationship". It's an incredibly contrived way of doing it, and smacks of ****** poor writing, but that's what they've had to do in order to avoid spoiling Redemption and to maintain the status quo for the DLC.
They threw in the scene where Liara opens up to Shepard to make it obvious that Liara still cares for, is devoted to and loves Shepard deeply, and they articificially stop you from comforting her because they want that to happen in the Liara DLC.
