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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:31

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EA happened


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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:32

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darknoon5 wrote...

If everybody here is annnoyed enough by one character being misinterpreted to refuse to buy any more ME content, then they're not a real fan. Believe it or not, the game does not revolve around Liara...


If the rest of ME2 story didn't suck as well, I'd agree with you.

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jlb524 wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

If everybody here is annnoyed enough by one character being misinterpreted to refuse to buy any more ME content, then they're not a real fan. Believe it or not, the game does not revolve around Liara...


If the rest of ME2 story didn't suck as well, I'd agree with you.


What, you didn't like Jacob?

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:33

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Driveninhifi wrote...

Whelp, the comic really wasn't good. They took 4 issues to explain something that would have been done in one and not lost anything. Not to mention it's pretty obvious the scripter hadn't played ME1 and half of what she says in ME2 isn't consistent with the comic.

Plus it's been two years, Feron is totally dead.

Really, all her actions feel like they were driven by the designers keeping her on Illium than by the actual character and that's very unfortunate.


Ahhhh, finally someone gets it.  Sorry to tell you, but that is the way comis are written these days.  Stories that could be told in one or two books are stretched out into 4 and 6 books because they can then be made into trade paperbacks and sold at B&N, Borders and Amazon.  btw, the trade of Redemption is coming out in July.  Order yours today!  :P

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:34

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Guess I'm going to have to wait until the DLC to see if what I believe about Liara's motives, and her thoughts really are true.



le sigh

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JamieCOTC wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Whelp, the comic really wasn't good. They took 4 issues to explain something that would have been done in one and not lost anything. Not to mention it's pretty obvious the scripter hadn't played ME1 and half of what she says in ME2 isn't consistent with the comic.

Plus it's been two years, Feron is totally dead.

Really, all her actions feel like they were driven by the designers keeping her on Illium than by the actual character and that's very unfortunate.


Ahhhh, finally someone gets it.  Sorry to tell you, but that is the way comis are written these days.  Stories that could be told in one or two books are stretched out into 4 and 6 books because they can then be made into trade paperbacks and sold at B&N, Borders and Amazon.  btw, the trade of Redemption is coming out in July.  Order yours today!  :P


Much in the same way ME was built as a trilogy from the start. I miss the old days when a good story was just that. A good story. No milking.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:37

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idk what's going on i keep loosing network this week:(((

anyway i have to go, cya all tomorrow [without any more net troubles i hope], and have a great night:)

something for a goodbye:

Image IPB

*Liara angry at my ISP for breaking my net connections this week*

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P.S.

i've finished Kasumi DLC-boring just shootin:(

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:37

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justinnstuff wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Whelp, the comic really wasn't good. They took 4 issues to explain something that would have been done in one and not lost anything. Not to mention it's pretty obvious the scripter hadn't played ME1 and half of what she says in ME2 isn't consistent with the comic.

Plus it's been two years, Feron is totally dead.

Really, all her actions feel like they were driven by the designers keeping her on Illium than by the actual character and that's very unfortunate.


Ahhhh, finally someone gets it.  Sorry to tell you, but that is the way comis are written these days.  Stories that could be told in one or two books are stretched out into 4 and 6 books because they can then be made into trade paperbacks and sold at B&N, Borders and Amazon.  btw, the trade of Redemption is coming out in July.  Order yours today!  :P


Much in the same way ME was built as a trilogy from the start. I miss the old days when a good story was just that. A good story. No milking.


Ha Ha , you're precious, u miss the old days.Image IPB

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:39

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Marcin R wrote...

idk what's going on i keep loosing network this week:(((
anyway i have to go, cya all tomorrow [without any more net troubles i hope], and have a great night:)
something for a goodbye:
*snip
*Liara angry at my ISP for breaking my net connections this week*
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P.S.
i've finished Kasumi DLC-boring just shootin:(


Really? There was a ton of dialogue in this DLC. The first half of her loyalty mission was pure awesome. It's the only thing giving me hope for the Liara DLC.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:39

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Well the comic ended a bit stupider than I was expecting but it doesn't change anything for me. It doesn't change what she said or did in ME1 and if I have to pick between her kiss and dialog on Illium or the comic, then I'm going to go with what is presented in the game.

I'd take what Liara says to Shepard as the truth over what she says to Miranda two years ago.

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Ha Ha , you're precious, u miss the old days.Image IPB


Haha, yeah I guess I'm a bit young to be using that figure of speech. :)

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:48

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JPfanner wrote...

Well the comic ended a bit stupider than I was expecting but it doesn't change anything for me. It doesn't change what she said or did in ME1 and if I have to pick between her kiss and dialog on Illium or the comic, then I'm going to go with what is presented in the game.
I'd take what Liara says to Shepard as the truth over what she says to Miranda two years ago.


JP, what did you think of the line Liara says to Feron, namely "Words aren't the only things that speak the truth." This seems to be the line that I think has got alot of people's panties in a twist. It's fairly simple though, in the context with which it's said, Liara is saying to him "Actions speak louder than words" with regards to him trying to convince her that he did genuinely want to save Shepard.

Also, how freaking stupid is it that Liara doesn't mention all of her motives for taking down the Shadow Broker at the end of Redemption? Her guilt, her sorrow for what has happened to Shepard. Why isn't the body handover presented in the comic how it is in ME2, that Liara feels deeply guilty for doing it, but can't stop herself as she couldn't let Shepard go? Why isn't it presented as a deeply troubling and guilt-inducing decision for Liara? Why don't we see the beginning of her guilt for handing over Shepard's corpse, and her fear Shep will hate her?

It's a total mess.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:49

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Well, I thought I would be cast out for my avatar, but it looks like TIM isn't looking nearly as bad these days. He really left Liara alone to her own devices...

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:49

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*Using Chorban voice*...



"Comic?, what comic?, i don't known anything about comic..." ^^



As much as i am el darko pessimisto Lili fan i will give Bioware ONE more chance for true REDEMPTION whit really well done DLC regarded Lili's and Shep relationship... heck i don't care for title of this DLC (he can be even " The Sheeps (anyone remember game called Sheeps?) Strikes Back DLC") as long as at the end Lili and Shepard will go back together to Captains cabin on Normandy.... END OF THE STORY.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 07:51

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Well, I thought I would be cast out for my avatar, but it looks like TIM isn't looking nearly as bad these days. He really left Liara alone to her own devices...


I still might do my pedo smile Shepard picture. I just don't want too much fallout from this thread. I think you worried too much about the TIM avatar. We don't trust him, but we're way more rabid over other things.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:02

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
JP, what did you think of the line Liara says to Feron, namely "Words aren't the only things that speak the truth." This seems to be the line that I think has got alot of people's panties in a twist. It's fairly simple though, in the context with which it's said, Liara is saying to him "Actions speak louder than words" with regards to him trying to convince her that he did genuinely want to save Shepard.

Also, how freaking stupid is it that Liara doesn't mention all of her motives for taking down the Shadow Broker at the end of Redemption? Her guilt, her sorrow for what has happened to Shepard. Why isn't the body handover presented in the comic how it is in ME2, that Liara feels deeply guilty for doing it, but can't stop herself as she couldn't let Shepard go? Why isn't it presented as a deeply troubling and guilt-inducing decision for Liara? Why don't we see the beginning of her guilt for handing over Shepard's corpse, and her fear Shep will hate her?

It's a total mess.

I think she means exactly what you said she does.  Actually kind of confused why anyone would think it means anything else really.  Feron has been constantly lying about who he works for, but yet he's been there the whole time and it is only with his help that they talked to Aria, were able to follow Tazzik, able to get into the base, etc.

It is stupid that she doesn't go into more detail for our benefit.  But it is a comic and the emphasis is on biotic kicks and exaggerated facial expressions, so I think that exposition is just a victim of the medium.  It isn't just the final issue, look at all of them and it is actually pretty consistent in that regard.  I really do not think you can compare the dialog in the comic to what it is said in the game.  They're just two very different mediums.  All that angsty stuff isn't as cool as biotically punching three people at once like dominoes.

I think what you said last night about Liara kissing Shepard was so very true.  A display of affection like that means EVERYTHING to Liara.  She kisses you on Illium.  Bioware just has her not leaving that desk no matter what.  And they handled that by omission rather than exposition.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:13

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JPfanner wrote...

I think what you said last night about Liara kissing Shepard was so very true.  A display of affection like that means EVERYTHING to Liara.  She kisses you on Illium.  Bioware just has her not leaving that desk no matter what.  And they handled that by omission rather than exposition.


Yep, you really do have to go back to everything Liara says in ME1 to understand it. About how Liara only shows any kind of physical intimacy and affection when she's completely comfortable with herself, Shepard, and the trust and love between them, as well as being completely content and happy. As I said, she pulls away from the kiss in ME2 because of her fear that Shep will hate her, the fact that she's completely emotionally tormented, and she isn't comfortable with herself through her guilt. The fact that she kisses Shepard anyway, albeit awkwardly, is testament to how much she loves and adores Shepard.

Also, people also forget what Liara tells Shepard about the asari union in ME1, and how much it means to her and how deep and spiritual it is to her, and requires complete trust and love between the two participants. It shows how much it means to her, and how she loves and trusts Shepard completely. That kind of intimate affection, devotion and love doesn't just disappear, especially when said love led to Liara hunting down Shepard's dead body.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:19

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Part of me wants Liara to be in love with Feron, because then her character would have a legit reason for ignoring the Reaper/Collector threat and blindly going off on a wild-goose hunt for this guy. People do silly things when they're in love. Awww, how romantic!



Take this away and what are Liara's motivations for not caring about the Reapers? I don't know.

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:25

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jlb524 wrote...

Part of me wants Liara to be in love with Feron, because then her character would have a legit reason for ignoring the Reaper/Collector threat and blindly going off on a wild-goose hunt for this guy. People do silly things when they're in love. Awww, how romantic!

Take this away and what are Liara's motivations for not caring about the Reapers? I don't know.


I quite agree jlb...it's all about motivation, and from the point of view of the writing this is what makes the most sense. Even though I hate the thought :sick:

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:27

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When's Liara getting a third thread? Damn those Talimancers already have like seven 4th thread. We're behind... any ideas how to catch up?

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GreedIsNoException wrote...

When's Liara getting a third thread? Damn those Talimancers already have like seven 4th thread. We're behind... any ideas how to catch up?


Catch up to the Talimob? I don't think that's entirely possible :P

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:28

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jlb524 wrote...

Part of me wants Liara to be in love with Feron, because then her character would have a legit reason for ignoring the Reaper/Collector threat and blindly going off on a wild-goose hunt for this guy. People do silly things when they're in love. Awww, how romantic!

Take this away and what are Liara's motivations for not caring about the Reapers? I don't know.


I wonder how you feel when you leave someone who is just a dead body, and in two years they come in your office, like wtf, i'm here kiss me.

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Cartims wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Part of me wants Liara to be in love with Feron, because then her character would have a legit reason for ignoring the Reaper/Collector threat and blindly going off on a wild-goose hunt for this guy. People do silly things when they're in love. Awww, how romantic!

Take this away and what are Liara's motivations for not caring about the Reapers? I don't know.


I wonder how you feel when you leave someone who is just a dead body, and in two years they come in your office, like wtf, i'm here kiss me.


That's what makes this situation so different from a normal reunion after such a long time away. To Shepard, it hasn't been 2 years. It's so much more real and fresh in memory.

Modifié par justinnstuff, 07 avril 2010 - 08:31 .

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:30

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I had a bad feeling the moment I heard about Bioware teaming up with EA.  I have been severely disappointed in the decisions that have been made.  Not to mention, feeling like a second class citizen in regards to them saying all those hurtful and idiotic things regarding s/s romances the other day.  :pinched:  Also, they basically just vomited words onto the comic and voila, we have our big reveal.  *eyeroll

Despite all of this bull****, I am not one to give up.  I am first and foremost a fan of Commander Shepard and the only way they would get me to not buy their game is if they replaced the Commander, herself.  I also am looking forward to what happens in Mass Effect 3 as they have promised us that the relationship with Liara will continue.  Now if they completely throw that out the window, we actually have grounds to sue?  Don't we? lol, maybe I shouldn't give anyone any ideas but honestly, they can't be that stupid to just scrap the relationship away when it has already been promised to us.

I'm still a loyal Liara fan/Commander Shepard fan. <3

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Posté 07 avril 2010 - 08:31

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Cartims wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Part of me wants Liara to be in love with Feron, because then her character would have a legit reason for ignoring the Reaper/Collector threat and blindly going off on a wild-goose hunt for this guy. People do silly things when they're in love. Awww, how romantic!

Take this away and what are Liara's motivations for not caring about the Reapers? I don't know.


I wonder how you feel when you leave someone who is just a dead body, and in two years they come in your office, like wtf, i'm here kiss me.


I would be like, 'Aaaah!  Zombie!!  Where's my shotgun?!!!!'

I'd feel confused, I guess.
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